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Scientists Shouldn’t Debate Gaslighters

24 pointsby adamleoalmost 2 years ago

6 comments

EA-3167almost 2 years ago
I agree with the sentiment, but disagree with using &quot;gaslighters&quot; as the term. VERY few people online seem to have a grasp of what gaslighting actually is, and when we want to describe dishonest&#x2F;disruptive interlocutors, better terminology already exists.<p>As a headline I feel like that&#x27;s easy to ignore or deride, when it makes a good point which reflects the general consensus in academia and beyond.<p>Don&#x27;t. Feed. The. Trolls.
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tmalyalmost 2 years ago
I honestly would have loved to have seen the debate. It seems like everything is one sided these days. Why can&#x27;t people debate with their minds?
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anenefanalmost 2 years ago
Agree other comments, it&#x27;s not gaslighting. Knowing what terms mean is sort of important.<p>As for out there and up a tree, if there are facts, they are always welcome. However much of it often isn&#x27;t.<p>I&#x27;d say one of the better bits of advice is ...<p><i>&quot;Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.&quot;</i> -- Mark Twain
Multicompalmost 2 years ago
Perhaps we could bring in some conventions from honor duels to help level the playing field?<p>Alice thinks Bob has slighted her honor, so Alice challenges Bob to a duel (to first blood, the death, whatever). Bob looks like a sore loser and coward if he backs down, but on the balancing side, Bob gets to pick the date and method of the duel.<p>Let&#x27;s convert this into an academic debate based on the article.<p>Alice thinks Bob&#x27;s claims regarding the COVID-19 vaccine are wrong, so she challenges him to a debate so she can prove that COVID-19 does in fact make you get mind control from 5G (or whatever conspiracy theory). Bob can choose not to entertain the motion, and his opponents get to claim they are &#x27;just asking questions&#x27;. But if Bob accepts, he gets to stipulate that the debate take place on X date and in Y format, so he can choose to say &quot;in 3 weeks, over written communication&quot; which can help curb Alice&#x27;s desire to &#x27;win&#x27; by throwing around so many claims in such rapid fire fashion, there is no opportunity for Bob to properly address them without looking nit-picky or running out of debate time.
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alexfromapexalmost 2 years ago
I find it appalling that an editor of Science is basically writing an opinion article advocating character assassination and trying to pass it off as “science”.
shrubblealmost 2 years ago
&quot;a controversy surrounding an invitation to prominent vaccine scientist Peter Hotez to debate anti-vax charlatan and spoiler presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr&quot;<p>Quite the unbiased opening... a close relative of a beloved President, son of a former Attorney General and also candidate for President, is dismissed as a &#x27;spoiler&#x27;?<p>And what would his political stances matter in a question of science?<p>This is not good journalism...
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