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I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

83 pointsby DaNmarneralmost 2 years ago

11 comments

sergiotapiaalmost 2 years ago
What is it about Rust that attracts so much drama like this? Someone has to do the calculus here. It can&#x27;t be the sheer number of developers because Rust is still a niche language.<p>Why does Rust have these kind of shenanigans and attract people that either cause these problems or experience these problems?<p>The only other language that comes close is the V language, but that&#x27;s mostly people shitting on the language (for no good reason) and not infighting drama like Rust has.
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fwlralmost 2 years ago
My understanding of the situation is this:<p>At the request of Rust Project, JeanHeyd is asked to give a keynote at RustConf. JeanHeyd is reluctant, worried that their topic is too speculative and too much like a proposal for implementing a Rust feature. They ask around and get told it’s definitely ok, please don’t decline the talk, etc. Later, after the talk is prepared, RustConf contacts JeanHeyd to say their talk has been downgraded from keynote, at the request of Rust Project. The reason given is that Rust Project does not want to endorse their direction on this feature. It is not a very good reason, as JeanHeyd had already taken many steps to make it clear in the talk that this is speculative, was not offered a chance to make changes to the talk that make it even more clear that Rust Project doesn’t endorse it, was only giving a talk on this topic because Rust Project requested it in the first place, and there have been other keynotes that also run afoul of this reason but were not bumped in this manner. JeanHeyd writes a blog post explaining this, retracting their talk entirely, and posing the question: what is the real reason for the bump? Later, JT resigns from all roles in rustlang, citing JeanHeyd’s blog post but not otherwise elaborating.<p>Obviously, all the interesting stuff is happening below the surface here. I’ll hazard a few guesses (and that’s all they are, <i>just</i> guesses; I don’t know the situation and I don’t know the people in it, nor am I speaking for them):<p>1. “Losing an internal political battle”. JT may have been involved in having Rust Project push JeanHeyd <i>for</i> the talk. Others in Rust Project were <i>against</i> the talk, and had Rust Project reverse course on it. JT resigns in protest.<p>2. “Discovering and being dismayed by internal politics”. People outside the Rust Project were echoing JeanHeyd’s question, what is the real reason here? JT is well-connected and respected in the Rust community and may have tried to find out the real reason. Perhaps JT finds the real reason and is disgusted (or perhaps JT gets similarly stonewalled, and is disgusted by that), and resigns.<p>3. (More speculative, based on both JeanHeyd and JT being open about their neurodivergence, drawing on my own as well) “Autists trying to avoid internal politics”. Many aspects of how Rust Project handled this situation would be uncomfortable for autistic individuals (opaque decision-making process, abrupt reversal, inadequate justification, not up for debate - to name a few). JT may therefore find it inhospitable, and so resigns.
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colejohnson66almost 2 years ago
Here&#x27;s the reasoning, should the tweets get deleted: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thephd.dev&#x2F;i-am-no-longer-speaking-at-rustconf-2023" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thephd.dev&#x2F;i-am-no-longer-speaking-at-rustconf-2023</a>
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TazeTSchnitzelalmost 2 years ago
It seems the person who resigned here was on the Rust core team, and had been involved in Rust for quite a long time (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;internals.rust-lang.org&#x2F;t&#x2F;announcement-jonathan-turner-joins-mozillas-rust-team&#x2F;3278" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;internals.rust-lang.org&#x2F;t&#x2F;announcement-jonathan-turn...</a>).
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WatchDogalmost 2 years ago
Resigning over someone else’s talk being bumped into a different slot? All seems overly dramatic.
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PeterWhittakeralmost 2 years ago
Related: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36091242" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36091242</a>
v3gajerusalemalmost 2 years ago
Sounds like a normal work week to me. Try working at amazon lol. Oh the shit can change…and it will! It will change.
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avinasshalmost 2 years ago
Wait, there are two entities now, Rust Project and Rust Foundation?
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hprotagonistalmost 2 years ago
Sayre’s Law
m0lluskalmost 2 years ago
Was not able to load this. Maybe it is time to reconsider using Twitter this way?
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rvzalmost 2 years ago
So someone getting upset over their powerpoint presentation getting downgraded from being part of the RustConf keynote.<p>That’s it? Much like an explosion in an ant hill.
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