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ElonJet Is Now Suspended

1417 pointsby ffsoftboiledover 2 years ago

121 comments

perihelionsover 2 years ago
He&#x27;s also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering (&quot;VF&quot;)).<p>- <i>&quot;A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonjet immediately.&quot;</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedailybeast.com&#x2F;twitter-account-following-elon-musks-private-jet-gets-shadow-banned" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedailybeast.com&#x2F;twitter-account-following-elon...</a> (<i>&quot;Twitter Account Tracking Elon Musk’s Private Jet Gets Shadow Banned&quot;</i>)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;JxckSweeney&#x2F;status&#x2F;1601793881355739143" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;JxckSweeney&#x2F;status&#x2F;1601793881355739143</a>
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electrondoodover 2 years ago
I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech.<p>Basically, his entire tenure so far has been &quot;free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!&quot; in public, and then &quot;we&#x27;ll deboost anyone who doesn&#x27;t pay me a subscription&quot; and &quot;let&#x27;s selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy.&quot;
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dansoover 2 years ago
Coincidentally, the @TweetTweaker account — which AFAIK was the first to call wide attention [0] to Elon buying up twitter shares right after his $5k offer to @ElonJet was rebuffed — is currently suspended. Its last public interaction was around Nov 6, 2022 [1]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.vn&#x2F;WLXQJ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.vn&#x2F;WLXQJ</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GreatPaul_Smith&#x2F;status&#x2F;1589424137864609793" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GreatPaul_Smith&#x2F;status&#x2F;15894241378646097...</a>
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alarmingfoxover 2 years ago
Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech.<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1589414958508691456" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1589414958508691456</a>
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DHPersonalover 2 years ago
I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.
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ancapsfascistsover 2 years ago
Good to see I&#x27;m vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.
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sabootover 2 years ago
It&#x27;s pretty clear Elon wants everyone that has insulted or crossed him or otherwise proven him wrong to suffer some consequence to alleviate his bruised ego. Fauci, ElonJet, and more<p>Think I&#x27;m wrong? Let&#x27;s see if he&#x27;ll go after Jack Dorsey in the future for recently correcting him on going after CSAM.
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jszymborskiover 2 years ago
When the Elon&#x2F;Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, &quot;freer&quot; Twitter.<p>When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happening moments before the deal went through and some justifications about Babylon Bee not having done anything wrong, etc...<p>I will reiterate here again. Musk will squeeze every bit of perceived power he may have out of Twitter by issuing personal favours like the petty, tin-pot tyrant that he is.
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alangibsonover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m really embarrassed to have once been a Musk fanman (strictly as a space nerd). I know I shouldn&#x27;t be, but I&#x27;m shocked at how much of a mendacious cretin he turned out to be.<p>He, SBF, and many more like them are just a bunch of Chauncy Gardeners. People convince themselves that they&#x27;re geniuses until one day the realization dawns that they&#x27;ve been dunces all along.
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ndsipa_pomuover 2 years ago
Looks like he&#x27;s sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;12&#x2F;13&#x2F;technology&#x2F;elon-musk-twitter-shakeup.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;12&#x2F;13&#x2F;technology&#x2F;elon-musk-twit...</a>
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rrmmover 2 years ago
Surely, this will be addressed in the next installment of the &quot;Twitter Files&quot;. &#x2F;s
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jjwisemanover 2 years ago
The jxcksweeney personal account[0] is now suspended, along with the Russian oligarch tracking account[1], the NASA aircraft tracking account(!)[2], @GatesJets, @ZuccJet, and @USAirForceVIP.<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jxcksweeney" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jxcksweeney</a> 1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;RUOligarchJets" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;RUOligarchJets</a> 2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;NASAPlanes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;NASAPlanes</a>
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jupp0rover 2 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.twitter.com&#x2F;GatesJets" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.twitter.com&#x2F;GatesJets</a> is still up, maybe this is about Elon after all?
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simple10over 2 years ago
I&#x27;m curious how they&#x27;re internally spinning the justification. It doesn&#x27;t seem to be a violation of Twitter&#x27;s Automation Rules [1] but ostensibly could be a violation of their harassment rule [2]. It&#x27;s a bit of a stretch. The litmus test will be if&#x2F;when the internal comms get released as part of the Twitter Files. I won&#x27;t hold my breath.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.twitter.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;rules-and-policies&#x2F;twitter-automation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.twitter.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;rules-and-policies&#x2F;twitter-autom...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.twitter.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;rules-and-policies&#x2F;twitter-rules" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.twitter.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;rules-and-policies&#x2F;twitter-rules</a>
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NelsonMinarover 2 years ago
ElonJet has a website with links to still available versions of the data here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grndcntrl.net&#x2F;links&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grndcntrl.net&#x2F;links&#x2F;</a>
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Balgairover 2 years ago
Here&#x27;s the ADSBExchange info for his jet, in case you still needed to know that:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;globe.adsbexchange.com&#x2F;?icao=a835af" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;globe.adsbexchange.com&#x2F;?icao=a835af</a><p>Currently on the ground in Texas after flying out of LA.
gxonover 2 years ago
These paper hands, they fold...<p>&gt; My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1589414958508691456" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1589414958508691456</a>
wabysabiover 2 years ago
There are so many smart, influencial people on HN. Time to get off Twitter. I quit after 14 years of daily use. Make your voice (not) heard.
GeckoEidechseover 2 years ago
Seems like there&#x27;s a now an account for it on Mastodon<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet</a>
LinuxBenderover 2 years ago
Elon is probably multitasking too much to realize he could have left the account up and just traded-up the plane to a newer model and used a different company or legal entity to acquire the old plane. Form an LLC <i>Elon&#x27;s Musk...</i> Surely he must have a wealthy friend that could buy the plane just to troll people with all the unusual places they could land. I think my first stop would be a private air-strip just outside Area 51. The FAA registration would eventually update but their paperwork is slow thus there would be some lag time.
nimbiusover 2 years ago
at the risk of a downvote or three, this is a crackling log in the dumpster fire of twitter.<p>major brands and advertisers jumped ship a month or two ago and very few have returned to see how elons checkmark 2.0, sink-dragging, maximum-hard-work &quot;meet me on the tenth floor&quot; late-on-the-rent leadership have panned out.<p>by all accounts, if your brand is safely evacuated from twitter, @elonjet is proof you probably dodged a bullet or two and should get some recognition by EOY for your efforts.
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andrewclunnover 2 years ago
3 possibilities:<p>1) Elon is trying to position himself as being &quot;pro free speech&quot; in the same way Jack Dorsey did (it&#x27;s just marketing, and not a truly held principle).<p>2) Somebody in the organization is making decisions that Elon will reverse in the next 24 hours to prove that they did not come from him.<p>3) Some specific threat has been made against Elon that has him now paranoid about his security to the extent that he&#x27;s rethinking his principles when faced with his own mortality.<p>The difference between 1 and 3 being whether he never had principles or is now giving them up. I&#x27;m guessing it&#x27;s 3 because I&#x27;ve seen SO MANY public figures I once respected do the exact same thing once the danger of standing on principle became all too palpable.
anshumankmrover 2 years ago
Someone posted a meme before Elon completed the purchase (or maybe shortly after) about how this account would be nuked from orbit. I thought something so transparently hypocritical would not happen but here we are.
akiselevover 2 years ago
Free speech for me but not for thee. Anyone with an ounce of sense saw this coming.<p>This is public flight data reposted to a public channel. Musk now owns one of the biggest platforms on the internet so I’d argue that not only is the information already public but now <i>in the public interest.</i>
schappimover 2 years ago
Why is this already off the front page after only a few hours, and 1321 points. Are Twitter links automagically weighted down?
anigbrowlover 2 years ago
This is certainly a contentious debate that&#x27;s more of a flamewar than a discussion, but I do not appreciate the HN approach of simply &#x27;disappearing&#x27; threads <i>without warning</i> and the resultant waste of time in trying to figure out where they went.<p>Ironically, still easily accessible via the &#x27;best&#x27; list: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;best" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;best</a><p>Dang, you can skip the anodyne PR statement.
masukomiover 2 years ago
ElonJet has, unsurprisingly, set up an account on Mastodon:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet</a>
doenerover 2 years ago
The account on Mastodon: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet</a>
nothrowawaysover 2 years ago
Ella: &quot;hey sister guess where I am, I&#x27;m flying with Elon!&quot;<p>Sister: &quot;oh yeah you are in (lat, lon)?, I saw it on elonjet&quot;<p>Ella opens slack,<p>Ella Irwin: &quot; team apply heavy VF on elonjet &quot;
renewiltordover 2 years ago
HN has an outrage problem. It&#x27;s not new. It goes back to the &quot;vote for funding&quot; thing that Moxie won. And it continues with this week&#x27;s &quot;Google upped my renewal fee&quot; ragebait. And before that it was some claim that one of the FAANGs was exfiltrating network traffic surreptitiously (enthusiastically corroborated by HNers) until discovered to be false.<p>In recent memory, the only time the outrage was justified in hindsight was when ICANN had that issue with .org domains. The rest of the time it has seemed to me that the comments come up with 2 min hate and then emerging facts turn out to be different.<p>My priors are, therefore, quite high that the outrage is usually unjustified. The boy cried wolf too much.
gaoshanover 2 years ago
The way he behaves is so similar to other super powerful people who know they will not be held accountable. In China Xi Jinping has been carrying out a long running &quot;anti-corruption&quot; campaign and while he does indeed crack down on corruption it also tends to be mostly people that oppose him that get cracked down upon. Elon is doing something similar here by using his power to crack down on someone that &quot;opposes&quot; him while leaving others, conveniently aligned with his interests, untouched. I&#x27;m sure we can find examples of this sort of utilitarian hypocrisy everywhere... it highlights the benefits of effective checks and balances on power.
neuronexmachinaover 2 years ago
(Flagged) HN thread from when the ElonJet account was allegedly shadowbanned a couple days ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33957682" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33957682</a>
andreygrehovover 2 years ago
It is possible that Twitter recently removed the account as part of the last week&#x27;s bot accounts clean-up process, rather than Elon personally shutting it down. It is highly likely Elon is not even aware that this specific account was suspended. Why is the general assumption that this was an intentional move?<p>There were several occasions when HN algorithms flagged my comments&#x2F;submissions and then someone from the HN team would reach out saying that this was a mistake and the result of a non-human intervention. Why is the same scenario not considered?<p>We shall see, but honestly, I believe @ElonJet will be reactivated by the end of today.
erik_landerholmover 2 years ago
Literally the reason he bought Twitter. Congrats Elon! &#x2F;s
paxysover 2 years ago
Gonna be fun to see Elon fans apply their standard mental gymnastics and explain why this is actually “free speech absolutism”.
323over 2 years ago
Just like this story will not survive more than 4 hours on the HN frontpage, despite the number of upvotes&#x2F;comments.
whatinthenoteover 2 years ago
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth&#x27;s final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, &quot;U.N. Declaration of Rights&quot;<p>From Sid Meier&#x27;s Alpha Centauri
selimhexover 2 years ago
Jack&#x27;s twitter is now also suspended. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;JxckSweeney" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;JxckSweeney</a>
outside1234over 2 years ago
Now available on Mastodon:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hachyderm.io&#x2F;@elonjet@mastodon.social" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hachyderm.io&#x2F;@elonjet@mastodon.social</a>
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Slightedover 2 years ago
Considering the fact that most people here don&#x27;t consider doxing to be freedom of speech, I don&#x27;t see what the problem is with this account being banned (Assuming of course that Musk himself actually banned it and it wasn&#x27;t removed by another staff member or by algorithmic defenses).<p>&quot;Its open source data!&quot; So are the (perfectly legal) doxes on Kiwifarms, yet that&#x27;s one of the largest reasons its vilified.<p>Additionally, I doubt most people here would be okay with another person very closely watching your movements including this kid if Musk decided to beat him at his own game by setting up cameras around his house (Funny what you can do with enormous amounts of money). Musk is still human whether you like billionaires or not. You&#x27;d think that a place like this would be more privacy-oriented and wouldn&#x27;t be okay with any kinds of telemetry period, or at the very least would want it handled more carefully (Plane data handled by in-house FAA units rather that broadcasted to the web for anyone and everyone to see).
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fzeroracerover 2 years ago
Not at all surprised to see people I argued with prior suddenly shift tact to instead argue that it&#x27;s a privacy issue etc etc despite literally taking the free speech stance like a few weeks prior.<p>As I&#x27;ve said and will keep saying Musk does not care about free speech. People are falling for the lies of a billionaire who has been caught in multiple objective lies before.
mberningover 2 years ago
Where are all the principled “it’s a private company” people now lol.
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selectodudeover 2 years ago
“My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk”<p>Elon Musk, 2022-11-06
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clouddroverover 2 years ago
Now on Mastodon: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet</a><p>And other places: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grndcntrl.net&#x2F;links&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grndcntrl.net&#x2F;links&#x2F;</a>
toofyover 2 years ago
what makes this so concerning is, elon clearly understands that posts can amplify danger—even if the posted data is public information already, and there aren’t any clear threats, he understands this when it’s about him.<p>if it even slightly puts him in danger, he takes steps at mitigation.<p>when it’s other people, and the situation is even more dangerous, it almost seems like he revels in the danger those people or groups are put in.<p>even more concerning to me, when those groups ask for mitigation efforts, he goes out of his way to make their concerns appear unreasonable or hysterical. again, even when those threats are more immediate&#x2F;widespread.<p>this is not something to be brushed away, this has very real implications.
stephc_int13over 2 years ago
A lot of people have been naïve about Elon Musk, especially Lex Fridman and Joe Rogan.<p>Elon is not in the Ponzi business like SBF, but we&#x27;ve seen quite a few questionable statements and borderline vaporware predictions.<p>More rational scrutiny and skepticism is needed, as a general rule, for anyone in power.
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AntoniusBlockover 2 years ago
All he originally had to do was to ignore the account. Him offering to buy it, or even him showing that the account perturbed him, exposed his insecurities and only added more eyeballs to the issue.
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jjwisemanover 2 years ago
Twitter has now suspended his personal account, the NASA aircraft tracking account, the Russian oligarch tracking account, the Bill Gates jets tracker, the Zuckerberg jet tracker, and more.
cyounkinsover 2 years ago
Musk tweeted in apparent reference to this:<p>&quot;Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info.<p>Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1603181423787380737" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;elonmusk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1603181423787380737</a>
niuzetaover 2 years ago
Is anyone really surprised at this?
outside1234over 2 years ago
Just log off from Twitter.<p>Every minute you don&#x27;t spend on Twitter is another minute we will be closer to Elon having to eat $44B and probably take a horrific haircut on Tesla.
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memishover 2 years ago
Which is most likely?<p>A) Elon banned the account, reneging on his previous statement, &quot;My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk&quot;<p>B) It was erroneously banned by someone else or an automated bot net process without Elon&#x27;s knowledge and will be overturned when he&#x27;s made aware of it<p>C) It was banned for another reason we don&#x27;t know about yet<p>D) Other
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stephc_int13over 2 years ago
Has Elon ever heard of the Streisand effect?
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Zigurdover 2 years ago
Where else can N628TS be tracked? It looks like some of the most widely used flight trackers do not provide this data.
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mbgerringover 2 years ago
Aside from watching many accounts critical of Elon get banned or suspended, it’s been entertaining to occasionally look at Twitter’s front page logged out, because:<p>1) If you have no cookies, Twitter constantly recommends that you follow Elon Musk<p>2) “Elon Musk” appears to be permanently set as a trending topic for logged-out users
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ajmurmannover 2 years ago
Any discussion about free speech that doesn&#x27;t address stochastic terrorism, the firehose of falsehood and the paradox of tolerance is meaningless.<p>This action likely shows that Musk intuitively understands the dangers of stochastic terrorism for himself (this is really one of the mildest version imaginable), but doesn&#x27;t understand or doesn&#x27;t want to understand the abstract concept and that it should impact speech on his and other platforms or at least needs to be addressed in a mature way.
iraeover 2 years ago
My guess to why he banned it now is that before he was more moderate against woke or left in general. Now that he is more openly and harshly targeting woke and Fauci, it becomes a bit more hazardous to have it up.<p>But this looks bad. He should have stated publicly why before banning it.
ck2over 2 years ago
Dude has to pay $1 BILLION per year in financing.<p>He can do whatever he wants, for now, until his debtors own it in a year or two.<p>Everyone needs to use this time to build better alternatives.<p>Personally I&#x27;m hoping everyone just goes back to their own blogs and Twitter, Facebook, etc. goes the way of AOL
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runarbergover 2 years ago
Here is the statement on mastadon: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@JxckS&#x2F;109513788818540405" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@JxckS&#x2F;109513788818540405</a>
UncleOxidantover 2 years ago
As an aside: I keep seeing claims on mastodon that any mention of mastodon on twitter gets flagged. Not having a twitter account I can&#x27;t test that claim. Any twitter users up to try an experiment?
rbancroftover 2 years ago
@JxckSweeney, @RUOligarchJets and @spacexjet also just got suspended.
_JoRoover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m kind of curious what people are most upset about here? 1. They just don&#x27;t like Elon? 2. They are upset that despite Elon claiming to be a &quot;free speech absolutist&quot; that he is now suspending accounts posting public information? (hypocrisy) 3. They are free speech absolutists themselves and object to this censorship? 4. Something else?<p>Personally, depending on how often Elon is using this plane - I could see this as a form of doxxing (although not strictly). I think the publicity that the account has been receiving recently is probably why it got suspended. It will be interesting to see whether any other legal or social policy is created related to this issue.
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forthorborover 2 years ago
It was only a matter of time, I can&#x27;t believe anyone fell for this. As soon as he started banning &quot;parodies&quot; of himself this was the only logical next escalation.
DantesKiteover 2 years ago
It seems like the location of Elon&#x27;s jet isn&#x27;t actually public information and requires some sleuthing to figure out. Changes my opinion completely if true.<p>&quot;Elon uses the FAA PIA privacy program for a private plane ID. When using a PIA address, the owner is anon and private, not public. Sweeney’s workaround is (likely) to spot a (rare) ICAO plane resembling Musk’s &amp; noting the private code.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;scottwww&#x2F;status&#x2F;1490553502640140288?s=20&amp;t=JuKbcaiZL786Dk9z1txSWg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;scottwww&#x2F;status&#x2F;1490553502640140288?s=20...</a>
tibbydudezaover 2 years ago
So this &quot;Ella Irwin&quot; - Elon&#x27;s hatchet woman :).
wnevetsover 2 years ago
The mastodon <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social&#x2F;@elonjet</a> alternative.
iancmceachernover 2 years ago
Free speech absolutism right here. Wait...
hzhou321over 2 years ago
Some billionaires grow integrity at some point since every thing else is just money. Some billionaires never.
lxeover 2 years ago
Elon&#x27;s free speech seems to be just as free as his full-self-driving cars are full-self-driving.
iamgopalover 2 years ago
I think with enough positive feedback loops, we can control elon to get done anything.
Blue111over 2 years ago
Took longer then I thought... just looked at this account yesterday or the day before.
kiawe_fireover 2 years ago
So many comments here and I’m still struggling to see why this is so noteworthy.
maxbondover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m wondering if anyone has recently changed their mind about Elon Musk, in particular about whether he is a free speech advocate?
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agilobover 2 years ago
Can Twitter be actually trusted <i>and</i> profitable in a few months?
zagrebianover 2 years ago
I hope Last Week Tonight does a main story on Elon when it comes back.
thih9over 2 years ago
Aren’t we going to see copycats?<p>Are they all going to be blocked?<p>I feel like I’m missing something.
sinoueover 2 years ago
Absolute power absolutely corrupts. - Lord Acton
kolanosover 2 years ago
Didn&#x27;t ElonJet offer to shut down for a Model 3?
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rqtwteyeover 2 years ago
I feel Musk is falling into the same trap most other social media celebrities with large followings fall into. At some point they get addicted to controversy and outrage as long as they get attention. He would be way better off if he cared more about his businesses and kept his mouth shut. The signs were already clear with all the nonsense he did during the Thai cave situation. He tried to suck up attention with his little submarine and then got mad when it turned out it was useless.<p>Jordan Peterson is another example of this. He used to have some good insights but what I have heard from him lately sounds very authoritative and appeals to his followers but is pretty hollow.
_jalover 2 years ago
Looks to me like Twitter is financially doomed, and he&#x27;s doing some combination of messing around with a broken toy and courting favor with like-minded people on the way to bankruptcy.
heywherelogingoover 2 years ago
Opinions and stalking aren&#x27;t the same thing.
sbochinsover 2 years ago
I always feel dirty following the latest Twitter news. It feels like reading the tabloids at this point. But anyway, is there anyone that still buys the free speech angle from Musk? So far, he has just brought back some right wing accounts, removed some left wing accounts, and took on personal vendettas, like this.<p>I think Twitter may actually end up making more money in the future. Musk seems to be able to market his companies very effectively. I’m assuming there is significantly more interest in the going ons at Twitter since he took over.
w0mbatover 2 years ago
It&#x27;s a stalker account, of course it was banned. I would hope Twitter would ban a similar account stalking Taylor Swift for example.
lisperover 2 years ago
Can someone please explain to me what&#x2F;who is ElonJet and why I should care that he&#x2F;she&#x2F;it has been suspended?
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LightGover 2 years ago
What a f@cking coward...
code_lettuceover 2 years ago
Anyone who is ${surprised_pikachu.gif} by this hasn&#x27;t been paying attention.
auditor_3dover 2 years ago
I won&#x27;t lie, I&#x27;d ban the hell out of that account to if I was him.
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esalmanover 2 years ago
Elon Musk is the Donald Trump of silicon valley. Sadly, Americans never learn.
johnhenryover 2 years ago
At lest Trump still has our back <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;truthsocial.com&#x2F;@ElonJet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;truthsocial.com&#x2F;@ElonJet</a>
mathlover2over 2 years ago
Big. Freaking. Surprise. I really hope the account is able to find a home elsewhere.<p>EDIT: He has a Facebook page and a website. I am definitely going to be using the latter.
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jchwover 2 years ago
On one hand: Elon Musk has clearly directly been involved in having accounts suspended in the past, because it happened when he got upset about parody accounts making fun of him.<p>On the other hand: there&#x27;s no particular information here yet, regarding the reason why the account was banned, nor does anyone know if Elon Musk actually had anything directly to do with it. Elon Musk has a ton of fanboys who would probably continue to report and brigade such an account, so I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if that&#x27;s what happened here.
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rubyist5evaover 2 years ago
Stalking is not free speech.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rsover 2 years ago
&quot;Private company, they can do whatever they want&quot;
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minusSevenover 2 years ago
Thinking of buying shorts on twitter now with all the dumb ass news going around...
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jdlygaover 2 years ago
Once a shining star on Twitter&#x27;s skies, Elonjet&#x27;s wings were clipped and it could no longer rise. Its tweets were a joy, tracking Musk&#x27;s private jet, But now it&#x27;s been silenced, its fate is set.<p>Elon Musk now reigns supreme on the platform we love, But his control has come at a cost, with many pushed out. The fired workers are left to wonder and roam, While Musk&#x27;s grip on the site only continues to grow.<p>Oh Elonjet, how we&#x27;ll miss your tweets and updates, Tracking Musk&#x27;s travels with such keen insight. Your suspension is a sad moment, a loss to be sure, But your spirit lives on in the memories of those who adored.<p>-Credit to ChatGPT
throw_a_grenadeover 2 years ago
dupe: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33981691" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33981691</a>
m3kw9over 2 years ago
Everyone here is pissed, but let’s see how it works out if there is an account tracking your own location.
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xqcgrek2over 2 years ago
Seems bots have invaded HN. Very weird echo chamber-ish thread.
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docmarsover 2 years ago
Doxing a private personal vehicle&#x27;s location publicly is not free speech.
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francisduvivierover 2 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t this a bot account? If so, I don&#x27;t really see what all the fuzz is about.
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seydorover 2 years ago
It doesn&#x27;t amaze me the things that twitter does to gather attention. It amazes me how well it works
beanedover 2 years ago
A lot of very weird vote brigading happening in this thread.
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sergiotapiaover 2 years ago
Good, don&#x27;t be a creepy guy and stalk someone like this.
ilrwbwrkhvover 2 years ago
Honestly Hacker News seems to be the last bastion of intelligent free speech. We must defend this space thusly.
ffggvvover 2 years ago
isn’t this basically like doxxing? aren’t the people criticizing this move the ones who would be in hysterics if someone did this to a journalist or politician they like? especially if it was a woman of color or whatever preferred group
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zachurover 2 years ago
I actually think this is reasonable. The account was broadcasting his live location at any given point in time and there&#x27;s a strong argument it presented a legitimate safety risk given so many people&#x27;s hatred towards him.<p>It&#x27;s also hard to say he&#x27;s banning free speech against himself when it feels like half of twitter is anti-Elon sentiment these days.
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yakubinover 2 years ago
A bit of a tangent: where does the knowledge about which jet is Musk&#x27;s (in this case N628TS) come from? Are ownership records of jets public information? Isn&#x27;t that a privacy issue? Imagine if that was the case for cars. It&#x27;s pretty much a given that governments can track both, but just a random person being able to do that is even worse IMO.
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BoardsOfCanadaover 2 years ago
The account seems to be up and running when I click the link.<p>If anything this shows how badly people want to find anything to criticize Musk for. Accounts get flagged, give it half a day at least.
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itslennysfaultover 2 years ago
Does anyone have contact info for the person that runs this? Is he gonna pick it back up on Mastodon or Reddit or his own domain? If it were me I would make it as multi-platform as possible just out of spite. Maybe even create a new twitter once a week and let them play wack-a-mole with it.<p>edit...<p>seems there is already a reddit (where you&#x27;d expect), but it is (apparently) tied to a crypto token. They have a .io domain (the one you expect) and it&#x27;s just promoting crypto and has an iframe to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensky-network.org&#x2F;aircraft-profile?icao24=a835af" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensky-network.org&#x2F;aircraft-profile?icao24=a835af</a> to make it the &quot;elonjet&quot; coin. Man, people will attach crypto to anything.
adamsb6over 2 years ago
I think it&#x27;s likely that this was reported and actioned without looping in Elon, and it will end up getting undone when raised to Elon.
Nifty3929over 2 years ago
Does anyone else see any daylight between criticizing someone and tracking their movements?<p>I think there are two cases we should observe to be able to judge motives here: - What happens to Twitter accounts that are heavily critical of Musk, but do not track him or otherwise lead to real-world harassment&#x2F;violence? - What happens to a Twitter account that is tracking someone else who isn&#x27;t Musk?<p>If Twitter is allowing the former (Musk criticism), and banning the latter (tracking&#x2F;harassment of non-Musk people), then I think this is fine.
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fsoteras_xpsover 2 years ago
Lets generalize the concept of ElonJet , are we ok for apps disclosing localization of anybody main vehicle? e.g.: the localization at any time of the day of your car? or let generalize more: your localization at any moment of the day or the localization of your underage son or daughter? For my case I wouldn&#x27;t like that at all nonetheless the fact that I am totally unimportant, and I don&#x27;t see people that frees that data in the open without permission of the tracked ones as users of free speech rights...
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40fourover 2 years ago
It&#x27;s amazing to me the mental gymnastics one must have to do to defend the @ElonJet account, simply because you might not like Elon on a personal level. Of course that account should be suspended. Yeah I know, public information&#x2F; free speech, blah blah. But it is quite frankly a personal attack on Musk, and I consider it a form of Doxxing. As high profile as Musk is, something like that account is a real threat to his personal safety in my opinion. I don&#x27;t see how anyone would think that&#x27;s ethical or reasonable to allow to continue?
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Workaccount2over 2 years ago
I think Elon is&#x2F;was trying to bring back the &quot;glory days&quot; of the internet where free speech was <i>the</i> driving force behind tons of early internet projects. Seemingly everyone was onboard with the internet being humanities bastion of free speech and that had to be protected at all costs.<p>Then the wild west internet was developed into a city and well, you just can&#x27;t walk around shooting your gun wherever you want anymore. And changing the law to let people do that isn&#x27;t going to bring back the wild west, and is more likely to just cause a bunch of chaos.
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OrvalWintermuteover 2 years ago
I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left.<p>But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive.<p>Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next?<p>An alternative argument - if we&#x27;re going to do it to him, maybe we should do the same to everyone (which is crazy because no one cares that much about random plane movements from rich guys unless they are politically connected, or green hypocrites, or involved in some crime, but Law Enforcement protects this data etc)
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michaelbuckbeeover 2 years ago
A lot of hypocrisy from Elon here, but I&#x27;m at least somewhat sympathetic to taking down these accounts that are tracking people as it&#x27;s so close to a Doxing or could lead to something bad happening.<p>A few years ago, we were all mad at Uber for their &quot;God View&quot; which tracked celebrity locations -&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;newsbeat-38314832" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;newsbeat-38314832</a>
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Overtonwindowover 2 years ago
Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger
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gfodorover 2 years ago
Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.
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overgardover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m not going to justify this action, I think he&#x27;s in the wrong, but if the only speech he&#x27;s suppressing is people making fun of him I don&#x27;t care that much. Hypocrite, sure, but I&#x27;m more worried about the project Matt Taibbi lays out in pt 3 of the twitter files:<p><i>&gt; Before the Capitol riots, the company was engaged in an inherently insane&#x2F;impossible project, trying to create an ever-expanding, ostensibly rational set of rules to regulate every conceivable speech situation that might arise between human beings.</i><p><i>&gt; This project was preposterous, yet its leaders were unable to see this, having become infected with the firm’s groupthink, coming to believe – sincerely – that it was their responsibility to control, as much as possible, what people could talk about, how often, and with whom.</i><p>^ THAT, is the kind of policy I&#x27;m worried about.
suyashover 2 years ago
I would report all the other accounts as they can present a security threat. This should be private information in the first place.
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droobyover 2 years ago
Twitters relevant policy:<p>“Private information: You may not publish or post other people&#x27;s private information (such as home phone number and address) without their express authorization and permission. We also prohibit threatening to expose private information or incentivizing others to do so. Learn more.”<p>Now.. his fight information is technically “public” but in that same sense, phone numbers and street addresses are also “public”. Thus, a suspension to the flight tracking account seems in alignment with Twitter policy.<p>Elon claimed he would not “ban” the account. And he has not done so. They were suspended.<p>Okay edit lol: I _actually_ didn&#x27;t know that &quot;Suspended&quot; is the equivalent to &quot;Permanently Suspended&quot; aka&quot;Banned&quot; on twitter. Shocking, I know. I walk back my second statement.
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