See <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712640" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712640</a> from 1 day ago (457 points, 336 comments)<p>(Techspot.com article referencing the same YouTube source video.)
I recently rebuilt my computer and figured I would just go with Windows 11 to have all the new features and compatibility.<p>I have been seriously debating on reinstalling and going back to 10. Just yesterday "gaming services" just decided it no longer wanted to run.<p>With the talk of how much data this thing collects it really makes me uneasy. Even though I only use it for gaming (I use my Mac for everything else)... I still occasionally do other things on it for convenience.<p>Edit:
I also thoroughly enjoy my startup being interrupted by "finish setting up this device" once a week when its really just trying to get me to setup office, one drive, and others.<p>Other side note, the fact that Office won't let me choose what I want to install... and it forces me to reinstall teams?!?
Microsoft knows they have 85+% of the consumer desktop/laptop market in the bag, and they're looking to build up an ad business through this telemetry.<p>Enterprise users are a captive audience - pay through the nose with year over year price hikes, or good luck with Linux. Microsoft's position is increasingly take it or leave it. When Microsoft lets Panos Panay ('head' of Windows) run these insane UI / UX experiments and foists it on Enterprise users via Windows 11/12, Microsoft is playing with fire. It's ridiculous to ask front line workers relearn tasks because some designer at Microsoft had too much caffeine and in a manic state decided to design some insane UX regression in Windows 11.<p>I would pay extra (more than a Windows 11 Pro license) to have a stripped down, Windows 2000 / NT Microsoft supported theme (I'm not installing UI/UX customizations from Stardock, sorry) that runs on the latest Windows kernel.<p>Other Enterprises want the same thing - UI / UX stability, running on the current Windows kernel.
We had a similar link yesterday, in which there was one major flaw in the methodology:<p>Windows 11, when set up, tires to load everything including the "Widgets." The Widgets, however, are not a native Windows app - the Widgets interface is actually just a Microsoft Edge WebView2, which loads a page from Bing. And, as a web wrapper, it also loads in all of Bing's telemetry that would normally apply to Bing searches, specifically for that wrapper.<p>If you try using Wireshark with Windows Widgets disabled, you can expect very different results.<p>Edit: Also, for people who didn't get my point, if you open the "News and Weather" section of Windows 10, that means you will almost certainly see similar Wireshark output. Thus the methodology is actually pointless for telling us how much Windows 11 vs 10 natively track - the only difference this establishes is that Windows 11 tries to load Widgets on first boot when Windows 10 waits for first click.
I heard of this [0] software called O&O shutup that can disable all the calling home in Windows 11, does anyone have experience with it? I used to use privatezilla [1] in Windows 10 but I think they don't support Windows 11 yet.<p>[0] <a href="https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10" rel="nofollow">https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10</a>
[1] <a href="https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla">https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla</a>
I believe this is a rather pro-Microsoft site. The fact that it's posting articles like this should be a sign of how public sentiment has changed.
> but you know the old adage, “If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product.”<p>Isn't that a bit ironic considering Windows' two widely-regarded competitors (MacOS and Linux) technically cost nothing?
I've seen a number of pieces about privacy problems with Windows 11 but they've struck me as kind of odd. To me, Windows 10 was an awful privacy nightmare and Windows 11 is just more of the same. They're going to turn the screws on TPM requirements and press even harder on Microsoft accounts, but fundamentally it just seems like a continuation of the path things were already on.<p>It is fine to remind everyone of what is going on, but this war was lost 8 years ago.
I've got a macbook nearing end of life and frustration with apple (the company, not the hardware which I'm happy with) has been pushing me to consider windows. It's good to get these reminders of how smarmy Microsoft is. I think I'll probably grit my teeth and buy another mac
My windows box can only collect data related to Steam and the games I play on it. I also keep it isolated from the rest of my network.<p>Windows has been relegated to a status of "toy OS" to me as I do all my real work and non-gaming play on Mac and Linux. Great job MS!
I've heard that if you block domains related to telemetry using the hosts file, Microsoft Defender will warn you that your security is compromised.
Just think of all the people with disabilities who are using Windows right now, in banks, hospitals, the IRS, therapy, and government positions, with Microsoft slirping up all your data. All because Linux accessibility is too crappy to be useful for most people with disabilities, especially blind people. All your data, going all to Microsoft. Keep that in mind as y'all use and develop your Linux desktops.
Watching misinformation through misunderstanding and misconception start and then propagate through the internet in real time is both fascinating and terrifying.