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Do Not Trust Employee Resource Groups

20 pointsby tonystubblebineover 2 years ago

3 comments

yodonover 2 years ago
I share the author&#x27;s concern about company-sponsored groups, but I&#x27;m not impressed when the article starts out by citing the &quot;robust literature&quot; that employees can only be productive for under 3 hours a day.<p>Robust literature? A deals website in the UK did a survey of its customers during the pandemic and announced that people work on average 2 hours 53 minutes per day[0].<p>I can imagine no more robust source of hard data on human potential than a blog post about a self-reported survey from the marketing team of a deals and coupons website during a pandemic. But hey, I&#x27;m sure they got great SEO on the article and have great coupons and discounts on stuff.<p>Don&#x27;t cheapen your points by pulling in a bunch of nonsense &quot;statistics&quot; to try to back them up.<p>[0]The firm that did the survey doesn&#x27;t even seem to have any live links to their &quot;report&quot;. The best contemporary discussion I can find of it is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategy.rest&#x2F;?p=3169" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategy.rest&#x2F;?p=3169</a>
shalmaneseover 2 years ago
I think this is an overly cynical take on a promise that either was never made or made cynically without an expectation that sophisticated employees would take it seriously.<p>If you draw the 2x2 of Good for Employers &amp; Good for Employees, ERGs can be helpful in pushing incremental changes that are both Good for Employers &amp; Employees and reducing stuff that is Bad of Employers and Employees. It probably can&#x27;t nor ever really promised to work on issues that are Good for Employees &amp; Bad for Employers and that&#x27;s rightfully where unions play a role and of course executives are already hired to work on the segment of Good for Employers but Bad for Employees.<p>As long as you approach ERGs with this understanding <i>and</i> also the additional understanding that, at most companies, when dealing with marginalized groups, there are plenty of Good&#x2F;Good and Bad&#x2F;Bad issues that deserve work on. ERG groups are pretty forceful in pushing employees away from Good&#x2F;Bad issues, even if they are more important issues to work on because the purpose of ERGs is a channeling force to focus on the Good&#x2F;Good problems.
PheonixPhartsover 2 years ago
One thing I&#x27;ve found interesting about ESGs is a very notable absence of one particular (legally protected) group: 40+ year olds.<p>Ageism is well established as a reality in tech and virtually all of the companies that I&#x27;ve worked at have a very visible lack of anyone over 40+. At the same time this is a protected group that all of us (if we&#x27;re fortunate) should eventually belong to.<p>Same goes for discussions around diversity in hiring. I have never heard a hiring manager even hint that we need more diversity in the <i>age</i> of our team members.<p>As someone in this group I don&#x27;t feel particularly discriminated against on a day to day basis, but I do feel there is an implied rule that you pretend to be younger if possible. Wear t-shirts, mention your kids if you must but don&#x27;t mention that they will soon be old enough to work along side you, don&#x27;t bring up things like divorce (that only happens to old people) and try not to bring up your decades of experience in industry too much.<p>The older I get (and I quite enjoy aging) the more I come to realize that being old is an anathema to the culture of tech (and late Capitalism) which constantly wants to promote neoteny so it can perpetually sell a wider audience new toys. That of course and people&#x27;s very real fear of death, which aging is an annoying reminder of.