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A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

200 pointsby georgecmuover 2 years ago

17 comments

Overtonwindowover 2 years ago
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myself248over 2 years ago
A funny headline, given that I was just reading up on the history of the &quot;Black Ghost&quot;, a nickname given by other racers to a muscle-car which would dominate Detroit street races in the 70s, but never hung around to socialize. The car would just show up, win, and disappear, sometimes for weeks or months, before surfacing again to win, and again to vanish. Nobody knew the driver, nobody could get a look at him, and he was trying very hard to keep it that way.<p>This blew my mind, as I&#x27;d heard about this car in the 90s from a car-nut uncle, during the time when nobody knew the story, just that the car had stopped showing up in the mid-70s and nobody had ever seen it again.<p>Only in 2014 did the owner reveal his secret. Ultimately his reason for laying low is much more lurid than simply being a pacer like today&#x27;s clickbait headline.<p>(Ur jnf n pbc ol qnl, fgerrg-enpre ol avtug.)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dodgegarage.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;article&#x2F;owners-clubs&#x2F;2022&#x2F;12&#x2F;a-look-at-the-black-ghost-dodge-challenger-and-the-man-behind-the-wheel.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dodgegarage.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;article&#x2F;owners-clubs&#x2F;2022&#x2F;1...</a>
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js2over 2 years ago
In an amateur context, I&#x27;ve paced about a half dozen races, half marathon and marathon distance. I&#x27;ve also served as a pacer for runners in the second half of a 100 mile race a couple times.<p>The purpose of a pacer for amateur runners is to set a consistent pace and provide encouragement to runners who may be running their first race at that distance. Or maybe someone trying to set a new PR. Since most courses are not flat, I actually try to run even effort, and explain that is the plan to the runners I&#x27;m pacing. So we slow down on the uphills and speed up a bit on the downhills.<p>Yes, runners can use a variety of electronic devices (GPS watches, heart rate monitors, accelerometers on your shoe) to try to set their own pace but none of these are perfect. They also require constant attention. And they don&#x27;t provide moral support.<p>Even though I&#x27;m a fairly experienced runner (25+ marathons), I&#x27;ll join a pace group myself when running a new course sometimes. A marathon can be mentally exhausting and it&#x27;s sort of like being able to run on cruise control if you can just fall in next to someone else and rely on them to set pace.<p>Running in a pack is also just easier, not even considering the wind breaking potential depending upon speed and prevailing breeze.<p>On the 100 mile races, runners may have been on their feet for 12+ hours by the midway point and are starting to run into the night. Pacing those runners is really just about moral support and encouragement. Typically they are allowed to pickup a pacer after the 50 mile mark and I&#x27;ll keep a single runner company for say a 12.5 mile lap and then they can switch to another fresh pacer. So they may get the company of 3-4 pacers in the second half of the race.<p>Another example is that large marathons have guide runners to help those who need assistance. Visually impaired runners. Maybe runners with prosthetics who are concerned about being tripped. Etc. I&#x27;ve never been a guide runner but I&#x27;d like to some day.<p>Pacing the 1:50 group in a half marathon:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.ibb.co&#x2F;4gRTjjT&#x2F;FCC9720-D-4-E4-E-4-F74-91-EF-2-FCB2-F82-D746.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.ibb.co&#x2F;4gRTjjT&#x2F;FCC9720-D-4-E4-E-4-F74-91-EF-2-FCB2...</a>
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abalashovover 2 years ago
As a [semi-serious] road cyclist and occasional racer, this reminds me of the duty of &quot;domestiques&quot; on cycling teams.<p>It&#x27;s probably more obvious to this crowd than to the general population, but I&#x27;ll say: because most of a cyclist&#x27;s energy is spent fighting air resistance, (road) cycling as a sport is almost entirely about drag management and drafting other cyclists. That&#x27;s also what makes it a team sport. Riding right behind someone (&quot;on their wheel&quot;) in the right circumstances can save ~25-40% energy, and riding in the middle of a well-developed pack can save quite a lot more.<p>This is very back-of-napkin, in the real world of course varies with many factors: because drag is a square of velocity, this is exceedingly relevant on fast and flat courses but almost totally unimportant at the low speeds of climbs, and of course wind direction influences the outcome greatly, etc. But this is why you see pros riding within inches of each other&#x27;s wheels. Whether you&#x27;re trying to stay with foes or are being carried along by friends, you&#x27;re trying to save energy and avoid being out in the wind.<p>What you see when you watch your local criterium, or the Tour de France, is teams trying to shield their sprinter from the wind to conserve energy (&quot;save their legs for the sprint&quot;). There are lots of things one can do along the way, from sabotaging other teams&#x27; efforts to do the same, to breakaways, etc. But that&#x27;s the basic idea. Your local group ride of experienced folks isn&#x27;t too different; they&#x27;ll generally run &quot;pacelines&quot; and rotate on&#x2F;off the front, taking turns sharing the workload of pile-driving into the wind (&quot;pulling&quot;), and move everyone along much faster as a result. It&#x27;s a skill, but when you learn to do it well and have the choreography down, you can ride your bike silly fast. Technique matters at least as much as power.<p>90% of the people in the TdF are unsung heroes, aren&#x27;t there to win. It&#x27;s only natural to assume that the people on the front are winning the race, but, in view of the energy budget in the above theory, they&#x27;re not. Outside of the last 200 metres or so, anyone on the front of the pack is definitely not winning, and would never win that way. They&#x27;re working hard for someone else. And for most of them, that&#x27;s their career right there.
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everyover 2 years ago
I rabbited in high school. We had an excellent state-level miler who could run all day but had zero finishing kick. My job was to set as fast a pace as I could for as long as I could to wear the opposing strong finishers down. I was usually good for a lap and a half or so. Not bad for a broad jumper...
diceduckmonkover 2 years ago
The article uses the term pacer and rabbit but never really explained what function exactly this type of runner performed for the race organizers. They only alluded to this when mentioning other runners depending on the pacer. A little confused who the intended reader for this article is.<p>I had to follow up with a Wikipedia search where just the usage of the term “pacemaker” or “pacesetter” made things more clear.
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gabereiserover 2 years ago
I went to school with Alan Webb [1]. We were all essentially rabbits to him. I’ve never seen someone run so fast, for so long of a distance, in such a short time. He went on to have an amazing career, obviously.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alan_Webb_(runner)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alan_Webb_(runner)</a>
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infamousclydeover 2 years ago
My partner regularly picks up pacing duties. It&#x27;s pretty common for professional runners, and they receive some modest compensation depending on the size of the meet. Pretty trivial for a 1500 or 3k specialist to pace a 10k, for example. She&#x27;s knocked out an 8:46 3k and is quite literally a human metronome, so it&#x27;s a good go for her. Making sure your splits are even requires a lot of practice, however, and accelerating or slowing down is an unpleasant experience for the rest of the race participants.
m348e912over 2 years ago
Here is the race the article references:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5Lqa36sQhmg">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5Lqa36sQhmg</a><p>BTW it&#x27;s career suicide for a rabbit to keep running and try to win the race
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metadatover 2 years ago
It does seem kind of cheap to rely on a pacer, I can see how purists lament it as &quot;not real racing&quot;.<p>It eliminates an entire dimension from the competition: managing oneself and being aware &#x2F; humble enough to not push unsustainably hard at the start only to run out of juice later on.<p>Using a pacer essentially reduces the race to an artless treadmill grind.<p>As an observer, the paced portion of the race is stupidly boring. The entrants don&#x27;t make interesting moves at all for the paced duration, it&#x27;s as though the race hasn&#x27;t actually begun until into the third lap in a 1-mile race (only 4 laps total).<p>Example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5Lqa36sQhmg&amp;t=111">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5Lqa36sQhmg&amp;t=111</a> (thanks to @m348e912 for the link)<p>Edit: @infamousclyde: Thank you for sharing some of the upsides. Valid point even if still boring for viewers.
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ck2over 2 years ago
There is also a six percent power savings drafting the pacer in running.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;35834628&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;35834628&#x2F;</a><p>That translates to a 3-6 minute benefit in a marathon.
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andaiover 2 years ago
So... is he just really good at running at a specific speed, or what? I don&#x27;t get it.
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chengizover 2 years ago
Clickbait title. I thought it would be some mystery. He&#x27;s just a pacer.
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caminanteover 2 years ago
This service is a &quot;PED&quot; for elite runners.<p>Kipchoge broke the marathon WR with a team of fresh runners to draft off of.[0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.colorado.edu&#x2F;today&#x2F;2022&#x2F;10&#x2F;06&#x2F;drafting-can-save-minutes-marathoners-times-make-official-sub-2-possible" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.colorado.edu&#x2F;today&#x2F;2022&#x2F;10&#x2F;06&#x2F;drafting-can-save-...</a>
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Neil44over 2 years ago
They sometimes have pacers at our local parkrun with little flags for 25 mins, 30 mins etc. It&#x27;s nice to be able to see how you&#x27;re doing without looking at your watch all the time because judging by how knackered you feel is usually way out!
gaddersover 2 years ago
Slightly offtopic - I saw this guy try and run Kipchogi&#x27;s 2 hour marathon pace on a treadmill. Madness: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=kX5riy60oXk">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=kX5riy60oXk</a><p>How is that not sprinting? :-)
urbandw311erover 2 years ago
Curious what happens if somebody tries to overtake the pacer?