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Tech entrepreneurship and shifting sentiment

56 pointsby jenthovenabout 2 years ago

28 comments

doodlesdevabout 2 years ago
You know what the biggest problem for me is with tech and computers in general? I don&#x27;t think tech companies have actually made the world better, in fact, every single day of my life I can see countless examples of how the technology gold rush has generated worse outcomes for everyone involved. I love computers, but I also have to admit most of my problems in life come from them. Companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars, developers study for years, but we still get low quality software everywhere that instead of solving issues they create more.<p>Life could be simpler. It used to be simpler. And I believe it will go back to be simpler when our minds get rid of the haze this technology gold rush has created, and we simply as developers and users start valuing free software, simplicity and consistency. I&#x27;m just not confident it will happen soon, though. I think we still have at least a few tech bubbles and a few thousand startups before we reach that point.
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Aprecheabout 2 years ago
I disagree with the premise. In my eyes, it was always hated.<p>The narrative from my perspective (admittedly supported only by anecdata) is that people in the industry felt like it was loved because they loved themselves and only listened to themselves and others like them. Much in the way a CEO in a room full of yes-men might think the whole world loves them.<p>Maybe what&#x27;s happening now is the yes-men are gone and the hate is finally coming from inside the house?
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braingeniousabout 2 years ago
These sorts of posts are genuinely comical!<p>&gt;When I started Kapwing in 2017, it was cool to be a tech entrepreneur.<p>… to you. It was cool to you to (categorically) be a tech entrepreneur. I think it is possible that “tech entrepreneur” as a monolithic “cool” category only ever existed inside the minds of that same group.<p>&gt;Why Do People Hate the Tech Industry Now?<p>Again… I think it’s possible that the author’s perception has shifted, and as such their perception of humanity has shifted with it.<p>I have a few questions for anybody here that feels like SVB&#x2F;other recent events has unveiled some sort of <i>new or previously hidden</i> disdain for self-described tech entrepreneurs.<p>1. When was the first time you heard the term “tech bro”?<p>2. The TV show Silicon Valley was developed a decade ago by Mike Judge (the creator of the wildly popular comedy King of the Hill) and aired its first episode not long after. Who was the intended audience?<p>Was it: A. People that the show was about<p>B. A much larger group of people that had already found tech “culture” to be comical or absurd in their own life experience regardless of their involvement in the industry<p>(It’s B)
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snickerbockersabout 2 years ago
Article doesn&#x27;t mention this, but Silicon Valley has a very intimate and very lopsided relationship with everybody at an individual level. It&#x27;s constantly spying on you, censoring what you want to say, and trying to introduce you to new things and people whether you like it or not. Of course people are going to hate it, it&#x27;s an abusive relationship. The onus is on silicon valley to step back and respect everybody&#x27;s boundaries.
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Havocabout 2 years ago
I&#x27;d say the article is missing the real reason.<p>The &quot;owner&quot; of what shade blue a button is makes 500k while someone doing elderly care or construction is making a fraction of it. (exaggerating ofc)<p>For anyone outside of the bubble of proud button owners club that looks like something has gone horribly wrong. It&#x27;s not unlike the dislike towards bankers and lawyers: High comp, low or negative perceived societal value.<p>Of course there are still plenty areas where there is innovation and value add but as the industry matures it gets closer and closer to the above.
djha-skinabout 2 years ago
Mismatched title. Correct title is &quot;Tech Entrepreneurship and Shifting Sentiment&quot;. Surprisingly good read.
blobbersabout 2 years ago
People have always hated the tech industry. They&#x27;ve been throwing tomatoes at google buses in the mission for 10+ years.
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lucasyvasabout 2 years ago
Working in it, I don&#x27;t like it anymore - I would raise my eyebrow considerably high at anyone claiming they loved it 100%. Maybe it&#x27;s because all jobs kind of suck in a way, but it definitely fails to live to its claimed prestige in my books. There are definitely bodies in all the closets and you don&#x27;t have to look very far to find them. It&#x27;s a cultural issue and it seems systemic at this point - I say this as someone extremely privileged.<p>I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s just tech though - this seems symptomatic of a larger societal issue and trust across everything is broken.
tombertabout 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve been a software engineer for awhile now, about 13 years full time, and I&#x27;ve grown to dislike the tech industry, but a large part of me wonders if I&#x27;ve simply become cynical enough to realize that tech isn&#x27;t any better than any other industry like I previously thought.<p>I like my job, I&#x27;ve made a lot of really great friends, and I love hacking on software, but I&#x27;ve grown incredibly frustrated with how every tech company tries to convince me that I am saving the world by making the rich executives even richer. I hate that there&#x27;s this bizarre culty loyalty expected of you at all times at FAANGs. I despise the double standard of &quot;taking responsibility&quot; that workers are supposed to have that executives simply lack.<p>Honestly, despite having worked in the industry full time for 12 years at the time, it took me being fully laid off last year to truly realize that it&#x27;s ok for me to roll my eyes when given the typical bullshit; it&#x27;s not a problem with me, and I suspect most professionals in most other industries have been doing that for forever.
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hegelguyabout 2 years ago
It&#x27;s pretty obvious why people hate the tech industry - perhaps not recognizing this is symptomatic of the problem. (As a partial participant in this industry, I&#x27;m personally ambivalent.)
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komali2about 2 years ago
&gt; The pandemic and dispersion of tech talent. SF used to be a mecca of tech talent: events, dinners, summits, etc that brought optimistic entrepreneurs together<p>This is a good thing, because people were under the mistaken impression that tech talent in SF was uniquely special or good. My theory is that the money and, more vaguely, the inspiration, of the region was infectious to those that were able to come and work there. A sort of mild self-selection but also a privilege open to only a few.<p>Meanwhile the rest of the world is stuffed full of people who are just as capable of making it at any &quot;cut throat&quot; startup, or starting such companies on their own, but don&#x27;t live in such an environment where they can make the kinds of connections they need to make to get funding, or aren&#x27;t getting a huge salary that lets the live comfortably while building personal projects, or the other things that make silicon valley such a hub for this sort of thing.<p>Hopefully now those effects disperse across the world and we get access to all the wildly different kinds of ideas all across the world. Maybe it&#x27;ll mean less uber for x, CRM for y, CMS for z type products.
WalterBrightabout 2 years ago
&gt; People thought depositors should lose their money because they made the “irresponsible” decision to bank with a large, stable, well-known public institution.<p>It&#x27;s always irresponsible to put all your investments into one location.<p>I once asked my dad where our family record player came from (it was a nice machine). He said it was what he got when a bank went bust.<p>You&#x27;ve heard the advice - diversify, diversify, diversify. It&#x27;s the responsible thing to do.<p>I have a friend who uses a password manager, so he only has to remember one password. I tell him if that password gets compromised, or the manager gets compromised, he loses <i>everything</i>. He&#x27;s unfazed by that risk - &quot;can&#x27;t happen&quot;, he says.<p>SVB put all their assets into T-bills. Then the Fed raised interest rates, the value of the old T-bills sank, and SVB couldn&#x27;t cover its liabilities. It&#x27;s just as irresponsible of SVB to put all in one as it is depositors to put all in one.
anileatedabout 2 years ago
Working in tech feels like the antipode of being a frontline worker. Hard to blame this attitude either, more so with each day.
kazinatorabout 2 years ago
&gt; <i>When I started Kapwing in 2017, it was cool to be a tech entrepreneur. People looked up to techies</i><p>What a sweet, innocent child.
mentalpiracyabout 2 years ago
Tech used to be a promise: we are building the better, faster, cheaper future right now. Tech was delivering novel new experiences, new networks, new entertainment, and enabling a way to live your life that was completely different than anything in human history that came before it.<p>People loved tech because it fulfilled its promises.<p>Now?<p>Tech is intrusive, deceptive, and outright predatory.<p>Tech is the constant harassment to sign up for a newsletter, that you&#x27;re running out of your free articles.<p>Tech is convenience fees, cleaning fees, venue fees, existence fees.<p>Tech is my television interface changing every few months.<p>Tech is not having a way to opt-out.<p>Tech is having less control over the objects I own now compared to what I bought ten years ago.<p>Tech is paying subscription fees for everything now.<p>Tech is destroying mass public transportation so they can sell me an idiotic car tunnel.<p>Tech is reducing my existence to a set of data points to be milked for revenue.<p>Tech is spending $$$ on electronics only to have them bricked remotely when the company goes under.<p>Tech is filling up my trash can because I&#x27;m blocked from fixing anything myself.<p>Tech is the new paywall on the old website that built it&#x27;s value on open access and user contributions.<p>Tech is the faceless extractive hostility that is relentlessly turning everything to absolute fucking garbage.<p>People hate tech because tech doesn&#x27;t give a single fuck about people.
shadowofneptuneabout 2 years ago
The article starts its point-of-view in 2017. Even by then, there were indicators times had changed. The regulatory and political environment was <i>very</i> favorable in the Clinton, Bush, and Obama years. The Internet was privatized rather quickly and without much room for public comment.<p>The reasons listed in the article apply for people who watch very closely—for most people who are not very tuned in it&#x27;s a result of public opinion being swayed in the other direction by political figures. Whether it&#x27;s due to wariness of a increasingly consolidated and powerful sector, collection of personal data, or because of perceived censorship, it adds up.
clircleabout 2 years ago
Author doesn’t seem to understand that you can be in favor of tech entrepreneurism and opposed to an increase in banker moral hazard.
zemoabout 2 years ago
&gt; When I started Kapwing in 2017, it was cool to be a tech entrepreneur.<p>by 2017 Shark Tank was eight years old and Gwyneth Paltrow was a judge on apple’s short lived startup show that flopped. I really don’t know how much more obvious it could be that the trend had already jumped the shark in 2017.
lisasaysabout 2 years ago
<i>People thought depositors should lose their money because they made the “irresponsible” decision to bank with a large, stable, well-known public institution.</i><p>Unnamed, hypothetical people may have said this.<p>But this wasn&#x27;t what the twitter post that that snippet linked to actually said.
s1monabout 2 years ago
&quot;When I started Kapwing in 2017, it was cool to be a tech entrepreneur. People looked up to techies.&quot;<p>There are always some people who have hated whatever new people have moved into the SF Bay Area and taken over things since before written history. It&#x27;s a perennial Gold Rush. Each round of new arrivals thinks that they&#x27;re coming here to be a part of something new and exciting and that they care deeply about the area and making sure it doesn&#x27;t lose its special qualities. The reality is that there was all this amazing stuff that happened 10, 20, 50, 100, 500 etc years ago, and in a way nothing is new.<p>The &quot;tech&quot; industry of various flavors has had very mixed reactions at least back until the Luddites. Certainly in 2017 some people hated everything the &quot;techies&quot; were doing and wished they would stop. People were literally protesting Google Buses starting in 2013 as an embodiment of what tech was doing to destroy SF. [0]<p>(I&#x27;m not saying I don&#x27;t like &quot;tech&quot; - whatever that is. I moved to SF in &#x27;94 to be part of whatever zeitgeist was happening back then - the web, whatever Wired Magazine was hyping at the time, cyberpunk, raves, etc.... I&#x27;m sure the generation before me was not all happy about that, and I know people my age or even younger who would prefer not to have so many people with insane tech salaries and techno-libertarian ideals distorting the economy.)<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;San_Francisco_tech_bus_protests" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;San_Francisco_tech_bus_protest...</a>
analognoiseabout 2 years ago
&quot;The lack of in-person community made the tech industry more transactional and less inspiring than it was pre-pandemic.&quot;<p>Tech was always inauthentic and transactional, it just masked that not having ridiculous layoffs. Now that mask is gone.
plaguepilledabout 2 years ago
I don&#x27;t think people hate all of tech. FOSS is still beloved. Small dev team projects are still supported outside the tech community. Its just SV and its very... Clintonesque(?) brand of doublespeak is becoming a bit trite.
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jurassicabout 2 years ago
Tech has definitely lost some of its shine, but I wonder if we’re assigning too much weight to the opinions of a relatively small number of loud mouth bullies on Twitter.
aehardingabout 2 years ago
Relevant song (rät)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KqyXvMrQDk8">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KqyXvMrQDk8</a>
irrationalabout 2 years ago
&gt; Some of tech’s heros have fallen. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates’s marriages fell apart. Elon Musk did some weird stuff and got into the Twitter debacle.<p>These guys are all billionaires. There is serious animosity toward billionaires right now. I think it is more their being the .1% than their marriages failing.
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ideamotorabout 2 years ago
Much of the tech industry is not about tech now. The actual tech was successful. Now, it’s all about locking up platform monopolies while confusing luck with ability and spreading that belief via right-wing libertarian politics. How many large “tech” companies are actually tech now?<p>Most are concerned with locking in customers, force feeding them ads, and caving to their worst instincts in the process. Crypto, as mentioned in the article, is a great example of all these. That “industry” has nothing to do with the tech.
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Syonykabout 2 years ago
Yes, sentiment has changed. And from within the tech industry, apparently, the blinders are still as strong as ever...<p>The quote about &quot;It&#x27;s hard to force a man to understand something when his salary is dependent on him not understanding it&quot; is relevant here. If you&#x27;re in the tech bubble (and I use that term broadly to include &quot;Most tech companies and surrounding companies&#x2F;cities&quot;), and don&#x27;t regularly interact with people outside it, or pull back out of it and analyze it, you miss it.<p>&gt; <i>Startup fraud genre. ... The media frenzied around Elizabeth Holmes’ trial and sentencing.</i><p>No. Most people outside the tech industry <i>don&#x27;t care.</i> If they know anything about Holmes, it&#x27;s probably that the company outright lied about it was doing, repeatedly, over and over, across the board, and are pleasantly surprised to see that they actually faced consequences, because the normal tech industry path is that you lie to everyone, defraud investors, and still come away clean with your golden parachute. Which is <i>utterly</i> unlike the rest of the world, in which there tend to be consequences for actions that most people would consider &quot;criminal.&quot;<p>You can only hear about how some new startup is going to &quot;disrupt&quot; some industry, based on what are pretty clearly absurdities to every normal person, before you expect the next one to go down in flames too. Most people have the good sense to recognize that &quot;I&#x27;m going to sell you $10 of services for $8, but I&#x27;ll make it up in volume!&quot; either means you&#x27;re going to try for monopoly and raise prices, or you&#x27;re full of crap.<p>&gt; <i>The crazy rise and fall of crypto.</i><p>Again... what percentage of people were actually invested in crypto enough to even know or care? Go do one of the &quot;Man on the street&quot; surveys and ask people what Bitcoin is worth, +&#x2F;- 10%, and you&#x27;ll go through a lot of people before you find anyone even close. But, yes, a lot of people have heard the breathless hype about how Crypto Will Change Everything, and... it turns out to have been nothing much more than speedrunning the history of why we have various financial regulations.<p>&gt; <i>Past technology waves – mobile in the late 2000s, social in the early 2010s, and cloud in the mid-2010s – brought time and money savings to the average consumer and office worker.</i><p>They... sorry, what? Having to buy a new phone every couple years and pay $100&#x2F;mo for a cell connection sure as hell wasn&#x27;t saving money vs the previous, and having your attention weaponized against you didn&#x27;t really win much goodwill, even as it was very profitable for a short period of time. &quot;Cloud&quot; is, similarly, something that <i>most people</i> don&#x27;t know or care about. And I&#x27;ll suggest that if you want to do anything serious, especially if you need a lot of disk or RAM, &quot;colo your own boxes&quot; is a far cheaper solution than cloud for quite a few companies. Also harder to compromise than cloud boxes.<p>&gt; <i>Some of tech’s heros have fallen. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates’s marriages fell apart. Elon Musk did some weird stuff and got into the Twitter debacle. Even beloved founders like Jack Conte and Patrick Collison got some bad press.</i><p>Nobody cares about Bezos and his marriage. Bill Gates is quite past many people caring about him. Elon Musk, though... yeah, he&#x27;s gone from savior of the planet (through his companies that will be very profitable to him) to &quot;Loose cannon on deck.&quot; And I guarantee most people outside tech circles have no idea who Jack Conte and Patrick Collision are. I&#x27;m in tech, and I had to look them up.<p>&gt; <i>VCs funding unsustainable business models.</i><p>Yeah, when they go about &quot;disrupting&quot; things and leaving a hot mess behind themselves, people get a bit annoyed. When &quot;E-Scooters&quot; get dumped by the thousands and end up broken and blocking sidewalks, or rusting in ponds, yeah. You annoy people. When the &quot;tech solution&quot; to something means that the old methods that work get ripped up, and then you&#x27;re left with something that half works, but is worse than old stuff, people might be annoyed. And, as I mentioned earlier, most people outside tech have the good sense to recognize that while selling a $1 bill for $0.80 may rack up the &quot;unique eyeballs,&quot; the path to profit with that business model is pretty iffy.<p>=========<p>You know why people hate the tech industry? Because they&#x27;ve wedged themselves into everything, and <i>made it suck more,</i> in pursuit of glorious advertising profits.<p>Because <i>everything</i> is now trying to be a &quot;smart device&quot; that has a short service life, that you can&#x27;t easily repair, and that exists to collect data on your behavior and shovel it into the mill that tries to influence your thinking so you {vote right, buy right, think right, etc}. For someone else&#x27;s paid value of &quot;right.&quot;<p>Because they&#x27;ve shoved their noses into every part of life, trying to intermediate every single human interaction. It&#x27;s not enough to be a useful tool. You have to collect <i>all the attention</i> for your ads. Ping. <i>Beep.</i> Check me! <i>Look at ME!</i> A modern phone, in the sort of &quot;default configuration,&quot; is horrible to use, because everything is constantly vying for your attention and streaming your behavior upstream, on a device you paid for, with a data plan you pay for. Good deal, for someone. Not the end user, though.<p>And then all the stuff about the ties with the government, with Twitter more or less jumping to service at the whims of various three letter agencies, the data flows to police, etc... doesn&#x27;t make a lot of people very happy.<p>I grew up with the promises of the internet, and I&#x27;m pretty well over the whole thing at this point. I lurk in my niches, occasionally venture out, but... overall? The experiment has been an utter disaster. &quot;Social&quot; media as a concept is fine, but as an implementation, every single version seems to have ended up in the same &quot;Drive outrage, anger, and division, to stoke more time on the site, to drive more ad views!&quot; sort of sewer. We&#x27;ve replaced old, rugged phones with smartphones that are an utter pain to use in a lot of ways, expensive to buy, expensive to service, expensive to repair, that are, as much as they possibly can, just spying on our activities to sell us more things.<p>That&#x27;s before looking at the security of our systems, which can&#x27;t keep secrets, because they&#x27;re too complex for even the people who make them to reason about them. If you&#x27;d told someone in 2010 that within a few years, processors wouldn&#x27;t keep secrets at all if you knew how to speculate your answers, you&#x27;d have been thought a loon. Yet, that was the state of things. Apple gave up, because even with their sandboxing, zero-click attacks were a thing (Lockdown is nothing more than an acknowledgement that complex software cannot be verified to not be a trainwreck). And it goes on.<p>It&#x27;s not a utopia. It&#x27;s a dystopa. And the people driving it have no clue.
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thefzabout 2 years ago
I do not hate the tech industry per se. I have come to hate capitalism bitterly.
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