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Tech’s Relationship With Depression, Suicide and Asperger’s

103 pointsby minecraftmanover 13 years ago

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mindcrimeover 13 years ago
This struck a chord with me:<p><i>Failure, failing, and being “a failure” is such a part of tech culture that it is a cultural locus for entire posts, blogs, pep talks and conventions.</i><p><i>Failure is universally feared and derided, yet framed and re-framed again and again as a means of staying positive, of learning from mistakes, of using failure as a measure of working hard for success.</i><p><i>The ideal of success in tech is married to the terror of failure.</i><p>In that I can definitely relate to the "fear of failure" thing. Especially being one of the older guys doing this stuff, and walking around with a constant feeling of "I haven't done anything yet, and I'm pretty much down to my last shot." But by the same token, I'm always reminded of something I heard a long time ago:<p>"In business, you only have to be right once."<p>I find that thought to be a powerful antidote to some of the darker thoughts that creep in from time to time. I keep reminding myself that if this idea doesn't pan out, that it's entirely possible that the next one will be "the one" so to speak.<p><i>What undoubtedly makes it worse is the public nature of tech culture, populated with gossip bloggers happy to run any item for page views, the better if it humiliates their competitors. Add to this that the very nature of tech work itself is inherently isolating.</i><p>This may be one advantage to being on the East Coast and removed from the typical SV gossip machine and echo chamber. Nobody really talks about what we're doing, and the only time my blog posts make it to HN (or similar) is usually when I post them. And even that's usually just because I'm curious to see if anybody has anything to say. So we get to sorta "fly under the radar" at least so far. Thinking about it, that might actually be one good reason to adopt a least a "semi stealth" approach to your startup... perhaps it's a way to not go soliciting pressure and expectations until you're really ready for them.
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escandaover 13 years ago
I've found this article to be quite disproportionate.<p>For instance, assuming this kid committed suicide because of Diaspora and not because of something else, without any facts beside a weak wishful association; that's not serious.<p>It's kind of amusing the hysteric importance people give to media startups which is of no concern but for those involved, that is the authors and the media coverage.<p>Not only that, but I can only wander how the article's author managed to tie suicide, autism and then give us a brief merchandised solution, in such a few paragraphs with any hint of truth.
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projctover 13 years ago
Thank you for this. One of the links in the article was rather helpful in putting words to things in my past. :)<p><a href="http://www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneous/aspergers_depression.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneou...</a>
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keithpeterover 13 years ago
Is there perhaps an age and gender variable coming in here?<p><a href="http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-u...</a><p>Many people involved in small IT companies tend to be 19 to 24 and male?
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boscomutungaover 13 years ago
I think the real solution would be to avoid cutting off from society.Most experienced and stable techies have wives and some kids, this helps them keep their sanity.Having to go home to a loving wife and some children really refreshes a man and brings calmness to his mind.In my experience, techies with a family tend to be mentally balanced.
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mediusover 13 years ago
Whenever I worry about failing, I try to remind myself what Felix Dennis said,<p>"After a lifetime of making money and observing better men and women than me fall by the wayside, I am convinced that fear of failing in the eyes of the world is the single biggest impediment to amassing wealth. Trust me on this."<p>Of course, it's not just about wealth, but "success", whatever that means for you.
georgieporgieover 13 years ago
Here's my take on it, for what it's worth:<p>1) Getting mental health care (in the US) is difficult. There is still a social stigma, to be sure, but the bigger problem is that it's just hard to find it. I mentioned before that during a bout of depression, I called several psychiatrists' offices and left messages, and none of them even called me back to reject me, much less help me find care elsewhere. When you're already depressed, overcoming hurdles like this is the last thing you need.<p>2) Programming is isolating, and we many of us do it when we should be developing core social skills. I don't know about the rest of HN, but I got my first computer when I was eight years old (Commodore VIC-20). I became obsessed with computers, and spent an inordinate amount of my life with them. Sure, I had friends, but I don't think I spent as much time developing deep relationships and shared experiences as I should have. I went straight into college, with the goal of getting done as soon as possible in order to start working with computers. Around the age of 30, I realized I'd spent my career either sitting behind a computer alone, or dealing with fairly antagonistic personalities in meetings.<p>Personally, I'm a big fan of the gap year concept. Getting out, traveling, seeing how life happens in other parts of the world, and simply interacting with people outside of tech was a big eye-opener for me. I can't recommend strongly enough that, if you're around 20 and notice that you spend a lot of time with computers, and maybe aren't totally satisfied with your social life and set of life experiences, that you immediately consider going abroad for a year or two. Teach English. Join the Peace Corps. You will almost certainly learn valuable social skills that you don't even know you're missing.