And 4 days ago the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority regulator said...<p>"...The Swiss National Bank SNB and the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA assert that the problems of certain banks in the USA do not pose a direct risk of contagion for the Swiss financial markets. The strict capital and liquidity requirements applicable to Swiss financial institutions ensure their stability. Credit Suisse meets the capital and liquidity requirements imposed on systemically important banks. If necessary, the SNB will provide CS with liquidity..."<p><a href="https://www.finma.ch/en/news/2023/03/20230315-mm-statement/" rel="nofollow">https://www.finma.ch/en/news/2023/03/20230315-mm-statement/</a>
Recent and related:<p><i>Switzerland Weighs Full or Partial Credit Suisse Nationalization</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35219363" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35219363</a> - March 2023 (97 comments)<p><i>UBS offers to buy Credit Suisse for up to $1B</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35218296" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35218296</a> - March 2023 (118 comments)<p><i>UBS in talks to acquire Credit Suisse</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35203775" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35203775</a> - March 2023 (44 comments)<p><i>Credit Suisse borrows more than $50B from Swiss National Bank</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35177523" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35177523</a> - March 2023 (9 comments)<p><i>Credit Suisse shares fall to record low as top investor rules out more funding</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35169184" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35169184</a> - March 2023 (4 comments)<p><i>Credit Suisse sheds nearly 25%, key backer says no more money</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35166892" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35166892</a> - March 2023 (575 comments)<p><i>Credit Suisse finds ‘material weakness’ in reporting, scraps exec bonuses</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35151690" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35151690</a> - March 2023 (98 comments)
“UBS Group AG Chairman Colm Kelleher said he will rein in Credit Suisse Group AG’s investment bank, a unit that has racked up losses in recent years.<p>“Let me be very specific on this: UBS intends to downsize Credit Suisse’s investment banking business and align it with our conservative risk culture,” Kelleher said Sunday at a press conference announcing the deal.”<p>— <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-19/ubs-s-chairman-vows-to-shrink-credit-suisse-s-investment-bank" rel="nofollow">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-19/ubs-s-cha...</a><p>Oof. Sounds like a lot of CS investment bankers are going to be out of a job soon.
The Swiss Bundesrat (Alain Berset and Karin Keller-Sutter), Finma (Marlene Amstad), SNB (Thomas Jordan), UBS Group (Colm Kelleher) and CS (Axel Lehmann) will give a media conference at 19:30 Swiss time.<p>The fact that UBS is present should more or less confirm that there is a deal between CS and UBS.<p>Latest reports also state that the SNB is going to be providing 100B in liquidity to UBS if they need it.<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmT0-w_0Ex4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmT0-w_0Ex4</a>
This deal stinks of panic. I know they’re rushing to calm the market but I think it will have the opposite Streisand effect. Last week it was 30B CHF now they’re throwing 100B CHF to make it work? Something is terribly wrong with CS book.
It's far from clear what this buy/bailout does to "end" the crisis. Was the crisis caused by Credit Suisse being too small?<p>> The plan, negotiated in hastily arranged crisis talks over the weekend, seeks to address a massive rout in Credit Suisse stock and bonds over the past week following the collapse of smaller US lenders. A liquidity backstop by the Swiss central bank failed to end a market drama that threatened to send clients or counterparties fleeing, with potential ramifications for the broader industry.<p>This makes more sense. It's an attempt to manipulate world financial markets. But if the deal doesn't address the root cause, the same situation will repeat soon enough.<p>There's also this from a different article:<p>> The deal caps a highly volatile week for Credit Suisse, most notably on Wednesday when its shares plunged to a record low after its largest investor, the Saudi National Bank, said it wouldn’t invest any more money into the bank to avoid tripping regulations that would kick in if its stake rose about 10%.<p><a href="https://www.krqe.com/news/business/swiss-to-hold-news-conference-amid-credit-suisse-troubles/" rel="nofollow">https://www.krqe.com/news/business/swiss-to-hold-news-confer...</a><p>So maybe there's something to be gained by making UBS/CS bigger. It allows investment by other private parties that would have otherwise triggered onerous provisions.
> institution known for Swiss stability<p>Hah!<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_Suisse#Controversies" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_Suisse#Controversies</a>
I am a bit surprised and a bit unhappy that last week SNB said they gave a credit line to credit suisse after which i put a bit of money. And in one day after that, they did this merger without a shareholders vote. I would have honestly been happier as a swiss taxpayer and investor in both UBS and CS to lose my money in CS and let this piece of junk fail instead of bundling it to ubs now. Now i get UBS share to ratio 22.48 CS shares to 1 UBS. First thing every investor (including me) in UBS will do tomorrow is to get out of UBS, so even though currently i get say .74 chf per share, i won't be surprised if UBS is down 20% tomorrow or even 50 or who knows how much.<p>I would have been happier, if they just nationalized the bank and unwound it, even if i got less pennies per dollar invested or even zero. Now we will get another bank that will be holding the baggage. Amazing :|
They will be paying just 9% of the market cap from a week ago.<p>EDIT: This is likely wrong, it's probably more like 20+%, I was using the $.27 a stock from an earlier price of about 1 billion. It appears that the actual price is more than 2 billion.
Livestream in English/German with Swiss Govt., Finma, National Bank, UBS Group and CreditSuisse right now:<p><a href="https://www.20min.ch/story/jetzt-informiert-der-bundesrat-ueber-den-cs-deal-943868196474" rel="nofollow">https://www.20min.ch/story/jetzt-informiert-der-bundesrat-ue...</a>
> Regulator Finma said about 16 billion francs of Credit Suisse bonds will become worthless to ensure private investors help shoulder the costs.<p>That’s a funny way of saying “we’re gonna punish everyone who previously lent money to CS.”
We are still flattening the curve.<p>What is happening right now is the byproduct of governments not wanting to face an economic crisis and a health crisis at the same time.<p>Now the health crisis is over (or better yet the panic around COVID has subsided) now we have to face the economic crisis that comes with closing down the world for 2 years.<p>We have only just pulled that forward. There is no free lunch.
I've heard the same thing 15 years ago, when they bailed out UBS. Now, here we are again. They're even invoking emergency law to ship this deal.<p>We ought to amend the constitution, in two ways: clawbacks for variable compensation in too-big-to-fail banks and add such irresponsible behavior to the criminal code.<p>It is time for prison for those responsible for this fiasco.
I love the Bloomberg headline. It does not say "... in Historic Deal to End the Credit Suisse Crisis." Instead, it says "... in Historic Deal to End Crisis." On the remote chance that you thought there might be some sort of global bank crisis, Bloomberg tells you that it is already ending. Since Bloomberg tries to manipulate people's perception so openly (most people do not read beyond the headline), this makes me even more worried. What else its out there that they don't want me to know?
So what happens to the Archegos bags CS was holding? Why would UBS willingly take on such deep exposure?<p>We're in a weird timeline when the investors on /r/SuperStonk begin accurately predicting the future.
This is the problem with banking - they mess up, get bought buy a competitor to sweep the problem under the carpet and kick the can down. this reduces competitors in the marketplace. Eventually there is a state bailout
I'm glad they managed to get something done before Asia wakes up. We are pretty much dependent on a relatively stable financial market. TBH I'm a bit scared that a financial meltdown is imminent and many of us will lose jobs in a sudden.
Anyone have more information on the "emergency measures" that the Swiss govt used to skip the 6-week shareholder approval period? Couldn't find more information in English apart from the fact that they were being used and it seems very unlike Switzerland which has a reputation for very slow moving politics in general.
Interesting ongoing Twitter space with several Financial Industry veterans discussing this. Going as of 1:30 Central and will probably go at least another 2 hours. Mario usually gets some fairly large names to show up.<p><a href="https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal</a>
What just happened? On Friday CS was borrowing money from the Swiss national bank to buy back it's own debt and their stock seemed stable. They had just published a quarterly report showing a 14.1% CET1 ratio. Why sell at less than half Friday's closing price? Was a bank run in progress?
Pretty scary that our financial system can't take a few weeks of deliberation and the deal needs to rushed during the weekend.<p>Instead of general ranting I would like to learn who exactly goes bust if we allow the uncertainty for a few weeks? Is it more than just a gift to shareholders and market speculators?
Oh great, more corporate consolidation. That'll be great for consumers.<p>Frankly I prefer the US solution of seizing a bank and stripping it for parts.
Man, this was more serious than I thought. They rushed to get the whole thing done during the weekend and pushed it through bypassing all the shareholders.<p>This year is getting worse by the minute. Insane inflation killing many industries. AI threatening to take jobs - and probably actually taking a few art jobs. Now cascading bank runs and the end of one of the oldest banks in the world as an independent entity.
Just writing down here as a memoir looking back at this news in 10 years, as we look back now on the fall of Lehman in 2008 - we can say that “we were there…”