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Node.js built-ins on Deno Deploy

129 pointsby tjwdsalmost 2 years ago

10 comments

shrubblealmost 2 years ago
I do wonder about the long-term effects of Deno being Node-compatible; will it result in only Node programming being done since "Deno will handle it fine" and thus Deno specific stuff will not be developed?
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lucasyvasalmost 2 years ago
There are many people that feel having Node support harms Deno&#x27;s goals, but I don&#x27;t agree.<p>To me, this is like complaining that you can mix JS into TypeScript projects. The only reason the latter is successful is because you can migrate from the former in a first-class way.<p>I don&#x27;t think Deno has the community support to make it on its own steam - that said, I think it&#x27;s a huge value add in terms of DX. I support them on this 100%.<p>Node is trying to add in some capabilities of Deno. We&#x27;ll see which one comes out ahead.
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lolinderalmost 2 years ago
Deno is moving into a similar space as Kotlin started at by adding all this interop—they&#x27;re trying to be the &quot;better Node&quot;. Meanwhile Kotlin is frantically trying to differentiate itself because Java is closing the gap, but it&#x27;s hard for them to do because they&#x27;ve spent so long piggybacking on the Java ecosystem.<p>Deno is very vulnerable to the same fate. Yes, it&#x27;s easier to get adoption if you can plug into an ecosystem that is already popular, but then it&#x27;s not your ecosystem and the behemoth that actually owns the ecosystem will feel the threat and adapt.<p>If you don&#x27;t prioritize interop, your initial adoption will be much much slower, but if you make it out of the early stages you have an ecosystem of your own that has its own distinct advantages. The incumbent can&#x27;t just pull in a few good features and thereby take your mind share.
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lucacasonatoalmost 2 years ago
Hey folks - I worked on this. AMA
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strangescriptalmost 2 years ago
Slowly Deno is just becoming Node written in Rust with some added flexibility in certain areas. Not necessarily a bad thing but it feels like its three years too late to get major traction. Native TS is neat, but we also have TS compilers that are measured in milliseconds now.
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sisvealmost 2 years ago
Am I the only one reading this right or am I the only one reading it wrong.<p>Deno is not supporting node.js built-ins. It&#x27;s deno deploy. Meaning that this will not work on other hosting platforms, right... or?
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skybrianalmost 2 years ago
I recently got a simple edge function working on Netlify for a tiny hobbyist project, with some minor confusion but it was fine. I&#x27;m wondering how Deno Deploy compares?
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robust-cactusalmost 2 years ago
At this point, given the state of module loading on node and other ecosystem problems, my reasons for switching to deno (or bun) are dwindling.
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mrwnmonmalmost 2 years ago
Could you please explain what Deno is like I am five? (three actually)
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endisneighalmost 2 years ago
ironically, the more node js goes into Deno, the less likely I am to switch. imho they should stay the course and not include too much node stuff.
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