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What I've Learned About Smart People.

552 pointsby tmacwilliamover 13 years ago

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kevinalexbrownover 13 years ago
What the article doesn't mention is that the smartest of people perpetually ask <i>themselves</i> questions regarding what they believe they understand. It is remarkably easy to convince yourself you understand something - a mathematical proof, the Halting Problem, advantages of some programming framework/style/language, when you're really just going through the motions and remembering what others have said, kind of memorizing the proof rather than reproducing it. "Of course I understand how genetics work, there are genes and codons and RNA, and DNA helicase, etc" - I can say that, without any ounce of extra understanding. Often I see this in mathematically oriented people who know how to perform X data mining trick, but have no idea how it works. That's perfectly fine - you don't always need to understand everything to use it - but sometimes it breeds an arrogance. When people have a lot of success without knowing the inner workings, they'll sometimes view questions about them as pedantic at best.<p>But the article does hit dead on that smart people don't just ask questions about things they don't understand themselves. They ask questions that challenge what the world believes to be settled, 'obvious' and extremely clear.<p>My favorite <i>How-To-Be-A-Smart-Person-By-Asking-Questions</i> story, about Wittgenstein, from Bertrand Russell:<p><i>When I was still doubtful as to his ability, I asked G. E. Moore for his opinion. Moore replied, ‘I think very well of him indeed.’ When I enquired the reason for his opinion, he said that it was because Wittgenstein was the only man who looked puzzled at his lectures.</i> [1]<p>Incidentally, on the same page, I found perhaps my favorite genius quotation:<p><i>The genius is always puzzled by answers, it is the fool who is satisfied by them.</i><p>[1] <a href="http://readingmarksonreading.tumblr.com/post/2565799967/pg-40-of-david-marksons-copy-of-fly-and-the" rel="nofollow">http://readingmarksonreading.tumblr.com/post/2565799967/pg-4...</a>
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kenjacksonover 13 years ago
A lot also has to do with comfort. If I'm the smartest person in the class I feel a lot more comfortable asking questions. I know that if I have a question then a good percentage of other people do too.<p>But if I'm not the smartest in the class (or simply not familiar with the material) I may be more inclined to look on Google or follow-up afterwards with the presenter. I don't know if the question I have is worth the time of the 20 or 200 other people in the room. I just don't have the context to know.<p>So to me it's unclear if smart people ask questions because they're comfortable or because that's what they naturally do. A good experiment -- take these same Turning Award winners to a basketball court and have them run through some plays. See if they start asking questions like, "OK, I go left here, but what if someone is setting a pick, should I switch?" or do they nod their head...
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espeedover 13 years ago
Humility is the key to understanding, but hubris often prevents people from growing because they believe their understanding is right from the beginning.<p>For a while I have understood that people see the world in fundamentally different ways, but about two years ago I had an epiphany that really crystallized it for me. Now I see people existing in either one of two camps:<p><pre><code> 1. Those who believe the world is the way they see it. 2. Those who realize how limited their perspective is. </code></pre> Alan Kay (<a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/alan_kay_shares_a_powerful_idea_about_ideas.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/alan_kay_shares_a_powerful...</a>) has a developed a similar view. He often quotes the Talmud saying, "We see things not as they are, but as we are.” And he often says, "We can't learn to see until we admit we are blind".<p>When Jim Collins was doing his research for "How the Mighty Fall", he identified hubris as being the first stage of decline for great enterprises (<a href="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10565" rel="nofollow">http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10565</a>). This is the concept of "pride goes before the fall," and I believe one of the reasons for this is because we stop asking questions and begin to "lean on our own understanding."<p>We become complacent with our picture of the world and continue on whatever trajectory we were on when we stopped recalibrating. Unless we were right from the start (which almost never happens in a dynamically changing world), we'll veer farther off course.<p>A better way to go is to constantly be asking questions -- continually adding to your perspective, refining it, and recalibrating your path based on what you learn. As the saying goes, "you don't know what you don't know".<p>This seems so simple, but admitting you don't know everything and continually asking questions requires humility.
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j45over 13 years ago
Truly smart people have always come across to me as not needing to prove how smart they are<p>Smart people don't care to convert me to their way of seeing the world. Be it using Ruby, Apple, or not, they are able to see a bigger, wider picture where everything is possible with the right amount of understanding and well placed effort.<p>Smart people see the patterns and similarities in everything that unite, instead of the differences and exceptions that divide.<p>Smart people aren't righteous. They don't seek external validation / conversion to fuel their own beliefs.<p>Smart people don't add to a situation if they're merely replacing one set of confusing concepts with another (theirs). They are driven by clarity.<p>Smart people are genuinely, insatiably curious about everything.<p>Smart people know how to take the good from everything, and deeply understand little knowledge is new, or truly unique.<p>Smart people I've met live in a mindset of possibility, not doubt or skepticism. One fuels creativity, and the other douses.
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ryanwhitneyover 13 years ago
Reminded my of this, from Gladwell's <i>Outliers</i>:<p>"The way you were raised, namely with wealthy or less fortunate parents, also plays a role. Gladwell explains that when wealthy parents drive their children to the doctor, they tell their children things like, “Johnny, now if you have any questions, be sure to ask the doctor. This is your opportunity to talk to him about any health problems you’re having….” And so on.<p>In contrast, the children of poor parents may feel less entitled to this same questioning. Instead, they accept what the doctor tells them straight out, without surfacing concerns or criticisms. Gladwell then uses Chris Langan, a genius with a 195 IQ who wasn’t able to succeed in college, as an example. Langan failed to get a PhD (his goal) not because he lacked intelligence, but because he had a mentality to passively accept the conditions and limitations others imposed on him. Langan ended up dropping out of college because he couldn’t convince his teachers to accommodate a simple change in his schedule (a change he needed because his truck broke and he could no longer get to campus early in the morning)."
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mmaunderover 13 years ago
Asking questions and knowing what you don't know and being honest about it is super important. But so is moving forward, getting things done and leadership and sometimes constantly questioning your world with fresh eyes every morning can mess with these things. It's also exhausting.<p>I find folks who have been surrounded by extremely smart hands-on analytical types most of their lives are slow moving and not great leaders because they question absolutely everything. It's a reflex that develops because if you're working with 20 other engineers building a rocket you don't want to be the guy who said "lets just assume" or "screw it, lets just get it out the door".<p>Sometimes though, it's useful to have an arrogant ass around that makes a few assumptions and keeps kicking the can down the road. Steve Jobs comes to mind.
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tnicolaover 13 years ago
Asking questions is not only a trait of smart people, but it is quite possibly the simplest most effective tool that can set you appart in many things.<p>Think about the last time you bought something where you had a great sales experience. How many questions did the sales person ask? Think about last time you were on a great date? Did the person ask questions about you.<p>Asking questions is a sign of validated learning and active listening and those two concepts are the way we better ourselves and our surroundings.
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edw519over 13 years ago
<i>Going to Harvard means I have the very unique opportunity to be around a lot of smart people.</i><p>Good for you. Even better for you is the fact that you recognize your opportunity. How sad that so many people in your situation never do until it's too late.<p><i>Now, when I say “smart people,” I don’t mean that guy who always wins trivia night. I mean, blazingly intelligent individuals who are regarded as the pre-eminent scholars in their field.</i><p>There are many vectors of smartness in both magnitude and direction. Some of the smartest people I've ever known never went to college. You don't have to be a "pre-eminent scholar" to be smart and there's nothing wrong with winning trivia night.<p><i>It’s pretty amazing to pass by Turing Award winners and leading political science scholars grabbing a sandwich.</i><p>The smarter you get the less amazing that will feel.<p><i>Before I go anywhere, let me make one thing clear: I am not one of these smart people.</i><p>Hmmm, not sure I like the sound of that. Where are you going with this?<p><i>This is perhaps the biggest lesson I’ve learned after 3 years here.</i><p>Then it's a good thing you have one more year. Hopefully you'll learn a bigger lesson. (Read on...)<p><i>There is an absolutely incredible number of smart people in the world, and I can name a whole bunch of students and professors alike who I know for a fact I will never ever ever be as smart as, no matter how hard I try.</i><p>How sad to hear you say that...<p>The purpose of college is not to become a greater repository of data.<p>The purpose of college is not to become a better accumulator of data.<p>The purpose of college is not to become better than anyone or anything else.<p>The purpose of college is to <i>see the possibilities</i> and put yourself in position to go after them.<p>You may not believe me now, but you are probably a whole lot smarter than many people, including the smart ones you cite, at <i>something</i>, perhaps <i>many things</i>. And once you put yourself on the shoulders of giants, including your own, you can geometrically catapult yourself into much higher spheres of measure, including "smartness". But even then, so what?<p>It's now how smart you are, you rich you are, or even you good you are, it's what you can imagine doing with all those "assets" and how you can positively affect the lives of others. If you learn nothing else in college, I sincerely hope that you come away with this mindset.<p><i>...but I have noticed one overarching theme among smart people: they ask questions.</i><p>Wow. It sounds like you learned something in college that I didn't learn until years later. And I thought I was so smart.<p><i>After all, I don’t want this person to think I’m a moron.</i><p>Smart people don't care about that.<p><i>The intonation of the question and the intensity with which the professor listened to the response definitively suggested that the professor’s question was genuine, and that the answer was of great importance.</i><p>What a great lesson. Which reminds me that two of the smartest things you can ever do is keep learning <i>and</i> keep teaching. Thank you.<p><i>Smart people challenge the very limit of human understanding, and push the envelope of what’s possible farther than many people would argue it’s meant to be pushed. Smart people don’t take claims at face value, and smart people don’t rest until they find an explanation they’re comfortable accepting and understanding.</i><p>Therefore, you become smarter simply by claiming that you're smarter, right? (Notice this is the opposite of "I know for a fact I will never ever ever be as smart as, no matter how hard I try.".)<p><i>Smart people challenge everything.</i><p>Hmmm, I wonder if "challenge everything" = "see the possibilities". I think I've learned something.<p><i>(You know who taught me that? A smart person.)</i><p>That's great, but please don't overlook all that you can learn from people that may not seem so smart.<p><i>Maybe someday, people will call me a smart person.</i><p>The smartest thing you can ever do is stop caring how smart others think you are.<p><i>For now, I’m going to keep asking them questions.</i><p>I take back what I said before. It sounds like you've already learned more in 3 years than many learn in a lifetime. But you probably already knew that, being as smart as you are.<p>Thanks for the great post and the chance for interesting discussion. I feel smarter already.<p>[EDIT: Any notion that I was making fun or teasing OP was most definitely unintended. This was a great post! (Sounds like I now need a &#60;NoSarcasm&#62; tag.)]
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csomarover 13 years ago
Is there a difference (or some way to differentiate) a smart person from a very skilled professional?<p>I'm asking this question to see if a Smart Person is the byproduct of getting skilled in a different set of areas, and getting very professional and focused in one or two.<p>I'm certainly not as smart as some fellow HNers here. But, few minutes ago, I have been reading blog posts and emails I wrote 6 years ago. "What a retard I was!"
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daviddaviddavidover 13 years ago
It's worthy asking "Why do smart people ask questions?"<p>I think the answer is that when they don't fully understand something there is some sort of mental itch that just has to get scratched. Things just don't feel right until all of their questions are answered.<p>Also, I can't help but note how much these endlessly inquisitive smart people sound like the old gadfly Socrates. If philosophy has anything going for it, it is that it teaches one to ask questions about matters that are typically taken for granted.
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75c84fb8over 13 years ago
So do they ask questions because they're smart, or are they smart because they ask questions?
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c0rianderover 13 years ago
Smart people ask questions because they have enough confidence that they are smart to expose their ignorance.<p>Acting like you know everything doesn't come from a place of intelligence - it comes from a place of fear, that the other person knows more than you, that they will judge you, that a "smart person" would know what you don't know. I've forced myself to ask questions many times in meetings when I thought the answer was probably obvious to everyone else - only to discover that others had been wondering the same thing.
gbhnover 13 years ago
Another thing I've learned about smart people is that they're basically always willing to tell you what they know. This is super-encouraging to me as someone who is nowhere near as smart as them.<p>Another way to think about this: the smart people are happy to tell me what I need to know to succeed, so I don't have to be disadvantaged by not being as smart. I do, however, have to be humble enough to be a good listener, and have some discernment to know who to listen to.
jarrettover 13 years ago
It's not so meaningful to compare the relative intelligence of people within the upper echelons of intelligence--which is where you appear to be, along with those award-winners you mention. Which is not to disagree with any of your points. Rather, I'm just saying you don't need to worry about being less smart than all those eminent Harvard professors, because you're already in a league where such comparisons don't work.<p>What defines this league, and how <i>can</i> people in it be compared?<p>I think its boundaries have something to do with a general ability and desire to learn, and a breadth and depth of knowledge about important things in the world at large. (The knowledge criterion has to take into account age. You know less now than you will at 50, but that's obviously not a mark against you.)<p>Amongst such people, the only meaningful comparisons are far more specific than "more smart" and "less smart" can capture. You can meaningfully talk about, say, one's ability to solve an electrical engineering dilemma, or to pleasingly arrange the samples in a hip-hop song. But not relative smartness, not in this league.<p>This is one case where the truth is actually more comfortable than the myths we tell ourselves.
omertaover 13 years ago
I think the author of the article is pretty inaccurate in his analysis of students at Harvard. I think the article reflects poorly on Harvard, to be honest. The author is about as smart as my shoe.<p>Usually, the ones who continually ask questions and run their mouths in class are the ones who are extremely interested in their respective field of study. Interest creates curiosity and excitement, and both are required for someone to continually want to ask questions and learn more about whatever subject.<p>The other students who do not continually ask questions are either shy or are just going through the motions at college, so they do not really care.<p>If you are a student at Harvard, you probably have above-average fluid-intelligence, regardless of what you accomplish with it. The more you ask questions and the more interest you have in a subject, the more knowledge you will gain in that said subject (crystallized intelligence). But it doesn't mean people who do not continually ask questions have any less fluid intelligence.
zeynalovover 13 years ago
I think it's a paradox. What does smart mean? Smart = knowing as much information as possible (or knowing how and where to get information when it's needed) + gifted with normal logic. So if smart knows best, why does he/she need to ask? If he's smart enough, doesn't it mean that he/she must be least asking one?!<p>Edit: I remembered something. There was a man called Said Nursi in Ottoman Empire in 20th century. He is recognized as one of smartest people ever. When he was in his 20s, after graduating 4 universities he opened a bureau in Istanbul and wrote on it's door "Here will be all questions answered and no questions asked" After answering most paradoxal questions ever he was already famous in Europe. In first days of Turkish republic people invited him to parliament, and then to be the president of Turkey. He rejected and started to write his famous books. Nowadays there are 300 millions of his students calling themselves "Nurcular" in turkish.
jczhangover 13 years ago
So what do you do if you're in an environment that discourages asking dumb questions you might have?
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Confusionover 13 years ago
<p><pre><code> Smart people challenge everything. </code></pre> I don't understand why that is offered as the take-away, because the article does not support it. It supports the take-away that smart people <i>ask questions</i>. The examples do not mention questions that challenge what has been said, but rather questions that result in a better understanding of what has been said.<p>Challenging people is not always the optimal way of exchanging information. When you think someone is wrong, asking questions to understand why they think something will work or is correct is sometimes much more constructive. This is in cases when it leads you to discover a different underlying assumption, a different main goal, a piece of information you missed, ...
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aDemoUzerover 13 years ago
The article made a good point and I agree with it. In most of my classes, I was usually one of the or the only person who would either ask questions or attempt to give an answer. Equally important trait of a smart person is the willingness to answer a question - even when you are not fully sure. It is a great mean to understand new concepts.<p>1. If I am right, it validates my understanding of the concept.<p>2. If I am wrong, it bring misinformation to surface and gives me a reason to go over previously discussed material. If I never had experience where I was wrong, it puts me in the cycle of "I know everything, so I don't need to study."<p>3. It keeps me awake in class because asking and answering questions requires paying attention in class.
afterburnerover 13 years ago
"After all, I don’t want this person to think I’m a moron."<p>Kudos for him recognizing that in himself. It is the single most problematic and annoying aspect of most middle and upper managers. Fear of looking dumb feeds on itself.
kmfrkover 13 years ago
Don't get caught writing "very unique" at Harvard. Being unique is binary. :)<p>I don't like words like "smart" - and "stupid" - but I can recognize some of the qualities associated with them. One of the biggest is to know what you don't know, to not be complacent and arrogant. The people I respect the most are humble people, and I think it comes down to this.<p>I don't know what the definition of "smart" is, but I think you sound like a smart person for knowing that you don't have it all figured out - and want to fill in the gaps, even though it means telling other people.
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stretchwithmeover 13 years ago
Another reason to answer every question your child asks and reward them with useful information no matter how probing the question might be.<p>And also take care that schools reward this to, to the extent possible.
iskanderover 13 years ago
I would like to ban the word smart from common discourse. It <i>looks</i> like it describes something, but actually masks the reality of the how someone can look 'smart' in a situation.
analyst74over 13 years ago
While I agree to the notion that asking question is important to get smarter knowledge-wise, I think we programmers tend to over-estimate the importance of intelligence in real life.<p>For example, when you need to convince others (need high confidence in whatever you believe in), to gain trust(depends on your audience), to increase social ranking (asking lot of question is sign of being a good protege), to hide weakness (sometimes you don't want the other party to know how much you know/don't know), etc etc
saulrhover 13 years ago
So far I've been one of those smart people (though I'm finally finding people that are smarter than I am, and it's a great feeling), and I have my parents to thank for it. As far as I can tell, one of the big things they did was answer my questions. Without fail. Even through the entire "why?" stage, I cannot consciously remember a single instance in which my parents didn't at least provide at least a hook that I could use to keep looking on my own.
ramsesover 13 years ago
One point the author may be missing, is that smart people do not learn to ask question. Instead, asking questions is a side-effect of being extremely curious, which is a core characteristic of smart people.<p>Similarly, how can someone learn to ask questions without being sufficiently curious, or at least sufficiently motivated to learn about a particular subject? I guess the answer is: with a lot of work.
arvind_bhat1over 13 years ago
There was a similar post posted on Friday I think which spoke of the concept of 'Flow'(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)</a>) and how to achieve. It also referenced Gladwell's 10000 hours theory.<p>Does anyone remember what the link was? Please post it here if you do. Thanks :)
thewisedudeover 13 years ago
Somebody told me once, if you ask a question - you may appear to be a fool for a minute. If you dont ask the question, you are a fool for the rest of your life. Of course, this saying cant be taken too literally, but I think the idea is: to learn something new, keep your ego aside, ask questions and improve your understanding!
wistyover 13 years ago
I think it's a hasty generalization to say "smart people ask questions". It's more general to say "smart people get to the bottom of things, unless it's obviously an intellectual tarpit (hello postmodernists)."<p>That's why they ask questions. Even if they hate doing it, they have to find out, at just about any cost.
lurker17over 13 years ago
&#62; Going to Harvard means I have the very unique opportunity to be around a lot of smart people.<p>My high school English teacher mocked Harvard students who used term "very unique". "uniqueness" is a binary (not continuous/leveled) attribute (and "very" is a near-meaningless word).
stretchwithmeover 13 years ago
Knowledge is built from the ground up. The more knowledge (and experience) you integrate into your brain, the smarter it is.<p>There is an innate ability to do this integration and some people do it more easily.<p>But those who use their abilities most often and without fear build their brains faster.
makronizedover 13 years ago
Not asking questions may also mean that we're losing our contact with teachers (in this case specifically), not meant as those trying to teach you how to do something, but as people who can teach something that's not written inside a book.
jroseattleover 13 years ago
In thinking about "smart" in the abstract sense or in relation to others, I draw on the logic of Forrest Gump: smart is as smart does. (Forrest said "stupid is as stupid does", but same corollary applies.)
MrJagilover 13 years ago
The one quote that has led me on to _greater smartness_ is that of (i believe) Socrates:<p>"The only thing I know, is that I don't know anything."<p>Remind yourself of that whenever you feel smart, and you will soon feel your mind expanding.
UK-Al05over 13 years ago
I think this mostly comes with age. Older people tend to sceptical and challenge everything anyway. Probably because they have been screwed over a few times in their life and ask questions.
yasonover 13 years ago
I don't necessarily want to be around smart people but around wise people. However, there's no specific place to go. They're both all around but also in very small quantities.
sagantioover 13 years ago
How are intelligence and knowledge related? I perceive that for many people intelligence depends on how much do you know about something.
Joss451over 13 years ago
I've noticed the pseudo-smart are quite annoyed by questions. RTFM, they reply. That's pseudo-smart for "I don't know".
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juiceandjuiceover 13 years ago
Smart people ask questions because they are smart enough to know what they don't know.<p>You can't know until you don't know.
jcdietrichover 13 years ago
What did you learn about smart people?
Mordorover 13 years ago
Unfortunately, this also means 'stupid' people accept everything they're given :-(
hnmemberover 13 years ago
smart people may or may not ask questions, that depends on the situation. professors, however, usually do ask questions; most of the time just to announce their presence and attract attention.
mangomanover 13 years ago
I ask questions...<p>if only correlation implied causation...
codeonfireover 13 years ago
I think you have to be careful about making blanket statements and whether you are saying that smart people ask questions or are trying to imply that people that ask questions are smart.<p>It is in the interest of the speaker to claim that audience members who ask questions are in some way smarter. Being asked a question implies that the speaker has knowledge that the audience doesn't. So of course the speaker is going to claim those people are smart.<p>It is also not a good thing to presume that audience members are not asking questions simply to draw attention to themselves and to impress other audience members. People with awards are more probably than not to be smart, but they needed a lot of visibility to get those awards.<p>An important question would be to ask, "which non famous person is asking lots of questions, and is that person smart?" Since the author seems to define smart as having won awards and being well known in a field, this question fails immediately.<p>Personally, unless it is unpublished research, I can get most of my questions answered immediately by surfing along while listening and without disrupting the talk. It's also funny when I pull up wikipedia and it either turns out to have the same content as the talk, or directly contradicts the talk.
davidf18over 13 years ago
IMHO much of asking questions is largely cultural. For instance, at the Passover Seder the youngest child asks (with prior coaching from their parents) the "four questions."<p>My father is a prof at a "top university" and in my family we were always encourage to ask questions and discuss issues. My friends grew up in similar households. But I don't think these were typical households. My perception is that in some Asian cultures the children are less likely to be encouraged to question than the environment that I grew up in. Also, many women are more shy than men and perhaps less likely to ask a question that was on their mind.<p>Regarding hiring decisions, the one thing I look for is whether people will argue with me or not. I look for the people that question and argue with passion.
Craiggybearover 13 years ago
Sigh. Define "smart people".<p>A lot of people I've seen described as smart are either a) actually good at making money (not necessarily legally) or b) good at manipulating people to get what they want. I describe this as cunning, rather than smart. Although they <i>may</i> be smart, too -- but that's quite rare in my experience.<p>But, yes, smart people tend not take anything at face value or believe everything they are told by the media.<p>Going to institutions like Harvard is not in itself a measure of smart, necessarily. All it usually represents is a disposable income.
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FredBrachover 13 years ago
"The important thing is to not stop questionning" - Albert Einstein
zinnaglismover 13 years ago
I agree and I've written about this in 2012: <a href="http://lukas.zinnagl.com/2010/12/asking-questions/" rel="nofollow">http://lukas.zinnagl.com/2010/12/asking-questions/</a>
drstrangevibesover 13 years ago
if correlation does not imply causation, then asking questions will not necessarily make you any smarter, no?
vacriover 13 years ago
Smart people also:<p>- don't use low-contrast text, which obfuscates their message<p>- have a comments section for feedback, rather than a 'reblogged' section for desperate popularity