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Quitting the rat race

413 pointsby seanbarryover 2 years ago

73 comments

BizarreByteover 2 years ago
It’s a short piece, but it resonates with me, specifically this part:<p>&gt; I’m earning the most money I’ve ever made and yet I’m the least fulfilled I’ve ever been.<p>I’m making the most I’ve ever made and I’ve never been less happy and more depressed. I despise being a cog in a huge corporate machine, it’s like the job was designed to be as unappealing as possible.<p>At the same time I can’t get over the fact that I have it better than the vast majority of humanity. I feel guilty hating my job, I won’t complain to people IRL because how could I? I have it made by all accounts. This guilt completely consumes me and adds a special level of self hatred, if I’m not happy with this, maybe I never will be?<p>Unlike the author though I can’t just quit, so endure it I must.
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fsckboyover 2 years ago
You being unhappy in your life does not mean that there is anything wrong with the world. Looking to pin the blame on society at large and other people&#x27;s choices is a convenient escape from looking at yourself and your own fears, disappointments, choices made, etc.<p>I grew up in a rural place, no mountains but we substituted beaches, marshes, and ocean. When I go back to visit I can&#x27;t believe how beautiful it is. But, I prefer to live in the city where I can walk to coffee, pizza, chinese, mexican, etc. I never visit city parks, the grass and trees don&#x27;t speak to me at all of nature and as an engineer I see beauty in architecture and construction and (after studying economics) the dynamism of human striving.<p>It&#x27;s fine to decide to drop out of the hurly-burly, but don&#x27;t call your fellow city dwellers rats, they&#x27;re people making a go of it. The carbon footprint of the average New Yorker is among the smallest in the world, that&#x27;s what population density gets you, and rural areas? they&#x27;re filled with human suffering, don&#x27;t kid yourself.
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dinobonesover 2 years ago
I am in my mid 20s. I have about $200k saved and I think about quitting everyday, even though it would probably be disastrous for my career.<p>I look up and I see colleagues in their 40s-50s. 20-30 years of experience in the industry, with the performance of their RSUs they probably easily have $2m+ net worth. I really don&#x27;t understand why <i>they</i> don&#x27;t quit.<p>Just a naive example: Buy a cheap house ($250k) and live off of $40k&#x2F;year for the next 40 years ($1.6m). You can always freelance or do extra work on the side if you want to splurge on a vacation or major purchase.<p>And I &quot;enjoy&quot; my job. It is comfy and interesting most days. But it is just such a massive time sink, after accounting for the chores of life and the &quot;ramp up&quot; and &quot;ramp down&quot; time before work, it honestly feels like I have maybe 2-3 hours a day on the weekdays of time that I can honestly say is my own. I can&#x27;t imagine doing this tradeoff for another 15 years, but we&#x27;ll see.<p>Props to the OP for having the courage to do this. I hope I can muster up some of the same courage soon.
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ggmover 2 years ago
The thing is, there is a selection bias at play here.<p>The ones who really succeed in &quot;quitting the rat race&quot; don&#x27;t show up because they have next to no interest in discussing this with you, or anyone else online.<p>I don&#x27;t mean the silence from HNW individuals, I mean the real quitters, who are sitting round a version of Thoreau&#x27;s Walden pond <i>NOT WRITING ABOUT IT</i><p>The &quot;FIRE&quot; community are the front edge. Once they get there, they stop obsessively telling people how they did it.<p>The best choice I made was closing out my socials. I do wonder why I keep HN open (as I am sure, do many people who choose to read what I write here) and I suspect it&#x27;s also going away, when I turn off, tune out, and drop off.<p>My superannuation (pension in UK speak) is vesting out inside 6 months. It&#x27;s not HNW. I won&#x27;t be in lambos. It is more than enough for me and my partner, to be quiet, and sufficiently comfortable in our declining years.<p>If I misjudged the market I&#x27;ll either go back to work, or not. &quot;it depends&quot;. It might be in this field, it might be in another. A surprising number of older (and not so old) retirees work because they <i>want to</i> (I know many work because they have no choice)
pieceroughover 2 years ago
&quot;The truth is: nothing I’ve done or experienced in this place has given me any experience comparable to walking along the ridge between two mountains. Nothing has made me feel alive like getting in to freezing cold water despite my body screaming at me not to. Nothing has made me feel anything like that feeling when you summit a mountain after 2 hours of solid climbing in the rain, and the clouds part to reveal the most spectacular and breathtaking view you’ve ever seen.&quot;<p>This is the tricky part. If you&#x27;re in the rat race, the feelings you get in the mountains are way more intense.<p>If mountains become your life, it won&#x27;t be long until they become the norm, making you flee back to some urban jungle.<p>It&#x27;s the contrast in your life that matter.
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mr_tristanover 2 years ago
So, it&#x27;s great the author has recognized they are unhappy, but &quot;heading to the mountains because I had good experiences there&quot; seems like terrible decision making.<p>The &quot;happiness trifecta&quot; still seems to be a sense of purpose, autonomy, and expertise. Money just helps remove stressors.<p>I&#x27;d like to see more stories of people working to open a path in a system where it didn&#x27;t exist before. Like, &quot;how I carved out a new position at this huge company that gave be a better sense of why I do what I do&quot;. Everyone tends to think they need to go to a small place to have a big impact, but I think you can bend the world wherever you are a bit if you know how to define the targets, and get there slowly, one day at a time.<p>Big career changes are sometimes worth it, though I wouldn&#x27;t follow this guy&#x27;s lead. I found this experience from a woodworker who left architecture much more interesting: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MQoqGPnRLbU">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MQoqGPnRLbU</a>
seanbarryover 2 years ago
Author here.<p>I posted this late last night (BST) and I’m shocked to wake and see it was so heavily read and discussed. Thank you everyone!<p>The post received some justifiable criticism for making it sound like I’m about to disappear in to the mountains to live like a hermit in a poorly thought out, idealistic middle finger to society.<p>In reality the change I’m making is to move to a much smaller place where I still have people and the urban environment around me, but with a much healthier balance of the things I value: family, nature, and quiet. Importantly, I’ll be a 15 minute walk from the seaside and a short drive away from the mountains - so I’ll be able to escape to them as often as I want.<p>I also want to find or create more meaningful work, even though this means my income may be lower.<p>I don’t have FU money from working at a FAANG company, so my personal runway is ~6 months. I won’t be taking significant time off.<p>The most ironic thing is that change isn’t immediate. It’s going to be six weeks before my obligations here expire and until then, life continues as it has done previously. As I write this comment I’m standing in a packed train on the way in to the city, but today with a little smile on my face.
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mmaunderover 2 years ago
Funny, I was this guy 23 years ago working in London for Credit Suisse. It’s clear in investment banks that you can just keep doing that forever and get paid what most would consider a lot for doing routine stuff. What bugged me is that I’d stopped growing and wasn’t challenged. I quit and joined a fast growing dot com in 2000, met my wife, moved to the states and we’ve had one hell of an adventure since then. Sometimes you just need to pick a different path outside the current comfort zone, and that comes with risk, but the rewards can be amazing.
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namuolover 2 years ago
I’m pretty sure the romanticizing of the idea of “quitting the rat race” is one of the largest motivators to play the game.<p>If you want to quit the rat race you’re going to have to sacrifice a lot, unless you <i>checks notes</i> “[work] at a top tier investment bank as a software engineer”.
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angarg12over 2 years ago
What I don&#x27;t like about the discourse on the &quot;rat race&quot; online is that people only discuss two extremes: either you work a high paid, highly stressing job that you hate, or you retire. I feel dumb saying this, but there are many combinations of salary, stress and meaning (to choose three axis) as companies out there.<p>If instead of &quot;rat race vs not&quot; we frame it as a tradeoff between possibly conflicting attributes, which may vary person to person and at different points in life, I think we&#x27;d have a more fruitful conversation.
juve1996over 2 years ago
This post really ruffled some feathers on here, talking about how he can&#x27;t find happiness out there, you can&#x27;t find happiness externally, it&#x27;s all internal, he can only do this because he makes money, etc.<p>It&#x27;s amazing how many people simply want to tear others down, I think, deep down, many wish they could do the same as this man.
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tysam_andover 2 years ago
This is a good article. I will be honest, the Twitter link felt like a very ironic finish to the article, so much so that I chuckled. Some rat races may indeed continue, though maybe it is not all or nothing.<p>We wish the author well in his endeavors.
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Yhippaover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m old enough where I&#x27;ve been through these pits of despair. Unlike this chap, in didn&#x27;t have the FU money to just walk away.<p>At some point I realized that without this massive dehumanizing system to fire me regular income, the alternative is that we are out in the wild fighting for survival every minute, not knowing where my next meal is coming from.<p>What our system gives us seems decidedly better but man, it can be mentally tough to keep trucking along.
riemannzetaover 2 years ago
I believe Mr. Barry is simply doing what very few of us are brave enough to do: To think for himself!<p>We are social animals, and many of our goals are the defaults set for us by our social cohort. Very seldom do we take the time to think deeply about what we really enjoy, much less have the courage to act on what we might think in a way that would mark us as different. After all, any rejection of the defaults is a subversive threat to undermine the entire system!<p>Good for you, Mr. Barry. I for one am very excited to hear more from you in the future!
ablatt89over 2 years ago
It&#x27;s a rat race if you never enjoyed software engineering and computer science from the start, and joined due to the growing SWE hype in the 2010s. Most people in the world have to work 40+ hours a week, and on weekends. It&#x27;s kinda crazy to not take your career choice in perspective, which is relatively cushy, good perks, good pay, often wfh or decent offices, and call it a rat race because... you think you deserve to earn even more money and get more recognition? Okay, don&#x27;t we all...
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bacon_waffleover 2 years ago
&gt; If this resonated with you - reach out to me on Twitter<p>It resonated with me, right up until the &quot;on Twitter&quot; part.<p>A few weeks shy of 20 years ago, I was a fed-up high school student and made probably the best decision of my life so far. I loaded my stuff in to the back of a beat-up Nissan 720, drove it over to the high school to return their books and sign a few papers to drop out, continued driving a few hours down the road to Georgia where I unloaded stuff in to storage the next day, then started walking the Appalachian Trail...<p>Just a few minutes ago, I got off the phone with a friend from 500-odd miles in to that walk; he recited a line from Thoreau about most men leading a life of quiet desperation.<p>My friend had to cut our call short, as a childhood friend of his was on another line, presumably with news about their recent stage-4 cancer diagnosis. We&#x27;re talking about a canoe trip, and I very much hope we actually make it happen. But, in the meantime, I have an infinite list of bugs to work on.
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Nevermarkover 2 years ago
I quit what was my dream job for a great many years, but eventually became a terribly frustrating pinching slog.<p>I sacrificed a lot of value and security.<p>I have many more worries today, some more serious than any problem I had at that job.<p>But I feel enormous relief, I sleep better, and between the most extreme hurdles that come by, I am far far happier.<p>I don’t think there is any simple rule for when to change one’s outlook or change one’s scenery. Both are important tools!
mrmincentover 2 years ago
Watching the linked video made me realise how out of step I feel with the rat race now that I work from home 100%. No more stressful commutes, no more suit and ties. I might step into a giant shopping centre once every 3 months, if that. I don’t see adverts anywhere except on my phone when I’m scrolling.<p>I think I’m lucky because I get to live in a very walkable suburb in Melbourne AU. Feels less like a race, and more like a stroll. Instead of quitting and moving to the mountains, maybe just move to a place that’s a bit more liveable and work a job that’s a bit more flexible.
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thenerdheadover 2 years ago
This seems to be a common phenomena. One thing that recently stood out as to why is the flow state famous by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.<p>In short, you might experience flow outside of your day-to-day life (i.e. work). It becomes such an addicting feeling that you try to revolve your entire life around that new sensation.<p>It&#x27;s funny, because much of the time it happens when people do something a bit difficult and outside of their current skillset. For software types it tends to always be something with nature or woodworking.
huitzitziltzinover 2 years ago
Try seeing how fulfilled you are making the least money you’ve ever made! Maybe very fulfilled, maybe not at all.<p>If you don’t like what you are doing, do something else. I don’t know if it’s worth trying to project your personal dissatisfaction into some broad diagnosis of social ills. Many of the alternatives to the rat race are pretty dismal.
dvtover 2 years ago
I might be a bit harsh, but this is a typical western <i>le bon sauvage</i> misunderstanding about what goes on in the wilderness. I also grew up in the mountains (of Eastern Europe), and I equally despise the eye-rolling fakery and the hustle and bustle of modern day Los Angeles. I love camping, and I surf, and kayak, scuba dive, offroad, and explore. But I don&#x27;t make the category mistake of thinking the former is somehow better than the latter. I love the outdoors, but more importantly: I respect it.<p>In LA, I have the luxury of clean water, sewage, medicine, a decent cocktail, and, like OP, make a decent living. It&#x27;s easy to decry modern society because you&#x27;re not &quot;happy&quot; but, imo, that says more about you than it does about what you do.<p>Don&#x27;t think the mountains, or the oceans, or the deserts are an idyllic virginal untouched Eden. You&#x27;re going to end up getting yourself killed like the Into the Wild guy.
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xnxover 2 years ago
Everyone making $200k+ should definitely immediately quit and follow this path so I can swoop in for some of that cash.
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SeattleAltruistover 2 years ago
Kudos! May I suggest ikiagi, the overlap between what you are good at (vocation), what you love (passion), what makes adequate money (profession), and what the world needs (mission). See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ikigai" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ikigai</a>. The Japanese call it &quot;the reason for getting out of bed in the morning.&quot; Best of luck with your continued search for balance in life.
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badrabbitover 2 years ago
Been there, done that. &quot;The rat race&quot; is a very reductionist and naive take. What I found out is, wherever you go, there you are. You must really be at peace with yourself for a change in environment to bring you lasting peace.<p>Mountains, beaches, deserts, forests are all amazing. But you do get used to them and then miss the cool city life and convenience. But wherever you go, you bring your problems with you.<p>The drugs, alcohol,etc... in that video are solutions for the rat&#x27;s unhappiness. It isn&#x27;t the race that is the problem, it is the person.<p>There is wisdom in balance. Make a lot of money with the least amount of work-time and spend that money by traveling or living somewhere nice. Doing fun things. But none of that will solve the sickness of the human soul.
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ideamotorover 2 years ago
His job sounded like a hamster wheel but otherwise, well, it’s amazing how different I am from the author. I view everything about the inner city completely opposite. That’s where the people are, things to do, engagement, social life, the action. He even got to ride a subway. I’m very jealous of what he tossed aside. Meanwhile, it’s not that I don’t like nature but I go crazy stuck without people.
lettergramover 2 years ago
I grew up in the suburbs, in a lower-middle class neighborhood. We were always out in the woods near our house. The children of the neighborhood would work on the horse ranch next to us. Every weekend was all day rugby games in a massive field we had near us. It was great. We weren’t wealthy, but had an amazing childhood.<p>Having lived in multiple major cities — they aren’t ideal. Particularly, for children.<p>With the advent of starlink and wireless networks I think increasingly (I hope) children will be brought up with space. I know with remote work I moved and built a homestead, we are nearly breaking even while supplying all our food. I know me and my family are happier with the space, being outside, etc.<p>Less pollution, less noise, better air, better food, and generally safer.
syndacksover 2 years ago
Me me me me. Virtue signal, virtue signal, virtue signal. I don&#x27;t understand these pieces ... like, quit your job. I don&#x27;t give a shit that you make a lot of money at a bank and you aren&#x27;t fulfilled, what did you think was going to happen?
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bohover 2 years ago
These self-indulgent &quot;I&#x27;m not happy with my high paying job&quot; posts are getting pretty repetative and tedious. Most people don&#x27;t actually work to get &quot;fulfilled&quot;. I guess this must resonate as freedom-porn.
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wnolensover 2 years ago
Ah yes.. the trope of overpaid (with respect to history) millennial writing about their transcendence from this absurd thing called &#x27;work&#x27;.<p>Not judging harshly because I did nearly the same as the author years ago! Only I found a pot of emptiness at the end of the rainbow. I hope he <i>really</i> <i>REALLY</i> likes mountains ;)
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halfmatthalfcatover 2 years ago
After getting up to FANNG-esque levels and seeing the “mountain top”, I’m done too. I’m not sure when or why decide to climb the latter but upon reflection, it just seems so empty. I’m planning on a career change within the next 5 years. Unshackling from the golden handcuffs takes time, especially with a family.
alexpotatoover 2 years ago
&gt; and the water I drink has been recycled many times.<p>Who&#x27;s going to tell him that ALL the water on Earth has been recycled many, many times.<p>As a professor once said: &quot;All the air you&#x27;re breathing and all the water you&#x27;re drinking was the same stuff the dinosaurs consumed and shit into.&quot;
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SyzygistSixover 2 years ago
&quot;If this resonated with you, message me on Twitter&quot;<p>That makes the post ring rather hollow to me. It sounds like they want to monetize their experience of quitting and rejoining nature. Which basically reads like another version of selling the secrets to a 5 hour work week kind of deal.
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Panini_Jonesover 2 years ago
I see software engineers lament about a lack of fulfillment in their career (heck, I&#x27;m one of them). The author doesn&#x27;t have fulfillment and decides that they should quit their job and move closer to nature to be fulfilled.<p>I don&#x27;t really understand the problem or the solution. Is this sustainable? Will the begin to feel unfulfilled in the mountains? What is fulfillment? Could a steady cadence of vacations to the mountains have bridged the gap? Does it require such an &#x27;all or nothing&#x27; solution?
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pointlessoneover 2 years ago
&gt; The truth is: nothing I’ve done or experienced in this place has given me any experience comparable to walking along the ridge between two mountains. Nothing has made me feel alive like getting in to freezing cold water despite my body screaming at me not to. Nothing has made me feel anything like that feeling when you summit a mountain after 2 hours of solid climbing in the rain, and the clouds part to reveal the most spectacular and breathtaking view you’ve ever seen.<p>It&#x27;s true by definition. One experience is not like the other.<p>The tone hints at what OP prefers but it&#x27;s rather easy to come up with a statement pointing in the other direction. &quot;Nothing has made me feel anything like that feeling when you get out of a nice warm bath, dress up nicely, walk to your favourite local restaurant with your mates and get a your favourite meal with a nice glass of wine.&quot; Or whatever tickles your fancy.<p>&gt; The best part about those things is that there is no booking system. There is no door security choosing who gets in because there is no door. It’s all there, ready to be experienced, and free.<p>There are many other free things out there. Starving in the African heat. Freezing under shelling somewhere in Ukraine. Dying of incurable disease.<p>At the same time, there are many things ready to be experienced that are not free but, I&#x27;m sure, OP can easily afford. A nice meal in a good restaurant, a movie, a coffee with a friend, a book, comfort of his home, a trip to wherever his childhood was.<p>I suspect, even his quitting is not entirely free. It probably comes from his privilege to be able to not work for a while and be able to afford all the gear he needs for mountaineering. It&#x27;s not a critique of his choice. I&#x27;m glad he has the option to choose and doubly so that he&#x27;s happy with the choice he made. I&#x27;m critical though of OP implying that that option is the best. That it&#x27;s obviously betters, and free on top of everything, but somehow overlooked buy everyone.<p>I understand how big city can be overwhelming. Referring to it as &quot;Rat Race&quot; is a little dramatic, I&#x27;d say. The toon paints a bleak picture that reflect only one side of the modern city life. Retreating to mountains is only one way to deal with it, too. And it&#x27;s on the more severe side of possible solutions spectrum.
viktorcodeover 2 years ago
Remote work would help the author tremendously. He could have enjoyed his favourite countryside without ever needing to go to the office.
test6554over 2 years ago
I&#x27;m terrified of retirement because then I would be &quot;free to do all the stuff nobody else wants to do&quot; around the house. From the rat race to the rat trap.
KronisLVover 2 years ago
What I feel is perhaps missing here is some sort of a plan, so the author can either generate enough income or control the spending well enough not to become homeless. It&#x27;s nice to (hopefully) have savings for these sorts of situations, but for many out there the end result of something like that would be eventual financial peril.<p>I recently also submitted my own resignation, except I&#x27;ve figured out that my current savings could last me around 3-5 years, so my plan so far is to take one year off work for personal projects, books and other ways of upskilling myself, as well as handling various larger events, such as moving to the city from the countryside (healthcare or even getting to the store is problematic otherwise), as well as just hang out with friends occasionally and visit some museums.<p>Though maybe my plans are too much work and too little play.
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crawsomeover 2 years ago
&gt;I’m excruciatingly lucky to have been in the right place at the right time<p>This article is just another reminder that techbros making bank can afford the luxury to save-up a few years, and spend years contemplating their self-realization. I&#x27;m glad the author was able to finance their perspective-changing journey, but reading this is less of a lesson, and more of reading that someone won the lottery.<p>You can only leave the rat race if you can afford to... The rest of the earth can&#x27;t do this and the author is writing from a place of great (earned) privilege. Must be nice.
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paulpauperover 2 years ago
The rat race and BS jobs&#x27; are not that bad. You get paid good money to not have to expend much effort .many people would love such a privilege. Look how many applicants white collar companies get. Low paid jobs are just as tedious or worse, but obviously lower pay...having to death with &#x27;Karen&#x27; customers and such. There are many stories of people on reddit (such as investing and &#x27;FIRE&#x27; subs) and here doing their &#x27;4 &amp; 10&#x27; and having a large nest egg to show for it,
ChrisMarshallNYover 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve mentioned before, how I had to have done [to|for] me, that which I could not do for myself.<p>I was told &quot;Go away, old man. No one wants you.&quot;, in, pretty much, those words.<p>Hurt like hell, but after I got over my sniffles, I learned to &quot;lean into&quot; my exile.<p>I just released a new kernel for the app I&#x27;m working on. I budgeted two months for it, but got it done -at much higher functionality than planned- in five weeks.<p>The difference in my development velocity and product Quality is nothing short of astounding.
Minor49erover 2 years ago
I wonder if the author is the type of person to use up all of his vacation time or let it build up
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nine_kover 2 years ago
If you&#x27;re well-off, have no dependents, and can also work remotely, why not enjoy the mountains, the nature, the beauty of the great outside? Do yourself a favour.
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greggman3over 2 years ago
Hey, if being in nature makes you happy good for you but your outlook on the rest is kind of crap.<p>Me, best time in my life, commuting in Tokyo to my jobs working on a project I loved with people I loved. All the ads on the trains were eye candy to me. I didn&#x27;t buy anything that I remember but I did find out about museums, concerts, and other events around town as well as various obscure services which I never used but was amused to read about.<p>Drinking with my buddies, including work buddies about once a week was great. Clubbing, going to restaurants, and going to events of the kind that generally only happen in giant cities was lovely.<p>I like the occasional trip to nature but as for me I&#x27;ll pick the city and the public transportation. I love it!
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yawnxyzover 2 years ago
&gt; Around the 30 second mark is a scene where the protaganist rat is waiting for a train to arrive at a packed platform<p>I was visiting London and took the train in the morning to the airport (this is a really bad idea), and saw that exact thing play out. Some girl was smushed into the crowd in train by someone outside so she could make the train, like a cartoon character.<p>Definitely convinced me I couldn&#x27;t do a 9-5 after that
mooneaterover 2 years ago
How much of this would be fixed if you lived in the woods and did the same job remotely (which is my situation with similar work).
garganzolover 2 years ago
I currently live in a less densely populated area than before. And it feels terrible - I want to bring my rat race back!
jehbover 2 years ago
Having &quot;quit the rat race&quot; last year, spending much time in the mountains just like the author, and now finding myself back in the corporate world again, I do have one piece of advice.<p>Do not let your job become a part of your identity.<p>I work just as hard at my new job as I did at my last one, but in my mind, they&#x27;re just a client I&#x27;m choosing to offer services to at this time. I&#x27;ve made many good friends through work over the years, but now my loyalty to my friends is independent of my loyalty to the companies for which we work. I used to use the demonym of my place of work to tell people about myself; now I describe myself by my hobbies, my beliefs, and my aspirations.<p>Did that solve everything? Of course not. Late-stage capitalism is still riddled with bullshit. But I do sleep better at night.
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8bitsruleover 2 years ago
John Perry Barlow, &quot;The Pursuit of Emptiness&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;asap&#x2F;2001&#x2F;1203&#x2F;096_print.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;asap&#x2F;2001&#x2F;1203&#x2F;096_print.html</a>
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rubicon33over 2 years ago
Posts like this frustrate me.<p>&quot;I&#x27;m quitting! But I&#x27;m not telling you anything about how I plan to pay for life.&quot;<p>The message mostly resonates with me, right up until they leave out the most crucial part of the post. How do you escape the rat race, and still pay for things like health care, food, rent, etc.<p>Even if you&#x27;re making $100k+ a year, those costs aren&#x27;t insignificant. No how do you handle them making $0k a year?
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jacknewsover 2 years ago
Can I have your old job please?<p>&#x27;The mountains&#x27; are wonderful while you still have a pile of cash to pay &#x27;friendly locals&#x27; to help support your dream, but eventually you will get older, and it will run out...
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lazyeyeover 2 years ago
For a great example of an utterly different way of life, I recommend checking out the TV reality series &quot;Port Protection&quot; where they document the lives of people living a modern-day subsistence lifestyle in a small community on an island in Alaska. The only access is by boat or float-plane.<p>By any definition these people are not rich but they are definitely happier than most city-dwellers IMO. I think there are 6 series now.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt4838586&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt4838586&#x2F;</a>
siftricsover 2 years ago
Steve Cutts&#x27; other piece is very good, as well.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=A-rEb0KuopI">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=A-rEb0KuopI</a>
jaimex2over 2 years ago
Just work from home dude, you&#x27;ll find you can&#x27;t just quit.<p>Society won&#x27;t let you unless you go full drifter and only certain people have a personality for it.
motohagiographyover 2 years ago
Happiness, it&#x27;s what you don&#x27;t have - that&#x27;s the oldest hustle in the world.<p>I was just cursing a pile of sticks that were too damp to light and I was being deprived of the bonfire I had assembled and was preparing to light, and I was laughing because in the words of Buckaroo Banzai, &quot;wherever you go, there you are.&quot; I&#x27;ve achieved a kind of temporary exit for as long as my means permit, and I can say that the real that the rat race conceals is not for everyone.<p>My trip up the hedonic treadmill was such that I even wrote professionally about the sort of things one might buy in the hopes of finding a <i>there</i> there, pitching stories about exotic experiences one could have for the price of a vacation. There isn&#x27;t a there there. There is no yacht long enough, club exclusive enough, view stunning enough, or achievement great enough that it makes you any different from the person standing on the subway platform. You will be the same person. I guarantee that if you flame out of your job, cash in your savings and manage to summit Everest, the first thing you will do when you get to the top is check your phone. The things that seemed so important were only symbolic. Pursuit of symbols specificially disqualifies us from attaining the meaning they represent. Maybe the humility is worth it, as yeah, the things I achieved were symbols that don&#x27;t mean the same things now that I have them, but that&#x27;s the treadmill, the pursuit of symbols and representations - affect.<p>I can say with some confidence that you only actually have what is yours to share, not all of it is good, and meaning only exists in the moment of sharing it. I can also say that unhappy people are not lonely, as their misery and self involvement keeps them from noticing it. I think to really understand what it means to be lonely, you need to find some happiness first, then when you move to share it with someone who isn&#x27;t there, that&#x27;s the feeling. That absence of no one in particular, but with the sense of having lost someone close. It is truly a rarefied experience I am glad to have been able to appreciate, but it&#x27;s not a solution to anything. If you want to exit the rat race, try camping first, maybe a longish canoe trip, or read some good literary fiction. Ultimately, it&#x27;s just you.<p>This is all to say, we invent the conditions we impose on our choosing happiness. They are symbolic and representations, they are not the real, and the real is not far or exotic. It&#x27;s perhaps easier to believe we are unfufilled by our successes, and that there is another life out there if we just leave all this behind, as it puts off recognizing that we&#x27;re probably just idiots in profoundly difficult ways.
tinktankover 2 years ago
Good luck Sean. Hope it all works out for you. I would derive pleasure by transitive closure if you make it out of this hell hole we call work.
BirAdamover 2 years ago
First, this comes off to me as a very privileged take.<p>Second, I do feel the pain of corporate life, and I switched to working for a non-profit because of it. Leaving the city… nah. Just moved to the perimeter and now I can drive 10 minutes to downtown or 20 to the mountains. Why get a septic tank, a well, my own water treatment, and all this other stuff if I need not do so?
raincomover 2 years ago
Everyone access happiness through the world (work, money, people, events, trips, etc). What happens to everyone is this: whatever things that give access to your happiness, cease to be be that conduit to happiness after sometime; so, you end up chasing new things in the world, these new things provide that new conduit to happiness. Rinse and repeat.
friend_and_foeover 2 years ago
Shit, that&#x27;s what I did. I highly recommend it to anyone who&#x27;ll listen.
dqpbover 2 years ago
Not bad, except it doesn&#x27;t show all the amazing things the rats are building.
JSavageOneover 2 years ago
I resonate with this as I type this from NYC, a city significantly more nature-starved than London. I was pretty impressed with the parks and greenery in London. My friend there bought a unit in the first floor of a townhouse with a backyard in a peaceful but convenient neighborhood. Such an apartment would cost at least double in NYC and those sort of places are rare.<p>I&#x27;m definitely not a rural person, but I do think that living in nature has a strong correlation to happiness. I don&#x27;t think the average person in a concrete jungle like NYC is happier than in a random village in the Amazon jungle or the Swiss alps. I don&#x27;t regret my time I lived in NYC though other than that I stayed too long. It&#x27;s fun for a time in one&#x27;s life while one is young, but it&#x27;s not a forever place for most people.<p>Most jobs suck. &quot;Find your passion&quot; is bullshit career advice because a job by definition means selling your freedom (if the job was so much fun they wouldn&#x27;t need to pay you because people would do it for free). Unfortunately the reality is that we must make money to afford a modern lifestyle, and thus if you want financial freedom you will probably need to get a job (yes you can create your own business, but until that takes off you need to pay the bills somehow).<p>I quit the rat race and left NYC to travel the world. After 1.5 years of traveling I started to run amount of money and I reluctantly decided to start working again - this time remotely. But to my surprise I found that I actually enjoyed the new job and had missed having that sense of responsibility (or maybe I liked finally seeing my bank account balance go up and was trying to rationalize it, who knows). But eventually the job started to suck as I realized it was a deadend job and felt like I wasn&#x27;t respected. I was miserable and performing the job was a chore, but I stayed because I didn&#x27;t have the courage to quit a job that paid so well for so little work - the same position I was in in NYC before my world travel.<p>Finally that contract ended, and I was again free from work obligations. This time I set my goal to create my own tech projects with the hope of eventually monetizing them and living off of that. Finally I enjoyed programming again because I was building whatever I wanted.<p>A job fell in my lap with another startup, and I initially didn&#x27;t want to take it because my focus was on my own work. But in the end I decided to give it a chance as I figured it could be a valuable experience, and I can always quit if I don&#x27;t like it. The job turned out to be awesome. Awesome people, interesting problems, and I get a front row seat at an early stage startup. The downside of course is that I have not been able to put as much time on my personal projects as I&#x27;d like, but I am still working on it on the side, and we&#x27;ll see if I can manage them both.<p>Leaving the rat race to travel the world led to some amazing experiences with high highs and low lows. I went from being sick of software engineering to wanting to build my own tech startups - which is my main work goal now. It took me traveling so much I got bored of it until I got inspired to want to build tech things again to solve my own problems. But maybe you&#x27;ll leave forever and prefer being a park ranger in the words - who knows. We&#x27;re all different.<p>In any case I think people should do whatever the hell they want, as no money is worth wasting one&#x27;s life in misery. Worst case scenario you don&#x27;t like living in the nature and can return to London to work at another bank with a renewed sense of gratefulness. Of course most likely you probably won&#x27;t ever return to the same exact old life. Maybe you&#x27;ll work remotely for a startup from the woods, or become a writer, or go completely offline and just live a simpler life. Who knows. It doesn&#x27;t matter as long as you&#x27;re doing you.<p>Either way best of luck on your journey, from one rat rat escapee to the next.
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steeleover 2 years ago
16 days into the new year
outside1234over 2 years ago
&gt; When I cycle I need to cycle through kilometre after kilometre of urban jungle before I see anything resembling a field.<p>This is the exact realization I had that lead me to quit London as well.
d23over 2 years ago
The mountain stuff and diving into ice water doesn’t resonate with me at all, but the burnout at the industry generally does. I’m glad you’ve found something to make you happy.
netfortiusover 2 years ago
Thank you for this!! I finally have one link to send to all those who asked me &quot;why&quot;, instead of getting lost in incomprehensible [to them] explanations ...
shinycodeover 2 years ago
Feels like you just need some long holidays
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travisgriggsover 2 years ago
So which peak is pictured here? I’m visiting the UK this summer. Might want to check that out…
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kovacover 2 years ago
All the best in your endeavours. Hope you will find what you&#x27;re looking for.
jonstewartover 2 years ago
I grew up in a rural area in the US. I love nature and the outdoors. I also love programming.<p>But, rural living is vastly less sustainable on a per capita basis than city living. The elegiac tone of a rural paradise lost is a familiar one throughout the past few centuries. It’s an aspect of “blood-and-soil” nationalism (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Blood_and_soil" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Blood_and_soil</a>) and Boomer-era environmentalism and of Tolkien (so, I guess that’s in order of most to least problematic). It is easy to feel the longing, but it’s also worth some critical thinking.<p>I’ve got a place in the country that I go when I need to get away from the city (and, yes, putting a lot of time and effort into making it sustainable…). I find myself doing a lot of programming there. And then I go back to the city to talk to people about the code, and find out what they’ve been coding.
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mouzoguover 2 years ago
is this one of those thing&#x27;s with OPs parents owning 4 properties or something...<p>i&#x27;m glad you were able to quit. i did see that video recently and found it a bit cliche but well made.
SnowHill9902over 2 years ago
First step to quitting the rat race is to quit being a rat.
bix6over 2 years ago
Sean, you should consider reading Be Here Now by Ram Dass
generatedover 2 years ago
&quot;The ultimate capitalist luxury - the illusion that I was not participating in capitalism.&quot;<p>-Kirsten Hacker
audiodudeover 2 years ago
God I hate nature
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