I think, nearly all people who tried to Reinvent Democracy, waste time, because underestimate ONLY TWO things - Dunbar's number, and have not tried make really democratic organization (or just lie).<p>What differ really democratic organization - democratic order, mean way of making decisions.<p>To make democratic order really effective (not just imitation), need to follow few simple rules, for simplicity, I could reduce there to only one - rules should work.<p>So, what says us Dunbars number and democratic organization practice?<p>First, real people are not subjects, only organized Group is subject.<p>Second, how large should be Group? - From Dunbar, about 150 people, but exists tricky thing - not all people are subjective, exists 1-10% human-hubs, who affect all others.<p>So if your Dunbar group all human-hubs, you could have community of about 1500-3000 people (really up to approx 5000), behavior of which you could estimate with high precision.<p>And that's how Switzerland live just now - more than 80% of their communities have 1000-5000 members.<p>90% of real-life questions answered inside community, on local level, and their federal system is tiny and make very few decisions, most of them with plebiscite.<p>Third, to let rules work, must be enforcement (fines, power to enforce punishment) and must be fine tuned system of punishment grades, from just blame, to fines, up to most for me powerful - exclusion from community.<p>In online communities, enforcement is near impossible, so online Democracy is just hallucination.