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White-collar crime costs society 20x as much as street crime

46 pointsby evilottoabout 2 years ago

16 comments

imgabeabout 2 years ago
This is content marketing for business insurance.
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CaptainNegativeabout 2 years ago
&gt; Article: By comparison, common crimes like burglary, larceny and theft cost just $16 billion per year. (FBI)<p>&gt; FBI: Collectively, victims of property crimes (excluding arson) suffered losses estimated at $16.4 billion in 2018.<p>Those aren&#x27;t the same statistic. The cost of property (or any other kind of) crime is the sum of the losses plus the cost of prevention. If typical prevention costs more than is lost (the security industry is estimated at over 200B by some sources), then that figure should be compared to the combined security+loss cost of white collar crime. I don&#x27;t think the ratio will get particularly close to 1, but it should shrink from 20.<p>Also,<p>&gt; Article: Three-quarters of white-collar criminal offenders are white males.<p>A majority of the $300B figure computed by the FBI is in the form of foreign economic espionage and (not-necessarily-domestic) IP theft. I&#x27;m going to doubt that the major players in that are overwhelmingly white men.<p>The article (edit: apparently an extended ad) appears to have been written with a conclusion in mind before the facts were cherry picked sans context to support it.
ResearchCodeabout 2 years ago
The externalities for street crime are huge. A home is burglarized for $1000 and the whole neighborhood will experience much lower quality of life after the crime.
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belornabout 2 years ago
The numbers are all over the place. The white-collar offenses include things like credit card theft, money laundering and counterfeiting, all things that also exist in street crime. It also include intellectual property theft&#x2F;piracy, and at that point we can basically just make up any number we want.<p>Another strange aspect to those numbers is when I look up the cost of crime in general. Most of the total numbers I find cites trillions. Remove street crime and white-collar crime, and there is trillions still left unaccounted for.<p>There is also a lot of uncertainty in how they determine the number for white-collar crime. Looking at studies there are multiple angles, with one study splitting it into:<p><pre><code> Victim costs Criminal justice system costs Crime career costs (criminal’s choice to engage in illegal rather than legal) Intangible costs (Indirect losses suffered by crime victims) </code></pre> Based on that it is very difficult to compare a crime like insider trading with assault, since how you determine each of those categories is going to significant change the numbers. Drug crime for example has very high or very low cost to society depending on how one count, primarily because criminal justice system costs and crime career costs are both high while the others are fairly low or non-existent (depending on political views).
teruakohatuabout 2 years ago
The article does not mention the words &quot;street crime&quot;. Can this title be changed to the original title.<p>(HN title when I posted this comment is &quot;White-collar crime costs society 20x as much as street crime&quot;).<p>HN guidelines...<p>&gt; Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don&#x27;t editorialize.
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atoavabout 2 years ago
It ia pretty clear that there is a class bias in the way crime is punished in most societies.<p>I like the Scandinavian idea of scaling certain fines (e.g. for speeding) with the income of a person or at least introduce a point based system where you temporarily loose your drivers license when you you accumulated three points. Otherwise you have a society where the same wrongdoing destroys the existence of one person and barely bothers the other one outside of paying a (for them) small amount of money.<p>White collar crime is even worse in these regards. If you steal X units of currency from a cash register you will usually get more punishment than if you steal 1000X units of currency through some simple white collar scheme.<p>And that needs to be adressed.
proc0about 2 years ago
Yet, would you rather be victim of fraud or a physical violent crime, like getting stabbed? But I get the point, put them all in jail for all I care.
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_v7guabout 2 years ago
Kicker: most of the white-collar crimes are committed against the state (as listed by their link to Cornell Law); does this insurance cover antitrust violations?<p>Or better yet, if they cover securities fraud, then I could make some very nice bets in the altcoin market. That&#x27;s a type of insurance I&#x27;d love to buy.
joshspankitabout 2 years ago
I don’t even need the article. Of course it costs multiples more. No individual criminal (or local group) can even <i>touch</i> the amount of money made through manipulating the financial systems themselves.
iamnotsureabout 2 years ago
What about Goodhart&#x27;s law: &quot;When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure&quot;, does policing based on money lead to good results?
caromabout 2 years ago
How about we do the cost of lives? Lives lost to drugs and violence. White collar crime isn&#x27;t killing your loved ones.
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jacknewsabout 2 years ago
More financialized-capitalism BS.<p>Would you rather be swindled out of $1000 or violently assaulted and robbed of $990?
downWidOutaFiteabout 2 years ago
Yet defunding of white collar police like the IRS, CFPB, SEC, etc. is popular among many politicians.
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Andrew_nenakhovabout 2 years ago
That depends on how much value is assigned to every life lost or destroyed because of street crime.
tikuabout 2 years ago
We just print some more money.
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UberFlyabout 2 years ago
Washington State alone lost 1 Billion+ in 2020 to online fraud. I&#x27;m guessing the 20x estimate is low.
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