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Happiness is a reward from our ancestors

98 pointsby jinjin2almost 2 years ago

22 comments

cjohnson318almost 2 years ago
&gt; In Swedish... someone happy in the moment is called glad... Someone happy in the longer-term is called lycklig. And we are not just some millions of weirdos in the northernmost of Europe. The Germans are froh when they are happy in the short term and glücklich when they are happy in the long term...<p>Just because you don&#x27;t have a dedicated word for something, doesn&#x27;t mean that it is a foreign concept. In Arabic and Hebrew there&#x27;s no dedicated verbs for &quot;to have&quot; or &quot;to be&quot; in the present tense, and yet these societies understand ownership and existence in the present perfectly. You can&#x27;t take, like, two words from a language, and then say something meaningful about a whole society.
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carlossouzaalmost 2 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;4q1dgn_C0AU" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;4q1dgn_C0AU</a><p>“The surprising science of happiness”, from Dan Gilbert, is one of the best TED talks of all time (over 4M views). In his amazing &amp; funny 20’ presentation, he explains how our brains are wired and how it relates to happiness. The article reminded me of this great content
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majormajoralmost 2 years ago
I think &quot;content&quot; is the English word the author is looking for - the first definition I see on Google from Oxford is &quot;in a state of peaceful happiness&quot; which seems like the intended long-term meaning - &quot;a state&quot;, not a moment, and &quot;peaceful&quot;, not surprise-driven.<p>Beyond that, I&#x27;m a bit lost by where this is going - like the segue into confidence and building confidence by e.g. learning about roof building techniques if you were to build a house. What&#x27;s the connection between that building a house - whether correctly or not - and the long term happiness?<p>It&#x27;s suggested that we &quot;emulate past evolutionary strategies&quot; and &quot;we need to win the confidence of the minds of our ancestors&quot; but... what strategies and past-mind approvals, exactly? And how? Is it materialist&#x2F;economic&#x2F;Marxian, an alienation of labor thing? Something more cultural? Family?
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simonsteralmost 2 years ago
At some point in high school, I realized that the reason I was unhappy was that I was suppressing my feelings and ignoring what they were telling me. Instead, I needed to learn how to predict my feelings in advance and guide my behavior and thoughts proactively to avoid feeling unhappy.<p>The kind of &quot;confidence&quot; that is important to happiness is very specific. Overall, I&#x27;m less confident and more anxious than the average person. What I can do is convince myself that I&#x27;m making the best decisions for myself under the circumstances I find myself in. As long as I can make optimal decisions without feeling strong negative emotions, I simply don&#x27;t have to feel those emotions. For me, happiness is not &quot;lack of a persistent itch to do things differently&quot; — what is important is that, if I have a persistent itch to do things differently, I actually follow it.
the_maralmost 2 years ago
I stopped reading when the author said the word &quot;joy&quot; can&#x27;t be used as an adjective. What about &quot;joyful&quot; or &quot;joyous&quot;? And I know it&#x27;s not exactly the same word but neither is &quot;happy&quot; and &quot;happiness&quot;.
pontifieralmost 2 years ago
When I drink alcohol, I&#x27;ve found that it disrupts more recently evolved cognitive function before the older, more core regions.<p>I now use alcohol as a way to &quot;call upon my ancient ancestors to guide my actions&quot;.
johny115almost 2 years ago
I see that lot of people critize this a lot, but after reading the earlier post linked in the begining of it, it strongly reminds me of Carl Jung&#x27;s individuation.<p>A lifelong process that involves an individual becoming whole by integrating various aspects of their personality and becoming their true authentic self.<p>Jung spoke about humanity suffering from neurosis, if they basically deep down feel that their life is meaningless. Oversimplified example is - if parents want a kid to be a doctor, and the kid succeeds at that, but is then severly unhappy, because he supressed parts of himself to do that.<p>Individuation is life long process, where the person is trying to put all the parts of themselves into light, even the parts they for example don&#x27;t like about themselves, like being lazy, vain, etc. (The Shadow). And then live according to that authentic self.<p>Jungs&#x27;s theory has nothing to do with evolutionary psychology or the idea that most people shoud be farmers like our ancestors or something. But it is similar in the way, that there is effort to uncover what makes someone happy - and that idea the depression is a message to the person that they are not on the right track, not one aligned with their authentic self. Depression is then considered a tool, a valuable one, and no mistake of brain chemistry or something.<p>I think there is something about this - that depression is lack of meaning. I also heard that in the startup context - a burnout is a state where you care about something, but come to subconscious realization that you are powerless to change it. It is basically another way a meaninglessness manifests. Because if you come to believe you can&#x27;t influnce something, why would you keep working on it right? Your body will refuse that.<p>What the author of the article did is Jung&#x27;s ideation, when she got married, moved to countryside and all that. Her explanation was evolutionary psychology and thinking it has somthing to do with her genetic ancestors, but that&#x27;s just one explanation. In essence, she only admitted to herself, what she is really like deep down and then acted upon it. Ancestors or not, she got closer to her authentic self - instead of letting herself be programmed by the society. For somebody else though, the countryside life and kids might NOT be the right answer for them. Everybody is different, hence why it&#x27;s called Individuation - seperating yourself, individualizing into your own authentic self.
Groxxalmost 2 years ago
The title:<p>&gt;<i>Happiness is a reward from our ancestors</i><p>Followed by the subtitle:<p>&gt;<i>Long-term happiness only comes to those who emulate their successful ancestors</i><p>Did anyone else get a severe case of mental whiplash from that? I pretty strongly agree with the title in many ways (the now is built on the shoulders of the past), but holy cow I do not agree with that subtitle <i>at all</i>.<p>The rest of this reads like a pile of Sapir-Whorf combined with &quot;works on my machine means it&#x27;s correct&quot;.
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sirobgalmost 2 years ago
&gt; If, for example, you would build a house, you might not feel confident that the roof will resist rain and snow. The good way to handle such fears is to learn about state-of-the-art roof construction. The bad way to handle such fears is to take a mindfulness class where you learn how to feel confidence in the face of the unknown.<p>To me, this &quot;good way&quot; isn&#x27;t a way to build confidence.<p>If you dig the roof building subject, you will probably stumble upon different good building solutions. Worst, you could find out the subject is controversial.<p>In the first case, you need confidence to pick a solution.<p>In the second case, you need even more confidence to pick a solution.<p>To me, confidence builds up when you face situations like this, pick a solution amongst all these options even though it might not be optimal or even though it&#x27;s disputed, and either get rewarded with a positive outcome or with a lesson clear enough that you know it will help you do better next time.<p>To generalize further, to me confidence builds up when you are satisfied about the outcome you got when you battled challenges that matter to you, or satisfied about your behavior during the battle itself.
raz32dustalmost 2 years ago
Interesting way to put it, but is it particularly insightful? You&#x27;re happy when you&#x27;re doing things you think you should be doing, and what you think you should be doing is of course determined by evolution, modulo random mutations. I don&#x27;t see how this helps me in any constructive way though. It is an intriguing thought exercise though.
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w0de0almost 2 years ago
My most unambiguously successful ancestor was the one who invented fire, or the one who got the hang of oxygen breathing. One expects their lives were brutishly unhappy.
psureshalmost 2 years ago
In Indian philosophy the ultimate happiness is called _thürēya_ , roughly translates to blissfulness and it is akin to _nirvāna_, the salvation
Barrin92almost 2 years ago
The most interesting sentence is the title of the piece. Happiness is a reward. Chasing happiness is a fundamentally mistaken project because if you just want to be in a mental state of happiness, do drugs, it&#x27;s that easy. We got plenty of pharmaceuticals that short circuit all the annoying steps you have to do to be happy.<p>Roger Scruton in &quot;On Beauty&quot; made a related point about erotic art and porn. What distinguishes the latter from the former is that porn is really about the experience the viewer gets out of it, the object is interchangeable and even degraded (literally humans reduced to body parts). Whereas erotic art requires &#x27;disinterested interest&#x27;. that is judgement without reference to one&#x27;s desires. It elevates, which is why there is beauty in erotic art but not pornography.<p>Almost always when people talk about how to &#x27;feel happy&#x27; they&#x27;re really after the same kind of thing that Scruton says pornography satisfies. The much more meaningful thing is to look for beauty, which like truth or goodness is pursued for its own sake. That&#x27;s arguably more meaningful, and it has little to do with whether you feel happy or sad about it.
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scaramangaalmost 2 years ago
Haha, the funny part about this article is the mention of people trying to find happiness by studying the works of people who seem constitutionally unable to experience joy and, perhaps as a symptom of that, are extremely prolific authors on the internet.<p>Not to say that that&#x27;s laughable per se, cos who knows what people take from reading the ramblings of unhappy people, some probably vibe with it, others may pity it.
bashmelekalmost 2 years ago
On the subject of different kinds of happiness, I enjoyed reading Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics. He talked of eudaimonia, ie “good spirit”, “good condition of the personal daimon.” A sort of “thriving” or doing well. This is, in his language, the human good.<p>But what fascinated me was the brief mention of another good, a good more proper to a god than to mankind, “makarios.” We might translate it “blessed.”<p>In the everyday language of the ancient Greeks, the word could be used in other ways too. One could call the carefree lives of children, or of the rich and beautiful, “blessed” in this sense.
mberningalmost 2 years ago
Conan, what is best in life?<p>I don’t think we can look too much at our ancestors to conjure a definition of happiness.<p>It’s probably wrong to labor under the idea that people ought to be happy.<p>The fact that the human mind has such an infinite capacity for suffering and misery, while on the other hand having relatively less capacity for happiness, suggests that our minds are predisposed to not being happy, or not being happy for too long.
asimovfanalmost 2 years ago
We experience everything through our own mind. The only actual substance we have access to is the experience of our own mind. Like soybeans or imitation crab, doesn&#x27;t matter what the content of the experience is, it is made up of the same substance.
baerriealmost 2 years ago
Learning from your suffering is just about all it takes. For me, believing my suffering was “real” took some time and introspection. Now I draw a hard line at the things I don’t wish to do. The consequences are my path, if it is too miserable, try another.
dilawaralmost 2 years ago
Happiness, like pain, is definitely a spectrum.
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ck2almost 2 years ago
So weird when people with such obvious limited life experience try to surmise &quot;how things work&quot; based on that limited experience.<p>That&#x27;s not science, that&#x27;s how we got severely warped things like religion.<p>Long-term happiness is for some of the same reasons we have long-term psychotics.<p>Consciousness simply allows the fourth dimension of time applied to emotions.
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lo_zamoyskialmost 2 years ago
Speaking of ancestors, I think it is unfortunate that so many are unaware of what <i>they</i> found to be true about happiness, and what happiness is, and what it isn&#x27;t. I am not impressed by evolutionary psychology and its superficial and half-baked just-so stories. Biology and psychology can give us hints and signs about things which are then folded into any sound account of the human person, but it is just that: information that enters into a fuller account. Very often, we don&#x27;t even have that. We have unsophisticated intellectual dilettantism and amateur dabbling.<p>We must first determine what happiness is before it makes sense to talk about how to achieve it. Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, and others in the Western tradition have much to say about it [0]. They also have much to say about how to attain it. It make sense to start there.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.simonandschuster.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;How-and-How-Not-to-Be-Happy&#x2F;J-Budziszewski&#x2F;9781684511075" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.simonandschuster.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;How-and-How-Not-to-Be...</a>
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throwaway892238almost 2 years ago
I sincerely hope that nobody assumes that because this is on the top of HN that this isn&#x27;t batshit crazy garbage. HN is an echo chamber that can turn a logical mind into one that starts assuming every premise upvoted on here is acceptable. Don&#x27;t fall into that trap.
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