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Farewell Stack Exchange

1233 pointsby dkoover 13 years ago

45 comments

sriramkover 13 years ago
I feel like all of us owe a big thanks to Jeff. It's hard to imagine writing any code these days without Stackoverflow. It definitely made the web better for me, and I suspect, any other developer out there.
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martincmartinover 13 years ago
One day when I worked at Rockstar Games I was walking through the lobby and bumped into the technical director's wife and kid. I said "hi," and the wife was very apologetic, explaining that she knew their daughter couldn't see her father for yet another night in a row, but just wanted to spend 15 minutes with him. I just remember walking away thinking "I'll never be that kind of father." I left a few months later.<p>Outside the games industry, though, the usual response when a company grows, and you can't give significant equity to new hires to justify crazy hours, is to change the company culture to have closer to 40 hours a week. Both ITA software (which PG mentioned in Great Hackers) and Endeca, two successful pre-liquidity-event companies when I joined, had normal working hours. Is that only true in Boston, or in SF too?
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staunchover 13 years ago
&#62; <i>It's been almost exactly 4 years</i><p>Funny how often you read that in resignation posts. Four years is typically when one's shares become fully vested. At this point there's no way for him to make significantly more money from working at Stack Exchange.<p>It's perfectly logical to quit now, to either 1. Relax (maximizing family happiness) or 2. Start a new company (maximizing economic opportunity).<p>Considering how recently they pivoted into a VC-backed company it seems rather too soon for a co-founder to be jetting though. Wonder if Spolsky regrets backdating their vesting schedule (if that's what they did). Might be a bit of a cautionary tale for founders.
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jxcoleover 13 years ago
I deeply respect Jeff's decision to put his family first. I have a general question though. I am an ordinary programmer at an ordinary job working ordinary hours. From those of you who have started their own project full time, is it impossible to run a start up and work ordinary hours? Or is it really necessary to sacrifice all other aspects of your life to be successful?
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MrFoofover 13 years ago
Jeff's presence will be missed, but the man can't be faulted. His priority is his family, and he's sticking to his guns. Good for him -- seriously!<p>Honestly I had been on the fence about changing jobs until recently. I'm single and I realized that I haven't been on a date in a long time. Wolfram Alpha places it at about 3300 days (just over 9 years). I've made a good chunk of money, but all in all it's not worth the sacrifice of everything else I care about. I'd rather be at home trying to make video games and start dating again while I'm still (barely) in my 20s, so that's what I intend to do.
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bryanhover 13 years ago
Very few things have changed the face of programming as much as Stack Overflow did. I'm not sure that the Exchanges foray into other subjects will yield as successful products, but one can dream.<p>For fun, I even did a quick look at my Chrome history for last month: only 2 days had my not visiting StackOverflow.com.
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ThomPeteover 13 years ago
There is much to be said about this. Personally the story is extra important as I am about to do probably the exact opposite.<p>I am 38, have a son at 2 and a girlfriend. Co-founded a company in 2005 here in copenhagen and grew it to 60 people in 2008 and now around 30.<p>March 1st I am out of there. I sold my shares in stable company and is going to New York and work with another company there.<p>I will leave my son and GF back in cph and hopefully convince them to move with me later on. Until then its going to be 3 weeks out of every month in NY.<p>It's not a rational choice it's certainly not a 100% a popular choice.<p>But my take on this is a little different than Jeffs and that is perhaps because I still feel I have something to prove :)<p>But I am thinking that even though I want to be around my son I also want to be more than a dad for my son. This I believe is going to be important especially when he grow older.<p>Perhaps if I did a huge exit I would think differently, perhaps I am being selfish.<p>But life is short and complicated and at least for now this seems to be the right thing to do all things taken into consideration.
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dazbradburyover 13 years ago
I, and many others I'm sure, owe a huge thanks to Jeff. 99% of the time, searching an error message from a compiler/framework I'm less familiar with + "stackoverflow" yields a well written, well explained solution to the problem - this solves a huge problem with overcoming undocumented code, and corner cases.<p>Not only that, but StackOverflow is often the de-facto place for a response to a technical problem of any kind. Heck, some companies even use it as a method for responding to queries about their product - one example I noticed the other day: <a href="http://blog.appharbor.com/2012/02/02/announcing-pricing" rel="nofollow">http://blog.appharbor.com/2012/02/02/announcing-pricing</a><p>This is a result of such a thriving community, which Jeff has made possible through StackOverflow. So I just want to say thank you, for advancing the pace of development on the web and beyond.
jroseattleover 13 years ago
Good call, Jeff. From someone who made a similar decision not so long ago, you've made a very good decision.<p>As was explained to me with my own family: your job/company/career will never hug you back.<p>I used to approach my career with the standpoint of figuring out how to manage my time to wrap my family into the schedule. Now I do the opposite -- I figure out how to manage my time to put my career around my family.<p>Interesting thing I've found: I'm <i>better</i> now than I was before. Making a family investment decision, for me, has paid off in spades.
yalestarover 13 years ago
I followed the entire genesis of StackOverflow pretty closely via Jeff &#38; Joel's blog posts and the first go 'round of the StackOverflow podcast.<p>During that time, and to this day, I never ceased to be impressed by Jeff's committment to making the web a better place for programmers and the general public too. He never got mired in startup-speak; you never got the idea he was just in it to sell it, and even once they got some VC backing, you never got the idea he was planning to just sit back and collect the money. Just a no-BS guy in every regard.<p>It's obvious to me that when Jeff does something, he does the shit out of it, and I can't imagine that parenting will be any different. We could use more people like him in every part of life.
spjwebsterover 13 years ago
As a relatively recent parent myself (with another on the way) I can definitely relate to wanting to put family first. It's terribly cliché, but little people really do grow up quickly, and it's all too easy to assure yourself that next year is the year you'll slow down.<p>Good luck Jeff, and thanks for heping to rescue us from experts exchange.<p>P.S. Am I the only one that found the accidental relevancy of the post footer amusing?<p>&#62; [advertisement] What's your next career move? Stack Overflow Careers has the best job listings from great companies, whether you're looking for opportunities at a startup or Fortune 500. You can search our job listings or create a profile and let employers find you.
cnunciatoover 13 years ago
The timing of these posts amazes me sometimes.<p>I just turned down an opportunity to join an early stage startup (would've been employee #4, engineer #2, leading a team) that was uncommonly well backed, led by a seasoned founder, and tasked to build some truly bad-ass technology. I've always been drawn to startups, and this was indeed a rare one, unique in my experience so far, and particularly well suited to my sensibilities and to the direction I'd been wanting to go in my career. Closest thing to a perfect opportunity yet, to be sure. But it required some travel (half-dozen or so trips a year overseas, week or so each, give or take, probably more), and would've surely required longer hours than I work now (generally 40, sometimes less). We have two young boys (ages 1 and 2 1/2) and a third due in August. My wife, ever my champion, did nothing but encourage me to take it.<p>But I couldn't do it. My dad traveled constantly while my sisters and I were growing up (still does, actually -- very successful, but physically and often mentally absent), and I've always promised myself I'd never make that mistake. It was by far the toughest professional decision I've ever had to make, was emotionally and physically draining (I lost much sleep over it, spanning several days), but ultimately right -- for me, anyway. Much as it might restrict me career-wise, I work to live, don't live to work, and I'm not willing to risk regretting lost time with my boys because of work I chose for myself over them. I can't imagine a future in which any of us would look back and say that was worth it.<p>Many thanks indeed to you, Jeff -- you all did build something awesome. As my dad would say, Now go have fun.
solutionyogiover 13 years ago
Whenever I saw vBulletin used for programming questions (the most common option before SO), my heart ached. vBulletin may be good software for discussions, but it sucked as a programming Q&#38;A site.<p>I always wondered why we, programmers, do not have an amazing software to ask questions about our craft? Jeff gave us the answer in Stack Overflow and it was everything I would have hoped for. And then some. I love the fact that Stack Overflow (and sister sites) attracted experts in their field and following their answers, I learned a lot.<p>Thank you Jeff and I wish you all the best for your next adventure. :)
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epagaover 13 years ago
"Success at the cost of my children is not success. It is failure."<p>I can already tell this post is an instant classic that I will return to many times in the coming years. I was left with almost exactly the same thoughts as he was after reading Jobs' biography - and kudos to him for following through.<p>Seeing Jobs' life being lived at the expense of a meaningful relationship with his kids (especially his daughters), for me personally it made his Stanford speech about "following your heart" being the most important thing ring hollow. What happens when your heart values your job more than your kids? Is that just bad luck for your kids?<p>Perhaps our own gut instinct is not the final authority we should follow. Maybe loving our kids is something that is more important than "succeeding" at our job, even during times in which we don't feel like it is.
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elviejoover 13 years ago
Why is Jeff retiring? Couldn't he simply semi-retire? work only 2 days a week and the rest of the time with his family?<p>I think he was exhausted...<p>maybe this books is worth a look: The Big Enough Company: Creating a Business That Works for YOU <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Big-Enough-Company-Creating-Business/dp/1591844215" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Big-Enough-Company-Creating-Business/d...</a>
varkkerover 13 years ago
This exit is too convenient. Jeff left SE because Joel's a bit of an ass and Spolsky's focus is back at FogCreek with offerings like Trello.<p>With VC cash drying up, Manhattan office space, and fifty employees that aren't exactly cheap. Jeff (to his credit) is exiting gracefully while he can. Kudos.
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jiggy2011over 13 years ago
I'm a little surprised by this. I can understand Jeff wanting to "slow down" a bit and spend more time with his family etc but unless he has enough money to basically retire I can't see how his workload will reduce from not working on stack exchange.<p>Stack exchange I believe is developed mostly by programmers working from home and there are enough of them and SE is well developed enough that I doubt it requires Jeff to be glued to his keyboard at all times so it would seem simple to reduce his hours at his current job. In many ways it is the ideal job for somebody with a family since he's working at home and he's already done the hard part. I imagine it's now more a process of making gradual improvements as the money comes in.<p>I wonder what is next for Jeff, I can't see him taking a cubicle 9-5 with BigEnterpriseSoftwareCo and if he joins/starts another startup type business he's back to square 1 in terms of workload.<p>Perhaps he will focus on his blog/writing more now? He doesn't seem to worried about the prospect of being unemployed with a growing family so he must have stockpiled a fair amount of cash.
ORioN63over 13 years ago
I can't believe they have been here for just four years... I would take centuries to debug if it weren't for stack overflow... I can only thank you for what you have done Jeff ;-).
finnwover 13 years ago
&#62; <i>Farewell Stack Exchange</i><p>When I first saw the title I thought "Oh no, why is Stack Exchange closing down?"<p>Maybe the title should be changed to the more accurate "Jeff Attwood quits Stack Exchange"
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drozover 13 years ago
I think this is the right move for Jeff. It's good to see someone with such a high profile, putting family (and life in general) over working.
mak120over 13 years ago
I don't think the impact that stackexchange has had on the programming community is even well understood or appreciated yet. Still for many of us it is already hard to imagine a world without something like stackoverflow.com. It is a tool that we rely upon every day, not unlike Google. Thank you Jeff.
Codhisattvaover 13 years ago
Thank you Jeff. Rock the future and I hope you find the balance that eludes too many of us.
TomGullenover 13 years ago
I basically learnt how to code c# through stack overflow. An amazing resource that has given me and so many other people so much. It really has impacted a lot of peoples lives. I admire Jeff for getting his priorities right as well.
thechutover 13 years ago
I never even knew of Jeff, but StackOverflow has helped me more than I can even begin to talk about. Everything from stupid questions about using Linux to valuable conversations that helped me understand $LANGUAGE in a different way.
scrameover 13 years ago
Good Job, Jeff!<p>I routinely disagreed with your blog, and self-promotion -- but in the end -- you delivered a slick site and built a great community.<p>It doesn't matter that I didn't like your opinions, or thought that Joel's column became pointlessly self-promoting.<p>All those things thrive in the tech-blog-o-sphere, and there is no shortage of people with unpopular opinions, fanbases, or self-promoting start-ups.<p>Instead, you guys did all those things, _and_ delivered a kick-ass tech Q&#38;A site on _windows_ with a team of, what 4 people in the initial development?<p>Anyway, congrats to a job well done!<p>Take some time off, you've earned it!
andrewkreidover 13 years ago
My workplace recently upgraded all devs to a dual-monitor setup. Now when I walk around the office the most common thing I see is one monitor for the IDE and one for Stack Overflow in the browser.
jc123over 13 years ago
<i>Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange have been wildly successful, but I finally realized that success at the cost of my children is not success. It is failure.</i><p>As others have said, thanks Jeff for all the lessons and time saved with Stack Overflow! Super happy for your success and hard to imagine how it could have worked better. Your twins are only months old, your son is less than 3, so your success affords you all the time with your family. Your success story is well balanced and positively enviable.
Kiroover 13 years ago
The Stack Exchange podcast will not be the same without Jeff.
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FuzzyDunlopover 13 years ago
Stack Overflow has been brilliant not only for finding answers, but for encouraging people like me to contribute our own answers in return.<p>I'd say it made me a better programmer.
moconnorover 13 years ago
Never, ever underestimate the ridiculous amount of time, energy and willpower you invest to raise children. Just because billions of other people do it doesn't mean it isn't the single most demsnding, time-consuming thing that will ever be asked of you.<p>Perhaps you plan to outsource to a very understanding wife / girlfriend / grandparents, but if you want to do it yourself then bear this in mind: Jeff's was the only option on the table.
lrobbover 13 years ago
Why not make SE a family-friendly company instead of just leaving? I'm guessing at this stage he has already lost control and can't influence that decision?
jayferdover 13 years ago
I love the ad for Stack Overflow Carreers at the bottom.
tzuryover 13 years ago
Thanks is just a word, yet, all my apps, servers, desktops and smartphones, been well supported by stack exchange sites and community.<p>With StackExchange, getting the correct answer is one post away, and that is a revolution!<p>So I will use that word of "thanks" to express my gratefulness towards Jeff and Joel and all the community members(!), and want to wish Jeff the best of time with his kids.<p>Thank you StackExchange!
dbeckerover 13 years ago
I've always been amazed how the stackoverflow (and various other stackexchange communities) turned out so much better than the other communities on the internet.<p>Jeff and the stackoverflow team have put together something really incredible. Congratulations... and thank you.
mathattackover 13 years ago
Great call if his heart wasn't in it any more. You need to look forward to going to work and going home. Leave one out of balance and things fall apart.<p>I am curious about the culture there. FogCreek seems very family friendly. Did it not bleed over?
chrislomaxover 13 years ago
Farewell Jeff! I wonder how many other people have had the epiphany since Steve died that no matter how much money or power you have, nothing can keep you alive?<p>I say good luck to him and his reasons could not be more justified in my eyes.
djtriptychover 13 years ago
It's amazing how Steve Jobs affected this generation of technologists. I wish I could expand that sentiment beyond tweet-length without fear of starting a flame war, but I'll leave it there.
Wazzup12over 13 years ago
Jeff, understand our point about prioritizing family over work, etc but clearly lots of people reading it but cannot afford to retire are going to end up sad and demoralized today :(
tjbarbourover 13 years ago
Which contribution is greater? Building the canonical Q/A engine or setting an example for tech professionals that family is #1?<p>Thank you Jeff, I'm glad you shared some of your awesome with us!
asksolover 13 years ago
Who has the means to take 6 months at home with the kids, anyway? Even one month would be luxury for most... Is he telling me I'm failing my son?
nutancover 13 years ago
Hats off! Congrats on getting your priorities right. You have done your job, now teach your kids to do their jobs :)
dev_Gabrielover 13 years ago
Well, I just became addicted to Stack Overflow and for that I really owe big thanks you to Jeff: THANK YOU!
chjover 13 years ago
Best wishes from a programmer addicted to stackoverflow.
hetaoblogover 13 years ago
a big surprise!
georgieporgieover 13 years ago
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this was uninteresting for the same reason that the Stack Exchange Podcast is uninteresting: it was just a guy talking about himself (SE Podcast occasionally has interesting shows, <i>sooo</i> much of it is just them ruminating about themselves, with a bunch of background racket). I didn't learn anything from this post, except that a Nerd Celebrity is leaving somewhere, with no technical information, no insight, nothing.
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