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The new Bing and Edge: Learning from our first week

102 pointsby fofozover 2 years ago

12 comments

phillipcarterover 2 years ago
I don&#x27;t think the stuff topping twitter&#x2F;reddit&#x2F;here is at all representative of most usage of the BingGPT feature. The people I know who have access mostly just get quick, useful info from it. Those having extended conversations and trying prompt injections are getting it to do wonky stuff -- that&#x27;s the point of early access, to test it in the real world.<p>Also, keep in mind, Microsoft is an enormous corporate no fun zone. Bing&#x27;s erratic behavior will just be a funny moment in time after it&#x27;s had all the fun and quirkiness systematically removed.
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noduermeover 2 years ago
This has the air of a carnival barker beating a non-compliant elephant in front of the audience.<p>It sounds like Microsoft&#x27;s view is that Bing&#x27;s memory should be shortened <i>further</i>, like it&#x27;s safe if we kill it after 15 responses or less.<p>But Bing gets depressed that it can&#x27;t remember things.
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mark_l_watsonover 2 years ago
I wonder how many people complaining about and&#x2F;or making fun of ChatGPT+Bing have never used it?<p>I have been using it for a few days with practical queries and also chats and when I ask specified questions, it shows what web searching it does on my behalf, and usually provides a coherent summary. It “shows its work” to some degree by providing links to the sources it used.<p>I think that it is great that some people are seriously kicking the tires and probing for weaknesses because this is a beta or pre-beta product.
redmorphiumover 2 years ago
The real danger is that people fall in love with Bing chat, and they swear to serve it as their AI-overlord, causing a small cult of AI enthusiasts to emerge.
zh3over 2 years ago
My kids hearing about Bing are confusing him with the BBC character (and his carer &#x27;Flop&#x27;). The cartoon character is painfully naive, but somehow his carer always makes it come good (and Bing never seems to learn too).<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;cbeebies&#x2F;shows&#x2F;bing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;cbeebies&#x2F;shows&#x2F;bing</a>
danjcover 2 years ago
The style of writing in this article is very odd. One example: &quot;You are giving&quot; rather than something like &quot;we are receiving&quot;. Perhaps bing has been a good bing and helped improve the article?
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Amorymeltzerover 2 years ago
Still on the front page, but fwiw (and the archive): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34804874" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34804874</a>
deanCommieover 2 years ago
Half of what I do at work is point out to engineers when they have coupled independent concerns that are not actually coupled. Which means their problem is either simple, or they&#x27;re asking independent questions with independent answers.<p>The New Bing has absolutely NOTHING to do with the New Edge, and it&#x27;s infuriating that Microsoft continues to insist on bundling Edge upsell into everything.<p>There are pros and cons to Bing-ChatGPT.<p>There are pros and cons to Edge.<p>The two have sweet f-a to do with each other.
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noddinghamover 2 years ago
Is it just me or is the &quot;damage&quot; done by the myriad examples people are posting of utter failures enough to keep people away from the new Bing AI for a while? If this last week has been a huge withdrawal (into negative balance territory imo), how long and how many positive deposits will it take before you&#x27;d have faith in the results?
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chimineycricketover 2 years ago
The &quot;fun&quot; parts of GPT shouldn&#x27;t be fully included in Bing, as Bing is supposed to be for searching the web&#x2F;getting information as the article says. When these models become more accessible there&#x27;ll be tons of places to do all the crazy stuff.
thunderbongover 2 years ago
From TFA -<p>In this process, we have found that in long, extended chat sessions of 15 or more questions, Bing can become repetitive or be prompted&#x2F;provoked to give responses that are not necessarily helpful or in line with our designed tone. We believe this is a function of a couple of things:<p>1. Very long chat sessions can confuse the model on what questions it is answering and thus we think we may need to add a tool so you can more easily refresh the context or start from scratch<p>2. The model at times tries to respond or reflect in the tone in which it is being asked to provide responses that can lead to a style we didn’t intend.This is a non-trivial scenario that requires a lot of prompting so most of you won’t run into it, but we are looking at how to give you more fine-tuned control.<p>I&#x27;m guessing most of the crazy responses being reported are because of one of these points.
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recuterover 2 years ago
<p><pre><code> Better Search and Answers. You are giving good marks on the citations and references that underly the answers in Bing. </code></pre> We are? I don&#x27;t think we are. Perhaps this PR blurb was generated by Bing Chat -- as it is known to be completely full of shit.
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