I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.
The one, and only benchmark, I care about is battery longevity.<p>Not how long battery lasts before needing charge, but how many years it lasts before dropping to say 80% of original capacity that it needs to be replaced or the phone needs to be updated.<p>Most, if not all, modern phones are performant enough that I won’t need to update for a long time, if not for the battery issues. At least for my use case.
To all the iphone diehards, I recently switched from Samsung to iphone 14PM and I whole heartedly hate following things:<p>1. The keyboard in ios: its unintuitive and ancient compared to the android counterparts. And No, Gboard, swiftkey keyboard in ios suck equally bad too.<p>2. Battery drain issues: Battery drains randomly, main culprit being "find my" process. This alone drains ~8% of battery overnight on my iphone and ~18% on my ipad overnight even with background app refresh turned off.<p>3. Lack of the back button is a huge pain in the ass. Some apps design their own navigation pattern and it sucks to operate the phone in 1 hand. For e.g, Youtube requires you to pull down on the video currently playing to go back to search results than allowing the native back swipe or back arrow on top left.<p>Meanwhile, I have agree that the apps in iOS are much nicer than the android apps, the same apps I used in android which sucked big time work flawlessly in iOS. FaceID is much reliable than the shitty in screen fingerprint readers in Samsung/Android phones.<p>So both Android and iOS have their pros and cons, and after using both, I can confidently say iphone is not the best phone in the world and user had to experience both to choose what suits them better.
> However, single-core performance is generally considered more important when it comes to overall speed for everyday usage, as most tasks are unable to scale efficiently across multiple cores.<p>Thank you for acknowledging this. I think few people actually appreciate the need for better single-core performance. It's, in comparison, easy to just add more cores and use more power, but what is hard is making one core faster and faster and use less power.
This doesn't really showcase how much Apple's chips are as much as how far Qualcom has fallen behind.<p>On the other hand, the results also show how much work Apple will need to put into their GPUs, as the clearly inferior chip is still beating the iPhone 14 hands down in terms of GPU horsepower.<p>The relevant review, though, is performance per watt. This video (<a href="https://youtu.be/s0ukXDnWlTY" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/s0ukXDnWlTY</a>) from a few months ago explores the power efficiency graphs and that's probably what most phone users really want. Nobody is gaming on their phone until it hits the limits of passive cooling and very few people will need the raw CPU performance for more than a second per page load. I don't even know what intensive single core benchmarks are even good for in real life, maybe Javascript if you're somehow running the JS VM at 100% for minutes straight? That doesn't sound like something I'd want my phone to do!<p>Qualcom's advancements in speed and longevity have been incremental, sometimes even decremental, for years now. Mediatek, previously the chipset for every 100 dollar Chinese phone, keeps closing while Qualcom desperately tries to squeeze just a little more juice out of their cores.<p>Apple's progress is also slowing down, but not nearly as much as their most important competitor's. It's a shame, really. Hopefully Google and Microsoft will develop their own chips for real in the future because you can't just wait for Qualcom anymore. Microsoft REALLY wants a good M1/2 competitor but the other chips in the ARM space just aren't up for the task. I'm sure Google would also love for their Chromebooks to become more powerful, though their own mobile devices seem to focus on midrange performance with benefits in software and dedicated silicon instead of fast general purpose compute.<p>In the end, I have no horse in the game because I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. My current phone is more than fast enough for my needs. The battery is slowly fading but as long as I can still get through the day I'm satisfied. With the absolutely ridiculous prices of phones these days, I'm putting off an "upgrade" for as long as I can.
At this point I really don't care about what is the latest and greatest in phones<p>They are all the same at this point, we are way past when Specs actually mattered(outside of JS performance on mobile, thank you Snapdragon!), they are just too small for anything useful, at least for me personally.<p>I just buy a pixel and install GrapheneOS/CalyxOS on it, and call it a day.<p>Its a phone that works, and I can relatively trust it, certainly more than other spyware, even if sandboxed google services are installed.
Does benchmark results really matter that much for phones? I don't see myself compiling code, playing graphics intensive video games, multitasking with many engineering software running simultaneously, on a phone.<p>Although Apple most definitely still leads on these factors, I think battery life, general latency/responsiveness of doing daily tasks, reliability, etc, are more important than some random coremark.
On a single Geekbench 5 benchmark:<p>> <i>Geekbench 5 scores reveals Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 outperforms Samsung’s latest flagship in single-core performance by 6.15%.</i>
I can't understand who are the people that care about smartphone performance.<p>I do every computation and gaming outside my phone.<p>My Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 from 3 years ago feels as good as when I bought it when reading the net, watching youtube, chatting, emailing or editing pictures.<p>And my Redmi scores 300 in the same Benchmark, where the S22 scores 900, the S23 1500 and the iPhone 14 Pro 1900.<p>Maybe JS performance could be slightly better? But I rarely navigate to such poorly optimized websites.
After having multiple google pixel phones break and never having an iPhone break (after much abuse) I realized that the hardware quality far trumps any software AI voodoo that I care about. Mind you I don’t do fancy stuff on my phone- YouTube, insta, texting, email, slack. The main culprits
The core advantage for the average user of Apple's smartphone chips being so powerful is that they'll get updates for a super long time and remain high-quality phones for a long time.
Just yesterday I was trying to generate a vanity pub key for Nostr. I was using <a href="https://github.com/kdmukai/nostr_vanity_npub">https://github.com/kdmukai/nostr_vanity_npub</a> which uses the python-nostr library which in turn uses <a href="https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1">https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1</a>.<p>The test (single thread with -j1 flag) has some interesting result. Time taken to calculate 1 million keys:<p>i7 8650U=2m5s,
Oracle Cloud A1 VM=3m30s,
Ryzen ThreadRipper Pro 3945WX=3m30s,
GCE VM Xeon 2.2Ghz=6m.<p>So in this particular use case, an 8th gen Intel mobile CPU is the winner. Would you want to use 8650U based on this test result? Probably not.
I do think that phones are in a sorry place - but this isn't exactly why. The industry is still based on the concept of a new model every year, but it has been years since there were obvious & universal reasons to get a new model. The striking thing about this fact isn't that Apple is "ahead" - it's that even though Apple has basically lapped the competition on a technical level it doesn't matter much.
I'm particularly frustrated with the market for phones. I'w not going to buy an iPhone, and I'd really like to avoid the Google ecosystem (eg, by using GrapheneOS). I just received new Pixel 6a phones for me and my family yesterday only to discover that there's no 3.5mm jack.<p>I really feel like old man yelling at cloud, but the more advanced phones and the software get, the more I miss the days of my cheapy Motorola flip phone.
My 22Ultra overnight: loses 6-8% battery life.
My GF's iPhone 14 overnight: loses 20% battery life.<p>My GF uses my phone more than I do because her iPhone is usually dead by the end of the day if she doesn't remember to charge it every few hours.<p>I'm willing to accept a slightly slower phone if it means my phone can make it through the day without me being a hostage to charging.
I will never not think of Apple's Bionacles :D<p>This does look to just be geek bench CPU, and we need to be honest, people play games on phones now so GPU performance matters, so if you're going to make an extreme claim like the headline, you need more than a single category of a single benchmark.
Although an Iphone 15 or equivalent is going to be very incremental, Iphones with USB-C are going to fly off the shelves.<p>Lighting connector is 10 years old now, and is USB 2.0 speed. Still funny to see hotels with the pre-lightning connector and got screwed, but its been a long time now.
An iPhone 7 from not sure how long ago is more than fast enough for everything I throw at it. It gets OS upgrades and just works.<p>The best reason for having a faster chip is that if it gets the job done quicker then battery times will improve.
> Despite being over 6% faster for single-core performance, the iPhone 12 is 15.64% slower for multi-core performance compared to the Galaxy S23 Ultra, with scores of 3867 vs 4584.<p>Sounds a bit like intel vs amd.
Compare it to a Pixel or stock firmware and see if that's true.<p>Even if it is, it's such a huge compromise to use an Apple device given the nannying and lack of features, it isn't worth it.
I wonder how many people who are now saying “we don’t need faster phones” would have been beating Apple up back in the 68K and PowerPC days when Apple’s hardware was slower?
I just downloaded and run the geekbench 5 on my s22 ultra and it showed 1215, instead of 926 listed in the article. Probably other numbers are of similar quality.
And?<p>If you are in the Apple ecosystem, get an iPhone.<p>If you are pleased with Android and not in Apple's ecosystem, then get something like the Samsung.<p>Who the hell cares about this crap?
I'm an Apple user, but I'm not sure what this indicates. How are benchmarks on a phone useful?<p>What matters is user's perceived speed.
It's a single core benchmark, so not surprising. The single core performance has always been a lot better on the iPhones, and you can't fix this in software.
You can produce a multi-core benchmark that makes an Android look just as good as an iPhone, and some apps will be just as snappy. But when using the web browser the difference in performance was noticeable for me so I upgraded to a used iPhone.
whatever the cpu android is bloated. it forces me to prefer an iphone even I dont like apple. I need an ativ S with windows phone like in 2014. Galaxy S23 with W11 would be the best imho. Ativ S was a Galaxy S3 with windows 8 on it
I traded a galaxy S3 + 3 year agreement in for a free S22; can you do that with an iPhone? Seems like we are comparing a free phone to a many hundreds of dollars phone.
Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why?<p>The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else.<p>Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when new types of devices are appearing, like AR glasses. If Samsung and Qualcomm don't catch up soon, Apple will win that space and have an even more unassailable monopoly.
I like my slower android in which I can run my browser engine of choice, install any program I want in an easy way without time limitations and customize it in general as I want. Did I mention that it has a USB-C connector too?<p>Disclaimer: I have an old iphone, used iphone 11 for weeks then went back to Android and I daily drive a M1 Pro Macbook
Why anyone would get a Samsung is beyond me. The amount of bloatware they install is insane and a lot of that you can't even uninstall. Plus it takes so long to get OS updates. And then there is Bixby or what that piece of shit is called.