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A Philosopher on Drugs

48 pointsby miobrienabout 2 years ago

9 comments

Overtonwindowabout 2 years ago
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its_ethanabout 2 years ago
&gt; But goodness, here I am, still philosophizing like a stoned undergrad in a black-lighted dorm room.<p>Mhmm.<p>Genuine question, and maybe it&#x27;s just something I&#x27;d have to experience to really understand, but why is it so common for people to think psychedelics are opening us up to what is &quot;&quot;real&quot;&quot; or some deeper truth, instead of assuming that the experiences are just what happens when you completely overload brain chemistry in a specific way? You wouldn&#x27;t assume that a sugar high reveals a deep truth about the way humans are supposed to behave, just because people generally react in a similar way after eating a pint of Ben &amp; Jerry&#x27;s.
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corryabout 2 years ago
Quite a read. I enjoyed it. He describes the point of view you get in certain altered states very well, poetically and with subtly that matches my experiences.<p>I’m sure strict materialists will find his characterization of them unsatisfying, and maybe he should have railed against the other extreme (psychedelic woo woo mystics) a bit more to balance it out — he has one quick comment at the end warning against that side — but he ends in a non-committal, I dare say humble spot.<p>It really is remarkable how little — or at all — we allow ourselves to feel the cosmic dread at our unexplained and unexplainable existence. It is the central mystery and (possibly?) horror of our lives, and yet we barely wrestle with it. Or worse we dismiss it out of hand, because we think science has answered enough to make us feel we know reality.<p>But Roger Penrose has a great quote in a interview I saw - he says something like “It’s all well and good to call yourself a materialist, like I do, but honesty then compels you to admit that you’re saying far less than you wish… because we understand almost nothing about what matter is, or what we are, or what ‘knowing’ means…”<p>So what are you left with? Maybe the plants know something we don’t… :)
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vmooreabout 2 years ago
The only person I can think of that described the psychedelic experience as much as possible was Terrence McKenna. What you have to realize is that such an experience is ineffable and can&#x27;t be reduced to mere words. McKenna kind of described it, but not really. Each person&#x27;s experience is different and subjective, yet at the same time having a common thread of being astonishing, earth shattering and cosmic (well, at least, for the positive experiences).<p>Personally, being on mushrooms for me was a simple reminder that we are the Universe experiencing itself, and that it&#x27;s a very vast place, and a reminder that we live in Infinity itself. On psilocybin, time has no meaning, it&#x27;s just a construct of society.<p>One idea I&#x27;ve always had that if we are going to be a space-faring species exploring the Universe, then psilocybin would be a useful tool for doing that, similar to the Spice Melange in Dune. Psilocybin opens up the senses and personally (for me) doesn&#x27;t impair my motor skills. I&#x27;ve always had the fantasy of exploring the galaxy whilst tripping.
DiscourseFanabout 2 years ago
It&#x27;s a good read, but, eh, I don&#x27;t know. I&#x27;ve been there, done that, when it comes both to hard materialism and far-flung spirituality; I don&#x27;t know what the answer is, I also don&#x27;t know if taking excessively high doses of psychedelics actually helped me get there or if it just helped me chill out and stop being so neurotic. I guess, in the end, I&#x27;m comfortable now with not knowing, and that&#x27;s enough--but that doesn&#x27;t mean I&#x27;ll stop asking questions.
m463about 2 years ago
when seeing the article title I thought of the artist who drew many self-portraits after taking LSD.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openculture.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;08&#x2F;artist-draws-a-series-portraits-on-lsd-inside-the-1950s-experiments-to-turn-lsd-into-a-creativity-pill.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openculture.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;08&#x2F;artist-draws-a-series-po...</a>
andsoitisabout 2 years ago
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eimrineabout 2 years ago
&gt; There is something strange in the disinterest philosophers show for experimentation with mind-altering drugs—or at least for talking about their experimentation publicly.<p>Maybe because both activities are illegal in almost all over the world? So sad that we are being ruled by not philosophers.
nilmaskabout 2 years ago
Just for the sake of drawing ideas from far afield, I will make reference to the Hermetic axiom of &quot;as above, so below; as below, so above&quot; for the purposes of this entry.<p>Interpreted through a lens where the &quot;above&quot; corresponds to the mental, ideal, immaterial, the rational and the irrational, what can be very loosely referred to as &quot;the psyche;&quot; and the &quot;below&quot; corresponds to the physical world, governed by the laws of nature; this maxim can be understood to mean, &quot;as exists in the psyche, so in the physical world; as exists in the physical world, so in the psyche.&quot;<p>Our psychological state influences our course of action in the physical world, and the response we get from the physical world in turn influences our psychological state in a mutually reciprocal relationship. What is more significant than just one or the other is the relationship between the psychological and the physical; how thoughts can precede actions, and how actions can cause reactions within the psyche (this is how I understand what Daniel M. Ingram refers to as &quot;Cause and Effect&quot; in his text, &quot;Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha&quot; [0]).<p>Reality exists between these two poles, in that we interpolate between the discrete, moment-to-moment perceptual data we receive from the five sensory organs, as well as the intellectual, intuitive, &amp; psychological data we receive from the sixth &quot;sense door&quot; of mind, in order to construct a continuous view of the world. Thus, I would hazard to claim, if we wish to alter (at least our subjective, or &quot;microcosmic&quot; lens on) our reality, we have the option of either perturbing our psychological state (the way of the Jungian analyst, the mystic, the Yogi, the devotee, and so on), or our physical state (by altering our mundane life circumstance, diet, lifestyle, and so on).<p>I view psychedelics as instrumental in probing the boundary between these two poles of this mutually reciprocal relationship between mind and body, being chemical (physical) agents that induce immediately apparent effects within the psyche; they allow one to explore the ways in which perception and our internal, psychological reactions to that perceptual data are related. Psychedelics are a unique tool that allow one to alter (however crudely, imprecisely, and quantifiable only in the loosest of senses) their psychological parameters in such a way that allows for, at the very least, the base realization that:<p>there is more than one way to think about and perceive the world.<p>To the extent that our thoughts and perceptions about the world influence our actions within it, and the feedback we receive from it, it is at least interesting to temporarily inhabit different ways of apprehending it, to come to a more diverse view of reality that has appreciated it, if only briefly, from multiple different angles. The insights we may or may not arrive at, having contemplated our view of reality from a different vantage point, may reconfigure our internal psychological state in a way that influences future action.<p>The alchemical goal of the transmutation of base metal into gold was more than a physical pursuit; it was a spiritual one, whose object was the reconfiguration of the base psyche, victim to the whims and vicissitudes of the urges and desires of the animal self, into &quot;enlightened&quot; consciousness, continuously aware, present, and able to choose on a moment-to-moment basis the next course of action, however subtle. Through the reconfiguration of one&#x27;s psyche in a permanent and lasting manner (the &quot;magnum opus&quot;), by the Hermetic axiom aforementioned, one is able to forever reconfigure their relationship to the physical world and (purportedly) act within it in a manner that more closely coheres with one&#x27;s personal view of &quot;what is right.&quot;<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mctb.org&#x2F;mctb2&#x2F;table-of-contents&#x2F;part-iv-insight&#x2F;30-the-progress-of-insight&#x2F;2-cause-and-effect&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mctb.org&#x2F;mctb2&#x2F;table-of-contents&#x2F;part-iv-insight...</a>