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I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

261 pointsby kistaroabout 2 years ago

18 comments

wiredoneabout 2 years ago
Honestly, while I believe a lot of the perspective shared, there always seems to be a huge lack of objective assessment of options for these folks.<p>In tech there are many incredibly high paying jobs - taking control over your situation has a low bar.<p>if you don’t like your manager, taking the view that if you escalate a formal complaint to HR (in doing so lose all trust you manager and HR may have in you), you’ll be vindicated and live on happily ever after… it’s a fairytale. Go work somewhere that makes you happy. Leave toxic environments - it’s not your job to fix them&#x2F;right wrongs.<p>There are certainly real victims in these environments.<p>There are also in my personal experience a lot of people who make noise&#x2F;complain about immaterial incidents in the hope of claiming some group control over their situation or with some sense of justice around fixing things. This thrashing can create a toxic environment for those around in itself.
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tambp94201about 2 years ago
My read:<p>Person A was potentially discriminated against, which combined with the previous incident of discrimination understandably got the author&#x27;s hackles raised.<p>Person B may have been fired for any number of reasons, very few of which are any of the author&#x27;s business. I&#x27;ve had to fire people who were viewed as great by their peers because they were browsing illegal porn at work, or because they sexually harassed a coworker, or they flagrantly and dangerously violated InfoSec policy, or they were observed not once but twice shooting up heroin in the work locker room. HR isn&#x27;t going to share any of those reasons with nosy coworkers, and the person who was fired is also unlikely to admit to it.<p>After that it sounds like the author made themselves a completely unbearable coworker. ~50 person startups have code quality issues, bad documentation, lack of formal processes, etc, almost as a rule. If the author was making as big of a stink as it sounds like they were about it, they were demonstrably doing their job poorly.<p>While their involvement in championing person A may have absolutely factored into the decision to lay them off, so could their (potentially) inappropriate prying into the decision about person B, or their general unwillingness to help the startup meet their ship dates. Or the company could&#x27;ve done layoffs purely based on project need, compensation, and role redundancy (how companies are supposed to do layoffs), and the first 90% of the article could&#x27;ve been irrelevant to the decision.
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wintogreen74about 2 years ago
This workplace sounds like a scary environment; this person presents themselves as someone who takes a lot of effort to try and make happy. Frankly it sounds exhausting. I don&#x27;t get it; I manage 15-20 people and this stuff never comes up. They&#x27;re visibly quite a diverse group and the rest of it has just never has been an issue, or any of my concern. I advocate for them against their goals and desires and have never considered their personal positions&#x2F;beliefs&#x2F;values&#x2F;identity from a positive or negative perspective. This isn&#x27;t because I&#x27;m some sort of amazing manager, it&#x27;s because I&#x27;m lazy. It seems like so much extra work to discriminate against in these situations.
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throwawaylinuxabout 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve worked with a couple of people in tech who were very worker solidarity, unionize, labor movement, discrimination everywhere, etc.<p>They must have been <i>tiring</i> for management to work with. And I go in to bat for my colleagues, and it has not always made me popular with management and executives, but there are better and worse ways of approaching things.<p>If you are unwilling to accept that a decision has been made for a reason other than discrimination, bullying, or retaliation, it&#x27;s no longer a good faith dialogue. Expecting other parties to continue talking and negotiating as though it were, whether or not they are guilty of these things, is silly. That&#x27;s the point where you need a lawyer, or an exit plan, or to read through a lot of statute and case law, or all of the above. By all means try to get them to keep talking and collect evidence, but the fact they don&#x27;t want to deal with you any more isn&#x27;t exactly evidence of anything by itself.<p>I&#x27;m not saying this person is wrong or did the wrong thing. I really don&#x27;t have enough information. But this is a company that investigated their co-founder and CTO and kicked him out for harassing two trans employees, more than half their &quot;leadership team&quot; appear to be minorities or women, they have hired several trans people including at least one who got spectacular performance reviews and was being promoted. On its face I would have to entertain the idea that they are not engaged in wide scale discrimination of anybody who is not a straight white male.<p>This is also quite a serious step for the person to make, whether or not there are legal ramifications (and I hope they got very good advice about breaking their NDA). But what would an employer think about hiring this person after reading this? What would be the best outcome for them? The worst?
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TinkersWabout 2 years ago
Author doesn&#x27;t present any evidence to back up claims that I saw. I don&#x27;t understand why people make posts like this and don&#x27;t back it up with exact and specific instances?
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kbensonabout 2 years ago
&gt; who asserted that Person A was “too aggressive” to succeed in the new role. Behaviors that were regularly rewarded in white, male peers, such as taking initiative to perform needed duties outside the scope of their role, were instead framed as negative indications of focus.<p>&gt; I provided written guidance to Ram, who was also my supervisor, on the ways in which this “vibes based” determination of inadequacy constituted sex bias and workplace discrimination, and asked him to please speak with Person A and HR jointly.<p>To me, without any additional context, this seems like it might be people referring to different things with the same terminology. Management is not an area I would want someone to be aggressive, as in confrontational, in. But in business aggression, as in ambition, is often seen as positive. Aggressiveness is often used to describe both types of behavior, and I think it&#x27;s easy for people to misinterpret what is trying to be communicated because of that.<p>Is being confrontational a male trait? Is being ambitious? Perhaps one or both are, but certain positions work with those traits better than others, and if that&#x27;s indeed part of what was being communicated, that may not be a matter of a male trait that&#x27;s valued being devalued when expressed in a women as much as a trait being a bad fit for the position.<p>I don&#x27;t know it was actually meant or the full context in this situation, but as someone that has a coworker that is often confrontational, sometimes in disruptive ways, but also was interested in a management position, that&#x27;s what came to mind when I read this. I do not believe his particular way of interacting with people would work well in a management position, and I could definitely see myself calling it &quot;aggressive&quot;. That said, I do personally like this person and consider them a friend, I just don&#x27;t think they would do well in a position such as that.<p>Edit: I haven&#x27;t completed the article, so the above is from reaching that point in the piece, and should be taken mostly as a <i>general</i> discussion point and not a specific assessment of an event in this article.
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amatechaabout 2 years ago
This is really well-written. Thank you for shining the light on this and sharing it with the community. Sorry you and your colleagues were subjected to this unfair treatment. &lt;3
renloabout 2 years ago
I sincerely can not discern whether this is satire or reality.
nyanpasu64about 2 years ago
One observation is that retaliation against morally-driven whistleblowers on better-connected groups, is that it takes a form similar to complex trauma, resulting in gaslighting, repeatedly lying and contradicting actions and memories, to the point of creating self-doubt, questioning whether what you experienced or the stories being fed are true, and feelings of hopelessness and helplessness to follow your morals and effect change. I don&#x27;t know whether it&#x27;s personally worthwhile to fight against perceived wrongs when (her and myself) facing health and gender discrimination, somehow create legal or social changes to prevent future incidents, or just do the minimum to stay financially afloat (if possible) and with whatever leftover money try to support individual friends I care about.
davidguettaabout 2 years ago
&quot;[I] also surfaced feedback that had been shared with me by my own engineering teams regarding ways in which Rune Lab’s technology was insufficient for clinical use.&quot;<p>&quot;In each instance, I escalated this feedback to the appropriate members of the senior leadership team, and where appropriate, proposed refactors of common pain points. Synthesizing, evaluating, and sharing this feedback is a crucial component of any TPM’s day-to-day responsibilities. Yet many of my peers expressed fear of raising this feedback themselves, and were grateful that I was willing to do so for them.&quot;<p>Yeah, it&#x27;s not just about the discrimination. If you start opposing leadership in their compagny decisions, wether you are justified or not doesn&#x27;t matter, you&#x27;re not going to last long in the compagny anyway.<p>If you disagree with your boss, leave, don&#x27;t fight it because you don&#x27;t have the power.
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ThePowerOfFuetabout 2 years ago
&gt;Normally, my NDA would prohibit me from disclosing this, but as I will demonstrate in this article, it is a contributing factor to the retaliatory actions taken against me and thus covered under Washington State labor protection laws.<p>I hope the author ran this by a lawyer licensed in the State of Washington before publishing this.
water554about 2 years ago
Author would be well served to spend some relaxing days on the beach
nurettinabout 2 years ago
A person who knows what they are doing versus someone who has difficulties learning the given tasks have two very subjective views of the workplace situation.<p>One is at the mercy of their colleagues, constantly and rightfully interrupted to correct their mistakes, while the other is chugging away in the zone.<p>We need the viewpoints of both levels of expertise to make sure that there is a whistle to blow.
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nostromoabout 2 years ago
I think Washington’s banning of nondisclosure and nondisparagement agreements is going to hurt victims more than anyone.<p>It’s one’s primary bargaining chip when suing a former employer that has wronged an employee. Taking that away means more people will not get compensation when they should.
SanjayMehtaabout 2 years ago
FTA: &quot;I provided written guidance to Ram, who was also my supervisor&quot;<p>This person sounds like a very valuable addition to any team.
jestermanabout 2 years ago
This is an incredible piece.<p>The fact that the 20% of the company laid off were all minority groups is absolutely insane. LinkedIn says they have at minimum 50 employees, meaning at least 10 people were laid off.<p>Here is their LinkedIn post (linked on their website), <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;feed&#x2F;update&#x2F;urn:li:activity:7058845122393755648&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;feed&#x2F;update&#x2F;urn:li:activity:7058845...</a> &quot; It is estimated that one in five transgender people will experience homelessness. Unfortunately, it&#x27;s my turn. After six months of searching, I was not able to find a new role in time, and I have lost my home.&quot;
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pcthrowawayabout 2 years ago
I noticed this submission had become &quot;dead&quot; due to flagging, and retaliation for whistleblowing seems like exactly the type of thing that a coordinated group would try to bury.<p>I vouched for it. I don&#x27;t have feelings one way or another on who is being wronged, but I thought the information was well-presented and coherent, and deserves consideration without being flagged. If the other party believes this is inaccurate they should present their side here.
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camdenlockabout 2 years ago
The amount of time and energy some people are willing to spend furiously spinning webs of utter nonsense is... impressive.<p>Unnervingly, it sometimes resembles the zeal reserved for traditional religions.