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The shutdown of library.nu

144 pointsby tathagatadgabout 13 years ago

16 comments

ya3rabout 13 years ago
We here in Iran have an extra problem. I'll explain:<p>Apple's App store, does not work in Iran, you cannot download anything from the app store (you get the famous 1009 error). But many people like myself have iPhones and iPads. Is it okay to pirate iOS apps?<p>Mathwork's website will not load if you try to access it from an IP address form Iran. Neither they sell their widely used software (Matlab) in academics to Iranians. I wonder am I guilty to pirate Matlab?<p>Also many other services including Paypal, Google's Android Market and Amazon are the same.<p>I wonder what if I want to read the famous `Art of Computer Programming`? Am I guilty if I pirate it?
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okamiueruabout 13 years ago
The article points out the valid complaint from people who do not have access to legitimate ways of obtaining books/information, and makes a point of saying he does not endorse the way library.nu operated.<p>I'd disagree. We're presented with a technology which is slowly replacing the institutions we take for granted and made a great improvement on society. I'm thinking about both libraries and radio.<p>As Neil Young said, piracy is the new radio. Except that it is better and easier to access. And library.nu functioned as my library, except that it is better and easier to access.<p>If the music I was interested overlapped with the mainstream, then radio would probably be good, and if the library had the technical books I like, then that would too. Alas, they don't, and both internet and library.nu are (latter: were) my substitutions. I've downloaded all the books I've purchased after graduating a year ago (which is around 5). Even after owning a book, I've downloaded the same at work and shown it to a colleague, who also ended up purchasing it. When I look for a book on a topic of interest, I search amazon, read a few reviews, then download it on library.nu. The decision to buy it is done after going through the book and see if I like how the author writes, how the example code is, and especially how it covers my specific topic, before buying it. Usually, if it is a broad topic, I do this for about 3-5 books, and decide on which one to buy.<p>I'm going to go further than the author, and endorse library.nu for all its worth. Both as a library and for those who cannot afford, or don't have access. As for the freeloaders, or more precisely the <i>actual</i> losses: I believe they are small enough that it outweighs the cost. And honestly, if they <i>didn't</i>, the marked would adapt.
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slavakabout 13 years ago
Can we just agree that it's wrong to do market segmentation for electronic goods based on geographic location? It's an anachronistic model that has no justification other than for padding BigCo's(tm) profit margins.<p>If the big media companies actually cared about piracy they would abandon this system and see piracy drop significantly overnight. Then again I think we all know that's just an excuse to try and hang on to the overinflated profits they're accustomed to for just a little bit longer.
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wistyabout 13 years ago
IP laws exist to <i>promote</i> publication, not reduce it. If IP owners aren't publishing in a country, why should that country protect their IP?<p>Oh, wait, there's an international treaties, and pro-copyright UN organization administering it. That UN can't ban the execution of children, but can enforce 70 years plus life of the author says a lot about the power of vested interests.
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pooriaazimiabout 13 years ago
I completely agree.<p>I would gladly pay $100 for K&#38;R's C Programming Language, but sadly I can't do that (It's against US export laws to sell to me). Yesterday I spent almost an hour trying to find an <i>offset</i> copy of Dragon Book (Compilers), but I couldn't find it (there are none), so I have to bury myself in ebooks on my iPad (which is not a great experience).
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krat0sprakharabout 13 years ago
I totally agree with the comment on the OP's blog: "books have basi­cally been my sin­gu­lar source of invest­ment, more because of the site than in spite of it." I can't seem to remember how many books I've purchased after downloading them from library.nu. Being in India, library.nu was a gem when a substantial number of books aren't available at Rupee prices.
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aleccoabout 13 years ago
I buy a lot of books in english. Currently I live in South America. Last book I bought from Amazon-US (Thinking Fast and Slow) <i>took 2 months to arrive</i>.<p>I love <i>ebooks</i> but those cost almost the same as hardcopy and you <i>lose the right to lend or sell</i>. Also, the quality of the content is usually very inferior. Recently I did ebook management software so I know the ins and outs.<p>The <i>temptation to use unpaid electronic copies</i> is bigger than ever. Specially after noting the higher <i>management on publishing businesses is usually in the 55+ age range</i> and repeat how they only want to keep the status quo until they retire.
altxwallyabout 13 years ago
I was a big fan of library.nu. As a student in Mexico, you just cannot get some of the books that were available in there, so it was incredibly useful. I no longer used the site so much, but I'm still grateful that this site was live when I went to university. It kind of marvels me how artificial are the limits that humans put on knowledge that can be useful to others, I hope we can solve this problem someday.
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rmcabout 13 years ago
Whenever anyone talks about copyright and piracy they seem to include a sop "Obviously I'm not against piracy and don't support breaking the law". Why do they always do that.<p>I'm in favour of piracy when it's for the greater good.
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sireatabout 13 years ago
This hits closer to home than I thought it would.<p>Let's leave aside the fact library.nu was illegal under current laws, but for many books it was the only reasonable option to obtain it.<p>library.nu offered extreme convenience for those outside of US especially in the education sector.<p>When I lived in US, it was quite inexpensive to order physical books. I used to order older editions of university books for a few bucks each and shipping was very inexpensive (think Amazon Prime now).<p>Now in Europe it is quite hard to bargain shop for books. Perhaps anyone have any tips?<p>Shopping on Amazon is physically painful, when you see how much you end up paying for extra costs.<p>Then there is the matter of buying experience for e-books.<p>Buying e-books on O'Reilly feels the best out of all current e-book sellers, you actually feel like an owner of the e-book(even though of course you really are not).<p>Still the ideal would be that e-books would be inexpensive to purchase and that buying a physical book would qualify one for e-book version.
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f4stjackabout 13 years ago
Whenever I read anything about piracy I often think of Gabe Newell's ubiquitous speech which underlines one single thing: Piracy is a service problem. And books are not an exception.
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regularfryabout 13 years ago
It seems to me that, especially with India, there's a big question which nobody is asking. When foreign companies can't or won't supply the market at a suitable price, where is the local replacement? Why isn't this being fixed by local competition? India outpopulates the US four to one - is it credible that Indian engineers and publishers are somehow incapable of producing output that is to the same, or better, standard as that from the US at a price more commensurate with the local market?
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benwerdabout 13 years ago
Seems like there's an opportunity for some kind of middle ground.<p>Books are emotive. Why not embrace the community's desire to make titles available in different markets, but manage it in such a way that the publisher is involved in the process and has ultimate approval over a digitized version? Active community members get books for free based on the degree of their participation. Everyone else gets to buy designated "community editions" of titles with a proper cut going back to the copyright owner. The community platform takes enough money to keep itself ticking over, including a cut for partner services that make it possible to sell in hard-to-reach global markets.<p>Sounds crazy, perhaps, but only because publishers still want a one-way relationship. A deep participative relationship with their global community of readers would only be a good thing. And it's less crazy for the publishers / authors than not making any money from these markets at all.
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DTrejoabout 13 years ago
List of alternatives to library.nu (see first comment):<p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/hrgmv/tracker_with_pdfsebooks_of_college_textbooks/c1xrq44" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/hrgmv/tracker_with...</a>
chjabout 13 years ago
Same pain, there is always times that I wanted to buy an old book from amazon, but told me it is only available in US. Then I always turn to library.nu for help. Sad it is gone.<p>The only complaint I have about copyright protection is they should try to make their work accessible. Otherwise, there will be another library.nu given time.
urzaabout 13 years ago
<a href="http://gen.lib.rus.ec/" rel="nofollow">http://gen.lib.rus.ec/</a> <a href="http://en.bookfi.org/" rel="nofollow">http://en.bookfi.org/</a> <a href="http://pastebin.com/LTZfu2DX" rel="nofollow">http://pastebin.com/LTZfu2DX</a>