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Richard Stallman Was Right All Along

731 pointsby thomholwerdaover 13 years ago

33 comments

pgover 13 years ago
This article doesn't seem to give any examples of specific predictions Stallman made that have turned out to be correct. All the article seems to be saying is that Stallman seemed paranoid, and present events seem to justify paranoia.<p>(Incidentally, people always feel that.)<p>Can anyone give some examples of specific predictions Stallman made that seemed surprising at the time, but that have come true? I'm not saying there haven't been any, just that such a list would be more useful than this article.
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spodekover 13 years ago
"I, too, disregarded Stallman as way too extreme... Only a short while ago I would've declared this as pure paranoia - but with all that's been going on recently, it's no longer paranoia."<p>I considered him extreme until I thought more about it, then came to agree with him on most major points...<p>... that was in 1993.<p>Glad to see others here.
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jasonallenover 13 years ago
Agreed - Stallman was right all along. What's working against Stallman though is that his doomsday predictions are being delivered in piecemeal fashion. Each slight erosion doesn't seem too bad by itself. Only in retrospect does the magnitude of the problem reveal itself. Governments and corporations have evolved processes to change laws in such effective manners as to evade most human observation.<p>tldr; No one tells you the plane's not coming - they just tell you it's 20m late, perpetually...
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chcover 13 years ago
This article is just a complete non sequitur. The Stallman angle has nothing to do with any of the problems it cites. Free software wouldn't prevent Obama from signing an indefinite detention bill, it won't stop the government from forcing ISPs and DNS roots to do harmful things — the benefits of free software are completely different things.
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kevinalexbrownover 13 years ago
One problem with software you don't have control over is that <i>anything</i> is subpoenable. We don't have to wait for the government to impose their own tracking mechanisms, because as soon as they get probable cause, that's it (which includes missing a finger, having &#62;7 days food supply at home, if you believe Rand Paul anyway). Or just look up Google's government transparency report[1]. When you don't have control over your data, it's just a warrant/polite request away from the government.<p>Not all government access to private data is bad. After all, it's needed to stop things like child prostitution/pornography rings, and yeah, terrorism. But what I liked so much about this article was putting the slippery slope into perspective. It's easy enough to quote the transparency report, "The number of user data requests we received increased by 29% compared to the previous reporting period." and go "well - just 29%" but that's <i>one year</i>. I'll make the surprising bet it doesn't go down. Compare to three decades ago, and a lot of what's happening now seemed draconian then.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/</a>
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samstaveover 13 years ago
I think we are giving the government and Obama far too much credit for being stupid/naive/uncunning.<p>Of course the NDAA funding auth is going to be passed. It must be - thus, they throw on insidious clauses like the detainment, and Obama is the lucky guy who just happens to be in the unfortunate position where he must sign it even though he opposed certain items.<p>Here is an idea: require all laws to be single subject, single focus. If it is a funding measure, it cannot expand powers/modify any existing laws other than to either increase or decrease funding. If it is a law, such as one that is focused on the detainment of [whomever] then that should be a singular law stating under which circumstances this law shall be applied.<p>This is the number one source of corruption in the government, the ability to abuse the structure of the legal system.<p>By doing this one thing, you will cripple lobbying, create transparency and create accountability (you'll be able to understand where each rep is on each issue)
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strmpnkover 13 years ago
Richard Stallman may have been right about the issue but that doesn't mean is approach to solving these issues nor his philosophy are in the same bucket.<p>I'd say he's always been right to a point since what he said years ago was true then and happens to be true now at a larger scale. It's not necessarily prophetic, just keenly observant. Likewise we have more free software options today than we did in the past.<p>My personal <i></i>opinion<i></i> is that it'd be wrong to get rid of either end. Eliminating freedom from software ecosystems would be disastrous. Likewise, I don't think free solves all of our software problems either (one could possibly abstain from many things but that's avoiding not solving the problem). SOPA needs to be stopped but lets not assume that non-free software needs to be limited because of this. Live and let live (and never let your guard down).
Tychoover 13 years ago
I just don't see the relationship between government overstepping the mark... and buying a proprietary product form a company you respect, because you want to use the product and are willing to sacrifice the desirable but non-essential quality of unfettered access to its innards.<p>...OK, actually I do see the connection. The suggestion is probably that if the technology is not totally open, you don't know how much power you're giving away (the manufacturers could be cooperating secretly with the authorities). But if you really feel like this, all you need to do is refrain from using your iClosedDevice for any type of work or communication that you wouldn't trust in the hands of the manufacturers/authorities.<p>... And OK, I see the point that we need to support the alternative methods or else their won't be any when we need them. It's just the either/or sentiment that bugs me.
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sunkencityover 13 years ago
Good article but I disagree that supporting "Android (not Google) even though you like IOS" is a valid strategy for openness. android is all about monitoring and datamining the user. Sad to see the good old openmoko project die.
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morpherover 13 years ago
In Sec. 1021 (the one about indefinite detention power), it clearly states:<p>(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.<p>So, how does this give the president the supposed power to detain US citizens? (The oft quoted 'slippery' line about not requiring detention Americans is from the NEXT section, which is specifically about requiring detentions in some cases.
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SaintSalover 13 years ago
"His only computer is a Lemote Yeelong netbook, because it's the only computer which uses only Free software - no firmware blobs, no proprietary BIOS; it's all Free." Interesting that it's made in China. I'm trying to reconcile the implications of that... <a href="http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.htm...</a>
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wycatsover 13 years ago
It's worth noting that Obama, upon signing, issued a signing statement that said that he was against the indefinite detention provision, and importantly, that he would not indefinitely hold Americans without trial:<p>"Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law."
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Jun8over 13 years ago
You have to counter the forces against freedom with an <i>array</i> of approaches, free software being only one of these. Without having a clear understanding of the economic and political understanding of the driving forces behind the ratcheting up of state control, resistance will be pretty much futile, I fear.
Shorelover 13 years ago
Of course he is right when he writes about fundamental issues. He's very smart and knows the implications of laws and licenses.<p>However, he allows no room for dissent, no transition path, no concessions for the real world. His followers are the same.<p>For this reason, I will never use the GPL for any of my projects (I prefer wxWidgets and MIT licenses).
trotskyover 13 years ago
Rarely have I come across an article that promised such a ringing endorsement in its title only to find it peppered with bits of snarky back handed compliments.<p>So it doesn't come as much of a surprise that there wasn't much there even for the mostly uninitiated, still good(?) press is good press.<p>Surely, I thought, now that we've declared the imminent death of the Liberty and the Internet and its subsequent rescue by Saint Rick we must have hit bottom.<p>In the fine tradition of the showman the best had been saved for last. Never fear, he says, because Stallman's had our backs all along - it may have taken a long time but thankss to Richard we have Free and Open platforms like Android* that will protect us in the dark days ahead.<p>* resist temptation, remember: boot locks, carrier installs, 3rd party spyware, location tracking, cloud storage, baseband, drm everything, few security patches, etc.
jimmeh2over 13 years ago
I've often thought that Stallman was too prickly as spokesman or organisational leader, but I've never regarded him as being too extreme from a free software, ideological perspective. His thinking along those lines has always been meticulously careful and he generally sought out and found extremely competent legal advise. His basic mode of argumentation is to point out various legal exploits and note that there was no good reason to assume that government and industry won't abuse them if given the right set of circumstances.<p>It's a mystery why every ten years we have to have this discussion about whether we've entered a new age of ethical business and responsible government, where we somehow think that human nature and human organisations have changed permanently (through technological innovation!) in some egalitarian way.
Mordorover 13 years ago
People latch onto the word 'terrorist' and think it doesn't apply to them, but we are all 'terrorists' in one way or other because our thoughts and actions do not completely submit to the state. Indeed this is never possible.
antoinevgover 13 years ago
Excerpted from Volume 43 of How To Boil Frogs by P. Latanna:<p><pre><code> *ribbit* To be sure the water is warmer this year but surely it is only 9.943 degrees hotter and not 10 degrees like the author claims. *ribbit*</code></pre>
zeruchover 13 years ago
Very few people actually dispute the crux of most of his arguments (at least those that have more than a surface awareness), but his dogmatism and often shrill OCD about slapping the GNU-prefix on things and poor social and personal hygiene have resulted in an image of a wildly paranoid crank which has made it easy to write him off casually by many of those who should be listening to him.
ypcxover 13 years ago
From the "Yeeloong Notebook" page:<p>"If you prefer warm interpersonal dialogs in solving problems, you can dial our hotline. Technical personnel will provide help in the <i>first time.</i>"<p>Now I can understand Mr. Stallman!<p>On a more serious note, the only question is: How much worse do things have to get, in order to start getting better?<p>Besides, the Yeeloong thing coming from China, I wouldn't be so sure it doesn't contain a bit of tracking circuitry.
trotskyover 13 years ago
<i>This is why you should support Android (not Google, but Android), even if you prefer the iPhone. [...] There's going to be a point where being Free/open is no longer a fun perk, but a necessity.</i><p>Stallman on Android: <a href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/android-and-users-freedom.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/android-and-users-freedom.htm...</a>
gonzoover 13 years ago
This whole "Stallman doesn't carry a phone" thing is BS.<p>I spent a couple days with him in Hawaii. He most definitely has a cell phone.
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Cieplakover 13 years ago
To what extent can utilities like DTrace make proprietary software free? I know this is kind of a broad question, but can we detect hidden functionality in proprietary software without fully reverse-engineering it?
aquanextover 13 years ago
Sorry, but the part about picking Android over iPhone is just bullshit. Android is totally open source and it still came preloaded with Carrier IQ on it. I agree with the sentiment, but let's not be stupid, okay?
dmoneyover 13 years ago
I can't find a news article saying that NDAA has been used to detain Occupy protesters, only that Occupy protesters have protested NDAA and some were arrested for failing to leave when ordered.
tessellatedover 13 years ago
'Richard Stallman Was Right All Along' Is this really news anymore?
eddywebover 13 years ago
I love what Bob Dylan said in a song "...instead of learning to live, they are learning to die". That really summed it up for me
Tharkunover 13 years ago
Invoking Godwin's Law.<p>Saying Stallman "was right all along", just because he's not completely wrong all the time, is a bit like saying "hitler was right all along". Complete and utter bullcrap.<p>Stallman is a tit. Being an unwashed dick is his god given right, I won't dispute that. In spite of his undoubtedly good intentions, however, the man has such a poor image that he's done "his" FOSS cause more harm than good. He should go away. Or at least shut up.
BiosElementover 13 years ago
And I predict everyone on this planet will die at some point in time!<p>... ...<p>I guess that means I was right all along!
hnsmurfover 13 years ago
Just because you're paranoid/doesn't mean they're not after you.
desireco42over 13 years ago
I can't like this enough
Craiggybearover 13 years ago
Of course he was right all along. As we will all soon discover to our enormous cost.
paulhauggisover 13 years ago
Take note who signed it.
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