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Company to pay fine after hiring fake priest to extract confessions of workers

123 pointsby exar0815almost 2 years ago

15 comments

juujianalmost 2 years ago
The fine is only $5,000, while they have to pay $140,000 in back wages. Imagine you stole $140,000 and all you had to do was pay a fine. If anything, we are learning here that there is a pretty low risk associated with trying to pull something like that off.
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cs702almost 2 years ago
This reads like the beginning of a plot of a really bad, poorly-written movie -- the kind that I&#x27;d quickly dismiss as too implausible.<p>&quot;Ha-ha, there&#x27;s no way any sane manager would ever hire an actor to play a priest to obtain private details about employees&#x27; personal lives,&quot; I would have thought.<p>And yet, it&#x27;s real. <i>Shame</i> on everyone who was in on this malignant ploy.<p>Sigh.
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planedealmost 2 years ago
I have trouble imagining how this worked. Where did the fake priest operate? At a nearby church? Or did he visit the workplace and offer his services there?<p>edit:<p>OK, looks like I just missed it. It seems the &quot;priest&quot; did just visit the workplace during work hours. It&#x27;s super weird.
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londons_explorealmost 2 years ago
&gt; reported that a manager falsely claimed that immigration issues would be raised<p>&gt; Investigators also found [...] some employees faced “adverse immigration consequences” for cooperating with investigators.<p>So... The real winner here was the company. The employees involved were warned they would be booted out of the country, and then they were booted out of the country, all for reporting their employer for unfair practices.<p>So the employee got ~$4000 in back wages, but he and probably his family got ejected from their home country, school, job, friends, and life, with probably a lifetime ban from returning.<p>And the US department of Labor has no ability to get those employees back into the country.
wonderwonderalmost 2 years ago
&quot;managers were paid bonuses from the employee tip pool&quot;<p>That&#x27;s pretty low
RalfWausEalmost 2 years ago
Its rare that i lust for having someone burned at the stake... but in THIS particular case...
JimtheCoderalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;m just surprised this happened in California...I would have expected another state...
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NoZebra120vClipalmost 2 years ago
This is an interesting quandary for officials of the Catholic Church.<p>Now, &quot;fake priests&quot; can often be hired to solemnize weddings. If the couple is unhappy with the way their legitimate Catholic parish is handling things (9 months prep is too long, too expensive, won&#x27;t let them sing &quot;Imagine&quot;, requires bridesmaids to cover their shoulders, won&#x27;t do ceremony on the beach) then the couple can easily contact an &quot;independent&quot; Catholic priest who has all the <i>bona fides</i> (or not; such priests may have been laicized or excommunicated) and who will happily accommodate their every need, for a price. This, however, may not confer the legitimate Catholic marriage that they were hoping for. Because Catholics are required to observe &quot;proper form&quot; which means we must marry in the context of a Mass, or get a dispensation. So if the priest won&#x27;t observe canonical form, the couple ends up with an invalid wedding, which means they aren&#x27;t married at all, but cohabiting. However, if the priest does observe canonical form, it is possible that the couple does validly marry, because the priest is merely a witness to the marriage: the couple are the actual ministers of the sacrament when they freely exchange consent. So, there are possibilities when it comes to marriage.<p>However, a &quot;fake priest&quot; cannot validly absolve people of their sins in any case. The reason is that absolution (forgiveness in the confessional) requires jurisdiction. Jurisdiction is conferred by the bishop of a place and priests carry a <i>celebret</i> indicating that they hold faculties to do such things as celebrate Mass, preach homilies, hear confessions, perform baptisms, etc. A priest without jurisdiction is definitely faking confessions. If the priest is laicized, or excommunicated, or schismatic, or simply visiting another territory and hasn&#x27;t procured faculties from the ordinary, he lacks jurisdiction.<p>I am betting that their &quot;fake priest&quot; was or is a Catholic priest of some kind, but possibly schismatic or laicized. It would&#x27;ve probably been someone who knew all the right words and actions that could&#x27;ve put on a convincing act for these workers (I assume they were probably mostly Latino Catholics here and that&#x27;s why they were scammed in this manner.) I am glad that the Diocese of Sacramento has promptly released a statement disavowing knowledge; that&#x27;s doing the right thing.<p>Oh yeah, and if you want a &quot;fake priest&quot; to baptize your baby, that will totally work. Because, actually, anyone and everyone can baptize. You don&#x27;t need a priest or a deacon, except that they know the right words. Even an atheist or a pagan could baptize someone. That&#x27;s what is unique about this sacrament.
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jacknewsalmost 2 years ago
Just wow.<p>I know this is the extreme end of the scale, but the entire scale stinks.<p>Workers should also be owners.
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protoman3000almost 2 years ago
Innocent and dependent people being brutally exploited and abused by evil and greedy people, being brought to justice by society.<p>What&#x27;s your sentiment after hearing about a story like this?
function_sevenalmost 2 years ago
This is an NLRB thing right? Do these employees still have a good case in civil court?
Curzelalmost 2 years ago
I was ready with &quot;FloridaCorp&quot;, turns out it&#x27;s California, RIP my joke
womittalmost 2 years ago
Advanced methods
isanjayalmost 2 years ago
What a headline lol
DonHopkinsalmost 2 years ago
Churches should also pay fines (and taxes) for hiring real priests to extract confessions.<p>And also for deceptively mislabeling crackers and wine as human flesh and blood, and grooming children into cannibalism and vampirism.