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Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

135 pointsby x86hacker1010over 2 years ago
Life is pretty absurd and wonder more and more why we put so much stake into a job when the employer effectively doesn&#x27;t care about you.<p>Anyone taking some time to do cool stuff?

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anthropodieover 2 years ago
I am happy with my current employer but I always liked Paul Graham&#x27;s idea of not having a boss[0]. I had read it quite a while back but here&#x27;s the gist of it:<p>Paul mentions that we work best when we work in a group of 8-20 people in a flat structure like our hunter gatherer ancestors use to do. Each member have their own roles and responsibilities and each individual contributes the well being and future security of the group. Such a group is optimal communication wise and it also offers greater incentive for it&#x27;s members to work harder as you are directly participating in your own growth unlike our current structure where people are helping other people get rich.<p>This is very extreme take but imagine if companies are capped at 20-50 employees. Will it work? I think it might. What do you guys think?<p>0: You were not meant to have boss - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;boss.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;boss.html</a><p>Edit: rewording.
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yawnxyzover 2 years ago
Got laid off in 2017 and never got a real job again. (I have a UX background)<p>1. I immediately went to Spain to do the Camino de Santiago. Was learning building web apps (Meteor) and launchd a full landing page &#x2F; swing dance registration site while on the Camino.<p>2. Learned React and a few other tools after that, tried to be a consultant for a year. Then tried to launch a bunch of projects (&quot;startups&quot; if you wanted to be generous with that term)<p>3. Met my partner (and now cofounder) at a swing dance, who showed me microbiology and &quot;the potential of phage therapy&quot; because doctors weren&#x27;t getting access to it<p>4. I created a random side project connecting docs with phage labs with her (now six years ago). We started connecting docs and labs, and have since taken on 40+ cases, and successfully treated two. Last year we moved to Sydney to essentially run a translational microbiology lab &#x2F; phage therapy clinical trial — she&#x27;s the microbiologist and I&#x27;m the research software engineer. We&#x27;re just treating our 4th patient now. I&#x27;m building data collection tools for our bioinformaticians, doctors&#x2F;nurses and microbiology lab, and trying to scale this project up using automation tools and robots. We&#x27;re creating reports for the TGA to make sure our preps are safe. There&#x27;s lots of work in areas I&#x27;ve never deal with (data science, stats, building full stack web apps, dealing with OpenTrons, REDCap, and a billion other tools).<p>It doesn&#x27;t pay nearly as much as tech, but it&#x27;s the most absurd thing I could ever do as a &quot;UX designer&quot;
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thewoprover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m going to finally try to start my own company. Will it be a &quot;startup&quot;? I don&#x27;t know. But it will be technical and it will go from 0-1 (or from 0-0).<p>After years of lurking here, watching on the sidelines, working for larger companies, having kids, buying a house, I&#x27;m finally going to take the dive. I&#x27;m excited, nervous, lost, all at the same time. But I have enough savings and an accommodating spouse, so I don&#x27;t have to work for a while.<p>I&#x27;m a long-time academic, turned ML-practitioner. I have no major online presence. I don&#x27;t have a brand. But if anyone is interested in talking, DM me, I have lots of time and am still in the divergent phase of entrepreneurship.<p>Edit: Added email address to profile. Excuse the confusion, I have been a lurker too long.
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f6vover 2 years ago
Your employer doesn’t care about you the same way your parents would. Good employers care about enabling you to do your job effectively and efficiently. But it’s all transactional. Doesn’t mean that you can’t find an arrangement that’s good for both you and employer. But don’t ever think it’s like a family. Saves you a lot of frustration. See it for what it is.
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ArcMexover 2 years ago
Not laid off but I quit my job 7 months ago to start my own company.<p>Just the admin of setting up and running the day-to-day has taught me a lot.<p>But the biggest lesson I learned is that I have the capacity to research and implement technologies new to me in relatively short amounts of time to make meaningful impact.<p>In addition, my confidence has improved and I am more likely to accept challenging work within my domain than ever before.<p>What I am doing running a small business is not cool in the context of the OP and the discussion, but it&#x27;s cool to me in the sense that I did something I once feared and stuck with it.<p>Thanks for sharing, everyone. Really cool projects. Take care.
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IAmGraydonover 2 years ago
I don’t need my employer to care about me. I have a family and friends for that. At work, it’s a business transaction. I provide them with value and I’m compensated with money. I increase the value I provide and I can demand more.
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bradlysover 2 years ago
Absurd, most definitely.<p>I got divorced about a year and a half ago. I’m 32 - for what it’s worth. In June, I left my job and SF. Put all my stuff in storage and went to the east coast for a month then went to Europe for 3 months. After all that, I committed to getting a six month lease on an apartment in Manhattan. Been here since November.<p>I haven’t worked at all. Maybe done a total of 20 leetcode problems but I spend way more time reading about layoffs and hiring freezes than interview prep. Mostly have spent my time at the gym, Broadway shows, meeting new people, and watching a lot of content online. I go out social dancing 5x&#x2F;week and to the gym about the same amount. I’m trying to get better at yoga and getting a v-taper at the weights. I’d go out more but it’s hard to find the dances on some nights. (Sunday’s and Monday’s are particularly slow in nyc)<p>The absurd part is that I’ve done all of this in hopes of meeting a fantastic woman and seducing her to come to SFBA where I can start a family, build a house in the Santa Cruz mountains, and enjoy the region.<p>It is quite absurd - mainly cause it has no chance in hell of working but it wasn’t going to work in SF either. We’ll see where I end up moving next - too ugly and too much melanin for Manhattan.
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AxEyover 2 years ago
Not laid off but on an extended sabbatical.<p>I&#x27;m working on a Rust library for SAT solving and other things informed by John Harrison&#x27;s text on Automated Theorem Proving.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;aetilley&#x2F;harrison-rust">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;aetilley&#x2F;harrison-rust</a><p>This is largely for me to to learn Rust, but I think it may have the potential to turn into something cool. Next on the todo list is optimizations to DPLL as the existing implementation is currently in its most basic form (I skipped optimizations there for the time being in order to move on to predicate calculus).
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tprophetover 2 years ago
The amount of personal investment I have in an organization is directly tied to my personal upside. If it&#x27;s my own company (I have run two startups) then I live and breathe it. If it&#x27;s a Fortune 500 company or the government or whatever, then I give full effort, but I won&#x27;t grind up my health or personal life. That&#x27;s possibly justified with an 8 or 9 figure potential exit, but it&#x27;s definitely not justified for 5 figures worth of stock.
MrLeapover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m ahead of the curve of this wave, but I&#x27;ve been making a first person Lovecraftian text editor rpg where you type into a mechanical typewriter as a tentacle monster. Exports .txt files, has printer &quot;support&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;LeapJosh&#x2F;status&#x2F;1552977798452609024" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;LeapJosh&#x2F;status&#x2F;1552977798452609024</a><p>I started the autumn after covid reached America.
i_have_an_ideaover 2 years ago
I have not been laid off, but, as a contractor, I am well-aware that, at any point, I could have no income. I like golf and I&#x27;ve noticed there aren&#x27;t many good sites on the internet, so I&#x27;m trying to build a golf portal. So far, I&#x27;ve implemented a very basic golf odds aggregation service -- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.golfodds.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.golfodds.io&#x2F;</a> if anyone wants to check it out. I plan to work on it in my spare time and build it up. Also open to any cool ideas, if you want to share -- feel free to email me from the site.
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noahthover 2 years ago
I worked for several years as an independent contractor; when my last big project ended several months ago, I decided to take a sabbatical for the climate. So far that has meant spending more time with my kids, learning to compost, building some new raised garden beds, mending some clothes that I previously would&#x27;ve replaced, reading more books, and various other little things. I plan to start volunteering soon with the local tool library, and there are tons of other things we&#x27;d like to do to reduce our budget and carbon footprint, when we can get to them.<p>I know not everyone can afford to &quot;just take time off&quot; but among those laid off from a tech company and browsing HN, surely some fraction of you could afford to do the same. You will still have a career to come back to if you spend a year turning your attention and energy to the climate crisis. BUT if you&#x27;re under 40 or so (I&#x27;m 37), you may find that there is not a recognizable planet to come back to if you continue to focus on your career until the retirement age we were brought up to expect.
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tukantjeover 2 years ago
Constantly battling with issues of self worth and suicidal thoughts since I&#x27;ve got laid off so that&#x27;s about it. Being a migrant, who is laid off, who is&#x2F;was a sole bread winner does the trick I guess.
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_jcrossleyover 2 years ago
I’m taking some time to study classical guitar with a private teacher at ~conservatory level. Feels like my form of “quitting tech to work on a farm”.<p>I’ll also work on my own personal projects and see if any of them can gain enough momentum as a lifestyle business to avoid returning to soul-sucking BigTech.
picturover 2 years ago
We need to get rid of the bullshit about companies trying to connect with employees. As the company grows, it does not benefit the employee at all, but the bosses still wait for more effort. The biggest problem of modern man is being pushed into such stupid sentiments.
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ChristopherDrumover 2 years ago
My last day is scheduled for around March 31 (I have vacation I can use between then and now). I&#x27;m currently thinking about what I want to do with my time off. I will have the luxury of being able to do NOTHING, if I so choose, for a while. I live in Japan, so I will first have paperwork to do (switch visa status, get health insurance squared away, etc)<p>For the cool stuff, I&#x27;m thinking of picking a project&#x2F;skill each week and devoting a full week to that, to see if I enjoy it and can get any mental traction. Becoming more proficient with pure C has been a lot of fun, so I&#x27;ll definitely push forward on that. I have a couple of Pico-8 projects to work on. There&#x27;s any number of opaque or classical technologies that I&#x27;d like to understand more deeply. I&#x27;ll enter a game-jam, just to keep myself on a proper schedule with a proper deadline. There are a lot of books I want to read.<p>At some point though I&#x27;ll need to collect my thoughts and start looking for the next thing. I have recruiters already knocking on my door, and the company will pay for 6 months of job agency assistance. But to tell the truth, I just can&#x27;t see myself jumping back into software engineering as a full-time career so I don&#x27;t yet know how best to utilize these resources. Sorting myself out is a critical goal for the coming months.<p>&quot;What do I want to be when I grow up?&quot; is almost as difficult to answer at 51 as it was at 18.
malux85over 2 years ago
I learnt unity and then added a websocket server to the game, build a virtual lab, and then wrote a simple JSON api so I could create geometry, materials and lighting to the scene.<p>Then I modified my quantum chemistry simulation platform (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;atomictessellator.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;atomictessellator.com</a>) so that it would use this Python&#x2F;websocket interface to a running 3D engine to visualise the molecular simulations<p>Why? It’s fun and I wanted to see if it would work.
throwawayeng999over 2 years ago
Has anyone tried consulting as a DevOps or SRE?<p>The grind and the firefighting is forever and endless, and the new services you have to learn, the dev and product demands that are poorly planned, make one want to quit, and consult on specific projects. CI CD pipelines, and general purpose SRE project consulting.<p>I&#x27;m thinking about quitting in a high cost of living place and living off of savings will I search for gigs and build a network.<p>Is that absurd?
quechimbaover 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve been working on a web framework in Ruby. It&#x27;s inspired by all the JS frameworks, but uses Haml instead of JSX and all code is executed on the server, and patches are streamed to the browser.<p>I&#x27;m about to run out of money so I&#x27;m planning to move to the Amazon rainforest where money will last longer...
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mortenjorckover 2 years ago
I’m getting back into my synesthesia art project: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;testfixture.presteign.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;testfixture.presteign.com&#x2F;</a><p>(Running on Grav with Turbolinks; visuals made in Affinity Designer; audio made in Reason)
compton93over 2 years ago
Haven’t been laid off but I see it coming in the next few months. I do DBA&#x2F;performance tuning on MySQL, Postgres, SQL Server (and recently Cockroach). Being remote in Australia makes it hard to get another job so I’m thinking to learn a trade and exit tech as a career.<p>Recently I got into using mono.Cecil to rewrite c# assemblies (specifically assemblies created by IKVM). I haven’t had a personal project in years but this has definitely reignited a spark, so I’m going to try for a remote software engineering job first.
jeniwrenover 2 years ago
Love this question! My husband was laid off recently and it feels like his free time instead has been accosted by our young children and house renovation:&#x2F;<p>Related note, I came across this newsletter which goes into more detail about our “work” identity and how your employer doesn’t (to your point!) “care about you”<p>(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wokescientist.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;work-life-balance-is-a-capitalist" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wokescientist.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;work-life-balance-is-a-...</a>)
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sacnoradhqover 2 years ago
Never depend on an employer for balance-sheet or income-sheet security.<p>It can only be had through ownership. Ownership is harder and riskier.<p>Worker-owned co-ops are the way to go, not megacorps.<p>Startups are special kinds of fast growth businesses that are rare and rarely successful. They exist, but there aren&#x27;t many. There is a lot of money thrown at startups because the upside is potentially very lucrative, e.g., IRR positive.
emh68over 2 years ago
I haven&#x27;t been laid off, but due to the economy I&#x27;ve been trying to come up with something I can do to become self-reliant. I&#x27;ve built a forum platform, and I&#x27;ve been buying up ___forum.com domains and pointing them at it. So far it has been costing me lots of money, and no users are showing up, but it&#x27;s my vision and I&#x27;m not going to give up so easily.
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revskillover 2 years ago
Yes. I&#x27;m making a YAML to SQL converter here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yaml2sql.netlify.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yaml2sql.netlify.app</a>. It&#x27;s mostly for fun, useless for most of use cases.
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SeanAndersonover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m proud to say I am taking some time to work on cool stuff! It&#x27;s definitely in the &quot;I should start coding and stop brainstorming&quot; phase, but I&#x27;ve been enjoying all the theorycrafting.<p>I&#x27;m creating a web-first colony simulation game. I&#x27;m inspired by SimAnt, RimWorld, idleRPG, and Tamagotchi. My goal is to establish a strong, daily, mental health hygiene routine which promotes box breathing, gratitude journaling, and improved awareness of my health, fatigue, and motivation.<p>The game unfolds on an alien world covered in a thick sea of fog and asteroid impact craters. Huge fog waves roam the planet, splash against the crater walls, and continually intrude with frigid moisture. A damaged terraforming satellite orbits the planet and directs its limited energy towards one crater which keeps that crater habitable. There are three entities in the story: an AI powering the terraforming satellite, the consciousness of a biologist uploaded into the satellite&#x27;s computer, and a fledgling ant colony within the barely habitable crater. The player fills the role of the protagonist, the biologist, and the hostile weather plays the role of the antagonist. The goal is to terraform the planet without throwing it out of balance.<p>The ant colony simulation runs on ~autopilot similar to idleRPG but with slowly unfolding visuals like 1x speed RimWorld. It&#x27;s a real-time simulation which &quot;runs&quot; even when the tab is closed, but is only able to be controlled when the satellite orbits overhead and has line-of-sight with the crater. The queen hatches workers, workers expand the nest, navigate the fog, and search for food. The ants lay pheromone trails to food, but every night the fog rolls in and wipes clean the pheromones. Each day the ants begin searching for food once more. The colony grows optimally given available information, but is not omniscient or even opinionated. The colony will never push itself out of the local maximum of a single crater and struggles with attention due to the fog. Surprisingly, during initial nest expansion, the ants discover a rectifying crystal which allows them to sense electromagnetic waves emitted by the satellite. They develop a ritual around attempting to interpret these electrical impulses which provides a very rough form of of one-way communication from the satellite to the ants. The biologist leverages this communicational channel to assist the colony by providing high-level environmental awareness and opinionated responses.<p>Each day, the player is asked to show up and check-in at a consistent time. The player wants to be able to nurture their colony, but they need to unlock the ability to do so. They begin by engaging with a guided, box-breathing routine while &quot;awakening&quot; the consciousness of the biologist. It&#x27;s effortful for the biologist to take autonomy from the terraforming AI in the same way waking up is effortful and so the player is guided through that process. Then, the player is greeted with a technophilic UI which provides in-depth stats and charts of their colony and the planet. Based on current and projected resources, the user makes a decision to encourage the colony to push harder or to ease up. This influences whether the colony will push out of a local maximum, but comes at the cost of damaging the health of the ants. The player needs to balance pushing the colony to expand into additional land with tapering their exertion to avoid long-term negative effects. Finally, the player is given an opportunity to self-reflect and journal on the goals and progress of the ants. Gratitude journaling provides a means of keeping attention on high-value food resources such that the ants don&#x27;t lose track entirely due to the fog. Non-gratitude journaling (i.e. venting, daily reflections) provide a source of entropy for the weather system of the world.<p>Outside of check-in time, the player is only able to watch their high-level decisions slowly play out over the course of the day. The interface is calming and provides an opportunity for brief respite similar to taking a moment to observe an aquarium.<p>Overall, I am building software to help me be more consistent and diligent in my personal growth and mental health hygiene. Sometimes when I get depressed I stop caring for myself, but I&#x27;m always good about showing up for others. I want to leverage that to promote self-care. Conversely, when I&#x27;m firing on all-cylinders, I tend to think my motivation and determination are limitless. I take on significant personal growth goals only to eventually reach a mental breaking point because I never identify a good time to push less hard until forced. So, I would benefit from a visual indication of where I am at on a motivation&#x2F;determination boom&#x2F;bust cycle so that I don&#x27;t find myself surprised by burnout.<p>I&#x27;ve never really responded well to software that implies I have problems which need fixing. Instead, I do much better when someone tells me a story, I contrast that story to my own, and I succeed in identifying personal growth areas through the reflection. Instead of creating &quot;yet another mental health &#x2F; journaling app&quot; I am interested in telling a compelling, sci-fi story where the protagonist struggles to succeed in their goals due to a failure to acknowledge their humanity. I believe telling this story, while providing tools to participate and a pet to stay attached, is likely to instill long-term changes in those who engage.
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busboyover 2 years ago
Coming from someone whom loves their career(engineering not tech) - I am learning web dev for fun on the side. Got some cool ideas for websites and low effort income streams.
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roombarampageover 2 years ago
I’m working on math videos :) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;@logicaltoroid">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;@logicaltoroid</a>
BuckyBeaverover 2 years ago
I&#x27;m thinking of building a plane.<p>Also a couple of applications.<p>And finally learning to play an instrument.<p>Meanwhile I&#x27;m looking forward to my $440 a week in unemployment!
GalahiSimtamover 2 years ago
Kinda. I started a gap year, thinking I&#x27;ll finalize my Skyrim mod while traveling round the world. Coworkers bade me farewell and wished good luck on my next adventure. Two weeks in, Elon Musk took over Twitter<p>So now I&#x27;m also settling thoughts on my next lifestyle business kind of project, something I kept in mind, though with those AI improvements these days it might get a new flavor