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Simple exercise to eliminate gastroesophageal reflux (2022)

521 pointsby dronesalmost 2 years ago

50 comments

jader201almost 2 years ago
The important bit:<p>&gt; <i>The resistance was provided by positioning my head below my stomach in a kneeling posture. This required food being swallowed to be pushed up an incline. I began eating part of each breakfast (oatmeal) and sometimes lunch (a sandwich) in the exercise position. I would kneel on a platform (which happened to be 6 ½” high), take a normal mouthful, chew it as needed, and prepare to swallow. I would then lay my forearms and the backs of my hands on the floor, rest my head on my hands, and complete the swallowing process. With a little practice, I was soon able to initiate and complete the swallowing process with my head resting on my hands on the floor. I did not attempt to determine what the optimal height of the platform might be or if, indeed, any was necessary.</i>
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ravedave5almost 2 years ago
Well what the heck, I&#x27;ve been working on handstands and my GERD went away. I also lost weight so I attributed it to that, but this might be part of it. &quot;after beginning daily LES exercises, I noticed that I could bend over at the hip and pull weeds in my garden without acid running into the back of my throat&quot; - At the start of training headstands I&#x27;d have reflux so I had to do them at the right time of day to not make it terrible. Over time this went away and I&#x27;d have to eat a full meal right before to feel the same now. I wonder if I trained this muscle similarly.
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lemonberryalmost 2 years ago
This is one of those posts that could change my life. Thanks for sharing. Sorry to not add to the discussion but I have terrible acid reflux and sometimes it feels like it runs my life. I often don&#x27;t sleep well because of it.<p>I&#x27;ll definitely give this a shot.
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tasty_freezealmost 2 years ago
I remember being a kid and thinking that animals that bend down to drink from a pond must be forcing the water to travel up their esophagus. Hmm, I wonder if humans can do that. So I filled my mouth with water, did a head stand, then swallowed. Yes, no problem. Newfound respect for my body that day.
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yamtaddlealmost 2 years ago
&gt; Gastroesophageal reflux results from weakness or relaxation of the lower esophageal sphincter (LES) [1]. Personal experience with this problem lead me to think about it, repeatedly.<p>LOL.<p>More seriously: Is there something about a modern diet or lifestyle that tends to cause this weakening? Or have anatomically-modern humans just always had a similar rate of reflux, for this reason?
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killjoywasherealmost 2 years ago
Uh, there&#x27;s likely more than a few confounders here, which are, at a minimum, undocumented in the report. Intuitively, one would expect lower caloric consumption with altered eating habits, which would lead to decreased fat and decreased intra-abdominal pressure. There&#x27;s also no test of LES function prior to initiation of the experiment, so no delta was actually measured.<p>There&#x27;s also a bit of misunderstanding, I suspect, in the pathology report: 0.2 x 0.5 x 0.3 cm is a perfectly reasonable size for an esophageal biopsy, and it was almost certainly measured with a ruler like (1) or (2).<p>I&#x27;ve passed this to a GI friend to get their thoughts, but suffice to say, more study is required before making this any sort of recommendation.<p>(1) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neobits.com&#x2F;thermo_fisher_scientific_nc9759439_ruler_plastic_6_p16747878.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neobits.com&#x2F;thermo_fisher_scientific_nc9759439_r...</a><p>(2) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aaawholesalecompany.com&#x2F;fis-s40641-pk.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aaawholesalecompany.com&#x2F;fis-s40641-pk.html</a>
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pkorzeniewskialmost 2 years ago
Note that there&#x27;s also a less known type of Acid Reflux called Laryngopharyngeal Reflux (LPR), also known as Silent Reflux, which doesn&#x27;t manifest with &quot;usual&quot; symptoms like heartburn or a sour taste in mouth, but instead with symptoms like sore throat or hoarseness. For a long, long time I didn&#x27;t understand why so often after eating my throat was full of phlegm and I had to constantly clear it, I thought it has something to do with paranasal sinuses because I rarely experienced symptoms commonly associated with Acid Reflux, but after some research I found out about the Silent Reflux so I modified my diet and the symptoms mostly disappeared.
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l72almost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve had reflux for 10+ years, and noticed that in the last 2 years, it hasn&#x27;t really bothered me. I was attributing it to a dietary change (went from mostly vegetarian to vegan), but at the same time, I also started working out with a personal trainer. He loves to have us doing plenty of things with our feet above our head (push-ups with feet up on a bench, burpees, but kicking up on to a bench). My reflux bothered me during workouts at first, especially if we worked out in the afternoon instead of first thing in the morning. But, now I never have reflux issues working out, and rarely have them when sleeping...
zethusalmost 2 years ago
Title isn&#x27;t completely accurate, as the author states they were kneeling bent-over, creating an incline for the food to travel up. That being said, I&#x27;ve never thought of the esophagus was a muscle that could be trained. Very cool!<p>Edit: there&#x27;s a 6&quot; riser that the author describes kneeling on, while their head is then lowered closer to the floor, supported by their arm(s).
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mihaifmalmost 2 years ago
One likely cause that&#x27;s not mentioned so far, is that paradoxically the stomach doesn&#x27;t produce enough acid. The sphincter usually closes when the stomach begins digestion, but this only happens if a certain pH threshold is reached. There are some receptors in the stomach that detect this pH level and signal the sphincter to close. The lower acidity output is typically caused by unhealthy diet and frequent meals. To fix it, apart from reducing the frequency of meals, you can ingest more acid, in the form of vinegar or lemon juice. This is counterintuitive but I can confirm it works, it helped me a lot to mitigate the problem.
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apomekhanesalmost 2 years ago
Clever &amp; sensible.<p>One potential concern with this would be the possibility of &#x27;upper airway obstruction(s)&#x27; (aka, choking). Not necessarily because this position is inherently problematic*, but because it would be a novel position to consume food** in (to presumably most people) and it&#x27;s a position that most people are likely not used to in the present day, period (i.e., we usually sit up, lie flat, etc., we aren&#x27;t typically in orientations like this for any real length of time, if at all).<p>Seems like a clever way to exercise an area that is not easy to exercise in any typical way, but I&#x27;d strongly advise caution and awareness of potential aspiration &#x2F; choking issues if trying it out, at least in initial trials.<p>* In any anatomical way I can think of off the top of my head<p>** I would avoid trying to consume liquids in this position, at least initially - aspiration is far easier with thin liquids etc. The author seems to focus on food, in any case.
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boomskatsalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;m sorry this comment doesn&#x27;t add much to the discussion, but all I can think of is the South Park episode where Eric eats with his butt.
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chrischenalmost 2 years ago
I cured my acid reflux by taking antibiotics to kill off an H. Pylori bacterial infection, which apparently affects 30%-40% of the US population.
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ac2ualmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve read a theory for acid reflux in older people that it&#x27;s caused by <i>not enough</i> stomach acid.<p>One research I was listening to said that it doesn&#x27;t make intuitive sense that we make less acid in our stomachs as we age and yet the occurrence of reflux increases in older populations, and yet we prescribe proton pump inhibitors to reduce acid production.<p>Therefore the suggestion was that the lack of acid caused food to digest slower and for fermentation to occur and aggravate whatever acid that is there, upwards.
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medleralmost 2 years ago
There are several studies showing that “inspiratory muscle training” can be effective for GERD. Basically you train by breathing in through small device that makes it harder to inhale, and that strengthens your esophageal sphincter.<p>I did this for some time and anecdotally I do believe it helped me. There are several studies showing it to be effective, but the big caveat is most if not all of these studies were small and were funded by PowerBreathe, the company that manufactures these devices.
mrcode007almost 2 years ago
In case this helps someone, GERD can be caused by a bacterial infection by H. Pylori. (According to the Wikipedia, the frequency of infection is at &gt;50% but most people never experience any symptoms.) It was getting worse after eating a lot, eating certain foods , just like for many other commenters here. After getting rid of the infection the symptoms disappeared and never returned.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helicobacter_pylori" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Helicobacter_pylori</a><p>The link to the diseases caused by the bacteria has a crazy discovery story I encourage everyone to read<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nobelprize.org&#x2F;prizes&#x2F;medicine&#x2F;2005&#x2F;press-release&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nobelprize.org&#x2F;prizes&#x2F;medicine&#x2F;2005&#x2F;press-releas...</a>
BaculumMeumEstalmost 2 years ago
Is it normal to publish a personal anecdote in this manner? I&#x27;ve never seen something like this on pubmed.
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wonderwonderalmost 2 years ago
In hopes that this helps others. I have had terrible reflux for the last ~10 years. 10-15 tums a day every day for years. About 4 months ago I started taking a scoop of glutamine (the workout supplement &#x2F; amino acid) powder in water at night before bed (not sure if the timing of when it&#x27;s taken matters). 2 weeks later and my heartburn&#x2F;reflux was essentially gone and has stayed gone. I take maybe 1 tums a week now. Many weeks it&#x27;s 0.
adamgordonbellalmost 2 years ago
Jumping off this topic.<p>I have GERD. It sucks. Reducing alcohol seemed to help a bit. A daily pantoprazole pill for it really seems to work, but has side effects.<p>What should I try? What has worked for you?
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tambourine_manalmost 2 years ago
I need images to understand how this person was eating.
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ta123456789almost 2 years ago
I think it is impressive he figured this out as a layman. This article is from one year ago, it would be interesting to see a response from some researchers. For example, have there been any studies to see if this method is valid?
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surumealmost 2 years ago
Personally I found that the following caused reflux: fiber consumption, drinking tap-water that hasn&#x27;t been boiled, consuming lentils, consuming too much red meat - e.g. 2 x large steaks a day. FYI.
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e40almost 2 years ago
I wonder if drinking water in that position would work as well as food?
iamthejuanalmost 2 years ago
What cured my GERD is, I only drink one hour before and one hour after the meal. I don&#x27;t lie down or put myself in incline position. Fruits and vegetables.
ajollyalmost 2 years ago
Saw a similar study - dry swallowing but head still below stomach.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC9550520&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC9550520&#x2F;</a> Will be trying both exercises myself.
amit9guptaalmost 2 years ago
After reading this paper and the comments on HN, further googling (actually braving) led me to buy this book:<p>Why Stomach Acid Is Good for You: Natural Relief from Heartburn, Indigestion, Reflux and GERD by Jonathan Wright<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Why-Stomach-Acid-Good-You-ebook&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00AE1M1R0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Why-Stomach-Acid-Good-You-ebook&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0...</a><p>Recommended
taericalmost 2 years ago
Isn&#x27;t a full solution, but changing from belt to suspenders helps an unreasonable amount for me. If folks want other things to try.
jancsikaalmost 2 years ago
&gt; It also remains to be seen if any contraindications exist for the LES exercise.<p>Exacerbating the condition one is trying to alleviate comes to mind.
TurkishPoptartalmost 2 years ago
This is brilliant, but do we have to eat in this pose? I&#x27;d rather just do a stretch X times a day and try this out.
yeurekaalmost 2 years ago
I had severe GERD for years. On an off PPI&#x27;s for almost 5 years, several endoscopies, pain 24h per day. It was so the bad I almost went for surgery. Then I tried the low fodmap diet and it went away. Now I only have to avoid alcohol, onions, garlic and sweet fruits to keep it at bay.
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plutonormalmost 2 years ago
I learned the same a few years ago. I have voluntary control of the lower sphincter and clamp down on it when I feel my stomach contents rising or am getting heart burn. Now that I use it more I can mostly control my heartburn.
notjonheymanalmost 2 years ago
Luckily mine just goes away with some milk. I also seem to get it a lot less now since I cut back on sodium and generally eating healthier overall. I shall add this GERD yoga gymnastics to my regimen.
guybedoalmost 2 years ago
a few routines to help w&#x2F; barret&#x27;s esopahgus and gerd:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;routineshub.com&#x2F;public&#x2F;popular&#x2F;tags&#x2F;Barrett&#x27;s%20Esophagus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;routineshub.com&#x2F;public&#x2F;popular&#x2F;tags&#x2F;Barrett&#x27;s%20Esop...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;routineshub.com&#x2F;public&#x2F;popular&#x2F;tags&#x2F;Gastroesophageal%20Reflux%20Disease" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;routineshub.com&#x2F;public&#x2F;popular&#x2F;tags&#x2F;Gastroesophageal...</a>
avgcorrectionalmost 2 years ago
This is awesome. I’m gonna try this.<p>Is there some way to train other sphincters?
langfanalmost 2 years ago
Amalaki (Sanskrit) &#x2F; amla (Hindi) &#x2F; nellikai (Tamil) &#x2F; Indian gooseberry is said to be good for acidity in Ayurveda. The fruit part of the plant, phyllanthus emblica, IIRC. Very widely used in India in different forms for many ailments. There is amla eaten raw, amla juice, amla murabba (a sort of sweet dried or wet candy), amla in honey (just had it today), in triphala, etc. Rich in Vitamin C and has many benefits.<p>I use it.<p>Triphala, another Ayurvedic remedy, is said to be a general-purpose cleanser &#x2F; gut detoxifier&#x2F; digestive tonic. Very commonly prescribed by Ayurvedic doctors.
th0ma5almost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve had a lot of luck with sodium alginate... An acquaintance mentioned doing diaphragm &#x2F; breathing exercises helped him.
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DonHopkinsalmost 2 years ago
To extrapolate this technique to its logical extreme, does this mean pooping upside down strengthens your rectal sphincter?
Fire-Dragon-DoLalmost 2 years ago
This could drastically change my health. I just have to explain my children that daddy has to eat upside down now.
abotsisalmost 2 years ago
As someone who has gerd it’s worth a shot. Little bummed to see there was nothing about controlling for at least diet.
buggythebugalmost 2 years ago
Does anyone here get a low level nausea from their GERD but almost not other symptoms?
ilyagralmost 2 years ago
I wonder how big the risk of choking with this exercise is. Be careful!
p3rlsalmost 2 years ago
only a matter of time before this joins in a hegelian synthesis with the soylent crowds&#x27; ideas and we&#x27;re all stuck eating bugs off the floor with paper forks
hi41almost 2 years ago
Accompanying diagram or a video would be so helpful.
realjohngalmost 2 years ago
Need more ppl to try it out (safely) and report back here
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ameliusalmost 2 years ago
Would eating during bungee jumps also help?
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aio2almost 2 years ago
That&#x27;s pretty cool.
lacrosse_tanninalmost 2 years ago
i need something similar for my eustacian tube dysfunction.
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fnord77almost 2 years ago
so basically eat upside down?
Wiki39366almost 2 years ago
I fixed it by drinking concentrated lemon juice (one lemon in one coup) thirty minutes before every food. There were not enough stomach juices for proper digestion, and stomach tries to push undigested food out after while. Lemon juice triggers stomache juice excretion and helps to start it. It has to be concerned, mild will just dilute juices.
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11235813213455almost 2 years ago
when you have a high fiber diet, this is never an issue, it&#x27;s like a sponge in your digestive system retaining water and stuff
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