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Suing to protect right of incarcerated people to receive physical mail

397 pointsby glitcherabout 2 years ago

16 comments

themagicianabout 2 years ago
The amount of Type I errors that get made (that we know about) in our (USA) justice system is really wild when you truly consider the consequences.<p>The Innocent Project estimates that 1% of all prisoners are innocent. Hard to say if that number is accurate, but go ahead and cut it in half if you like. 0.5%. Doesn&#x27;t seem like a lot in percentage terms. But of the 850 people in the jail system that the EFF is talking about here, that means at least 4 people are innocent and can&#x27;t even receive a letter. Imagine if that was you. Man, it&#x27;s hard to imagine. It&#x27;s hard to even imagine.<p>&quot;Nationwide, over 500,000 people are incarcerated in county jails like the one in Redwood City, 427,000 of whom have not been found guilty and are still awaiting trial.&quot; Apply that same 0.5% here, and that&#x27;s 2,135 people. There are literally thousands of innocent people in the prison system. Thousands. A bus seats like 50 people. Imagine 40 buses full of innocent people going to jail, and that&#x27;s the reality we live in.
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Syonykabout 2 years ago
<i>Good.</i> I&#x27;ll have to send them a check and mention it&#x27;s to support this lawsuit. &#x2F;&#x2F;EDIT: Printed, signed, and mailed. I wonder what junkmail I&#x27;ll get as a result of <i>this</i> donation...<p>I&#x27;ve had the recent displeasure of seeing the jail system far more up close than I&#x27;d prefer (from the outside, someone lied and someone I know well ended up in jail for a few months, left with all charges dropped). It&#x27;s an absolutely vile system, and letters were one of the very few ways one could actually have long form conversations without paying through the nose.<p>Every aspect of the system is designed to extract money from those outside. You want to send messages? Great, install this app, add money (of course, a bunch of what you put in goes to mandatory fees for the privilege of putting money in), and then it ends up with pay-per-message with character limits (remember $0.25&#x2F;text?), via an app that is... very permissions-grabby.<p>Should you want to send money through the fee system for them to buy things at the internal store, you pay your fees, and then can either pay online via a &quot;We need to know everything about you&quot; app, or at an in person kiosk, which tries to collect all the same information, including a photo of you, your driver&#x27;s license, and whatever else they can grab.<p>Should you want to set up a video chat, you have to agree to a EULA that, among other things, includes &quot;We will voiceprint anyone on the call and share that with law enforcement, and we will try to biometrically identify your facial features and do the same.&quot; And it&#x27;s $7+ for 30 minutes.<p>Of course, it&#x27;s all logged and analyzed.<p>I understand the need to keep communications somewhat monitored, but it feels far more like a blatant cash grab than anything else, which, given for-profit prisons, it almost certainly is.<p>So, of course, the one thing that bypassed this (letters were opened, read, anything useful like tape on them was removed, etc) has to go away. Because how dare someone be able to actually interact with people outside. If they do that, why, they might not come right back in on release! And that would be Bad for Profits.<p>Cram 80 people in a room built for 20? That&#x27;s fine. Let them actually read letters? Can&#x27;t have <i>that</i>!<p>My opinion of the prison system was fairly low to start with, and it rather exceeded my expectations for just how utterly evil the whole thing is, through and through.
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elzbardicoabout 2 years ago
I think that it is on the interest of society the inmates are allowed to access things that keep their mental health. Being imprisoned is already punishment enough, isolating them completely from society, relatives and friends is akin to torture, and will surely backfire.
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atlasunshruggedabout 2 years ago
If this riles you up and you want to do something, there&#x27;s a new program at Georgetown opening up for technologists called the Judicial Innovation Fellowship which places tech folks with different jurisdictions to help them improve the system.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.law.georgetown.edu&#x2F;tech-institute&#x2F;initiatives&#x2F;georgetown-justice-lab&#x2F;judicial-innovation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.law.georgetown.edu&#x2F;tech-institute&#x2F;initiatives&#x2F;ge...</a>
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chapsabout 2 years ago
Heh, yeah, good. Similarly, Chicago Police Department has denied FOIA requests of people in jail because they claim they&#x27;d have to provide the records as a CD.. arguing that the CD could be used as a weapon.
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kashkhanabout 2 years ago
Mail sent to you is your property. Intercepting it in transit is highway robbery.
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kepler1about 2 years ago
I agree that forcing people to read their mail on only certain devices at certain times under supervision is not a human-being-respectful rule. But there is also the consideration that probably it&#x27;s there for the reason of preventing drugs from being laced into the mail, even into the very paper.<p>How about they do the simple step of scanning the mail, and reprinting it for the inmates to receive a physical copy? Of course, then you get into the problem of how much a markup is the shitty jail company going to apply to that.
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lackerabout 2 years ago
As an EFF supporter I&#x27;m a little worried about this phenomenon where nonprofits sprawl out into many unrelated areas. The ACLU, for example, started off very focused on civil liberties but in the Trump era it seemed to generalize into opposing everything Trump did.<p>Which, I mean, I don&#x27;t support the average thing that Trump did, but it started to feel like donating money to the ACLU was just the same as donating it to the Democratic Party. And isn&#x27;t someone else going to be better at spending that money effectively, if your area of expertise is &quot;everything&quot;?<p>Similarly, here in the Oakland area I was looking for food banks to donate to, but there seems to be no organization that simply provides food to needy people. Everything I could find was like, well the <i>name</i> of our organization is the Oakland Blah Blah Food Bank, but in practice we regrant donor money to many other causes, we do many other things, we don&#x27;t really just provide food to people.
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Overtonwindowabout 2 years ago
We have such a vengeance and retribution obsession in the US. Priaon should be about rehabilitation. Nothing else seems to be bringing down the recidivism rate, maybe it&#x27;s worth a try.
pallas_athenaabout 2 years ago
Sorry if this doesn&#x27;t add to the discussion, but:<p>I read <i>incinerated</i> instead of <i>incarcerated</i>. I wondered for a couple of seconds what the hell it was about. Cremation?
jmclnxabout 2 years ago
To me, that seems to break a law about people opening First Class Mail addressed to someone else. I thought doing that was a Federal Offense.
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ed25519FUUUabout 2 years ago
As a prior ACLU supporter, I eventually switched over all of that monetary support to the EFF, whose litigation matches much closer to what I believe are broadly important civil liberties.<p>ACLU meanwhile seems obsessed with limiting my 1A right to free speech, which is baffling. Not even to mention 2A rights.
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dkuralabout 2 years ago
Land of the free.
newaccount2023about 2 years ago
Aryan Nation members once started a race war in the PA penal system by sending orders written in pee on otherwise innocuous mail<p>when exposed to heat, the letter in question revealed an order to go to war with a black prison gang<p>I agree with the EFF case, but this prohibition isn&#x27;t just a random infringement
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anonymouse008about 2 years ago
Yeah this “digital solution” is just the prisons’ responding to current behaviors.<p>There’s a story that people were high as kites while incarcerated and no one knew why for the longest. Then an officer saw someone lite up a page of the holy bible that was shipped in, and it all clicked. Shipped in bibles were soaked in narcotics - no one thought to check.<p>So, it’s really not a nefarious conspiracy - it’s just trying to combat the ingenuity of the population. I wish that brain power was better tended to earlier in life since they’ve proven to be that brilliant.
tpmxabout 2 years ago
&gt; <i>This lawsuit also marks EFF’s commitment to stopping the current trend that seeks to privatize aspects of the carceral system for profit</i> as well as strip privacy away from incarcerated individuals.<p>Scope creep? [Clarification: Not the lawsuit itself, but the first part of this sentence.]<p>This is the <i>Electronic Frontier Foundation, &#x27;The leading nonprofit defending digital privacy, free speech, and innovation&#x27;</i>.
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