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On Sociopaths and Progress

18 pointsby jzdziarskialmost 2 years ago

12 comments

agentultraalmost 2 years ago
Some harm is even willfully hidden: the tobacco industry hiding that they knew about cancer risks, oil &amp; gas hiding that they knew about climate change, chemical companies that knew about the risks of PFAS and environmental leakage; it goes on and on.<p>Profits over people.
mortbalmost 2 years ago
Some ten years ago I relalized that the tech industry has little regard for what the socetietal consequences of tech developments will be. Since then work has not been fun in the same way. For example, social media fun to use, but when you think about it, it is just using our human vanity and desire to be seen to gather as much data from us as possible to use in ways that the users will never imagine. These uses of will not be in best intrest of the users, but of the business that collect the data. I foresaw that giving away strong encryption for free, will give criminals the tools they need to build there own empires. My thesis was proved by encrochat. Of course that service was exposed, but of course theere will be new ones, harder to crack. As for AI the dice has been rolled, no way to put it back. We have been taugth that it is fun to develop new technology, that progress is good and to earn as much as possible. Who teaches us to philosophize about the consequences? Wouldn&#x27;t it be better if our developments were saving the world and our human race? We are tapping the life out of our planet.
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cosmiccatnapalmost 2 years ago
This article seems to assume that this is an isolated incident or that the CEO and other CEOs in question are somehow not responsible for the murder of their consumers. This wasn&#x27;t somehow being risky trying to find a solution to cold fusion or how to grow food the size of a car to solve world hunger...they wanted to skim money from the wealthy to go see a monument to the folly and decadence of wealth.<p>This is as true of Tesla, meta, Amazon, alphabet, M$ and apple and the reason this incident has sparked such catharsis is that it happens constantly. There is a great article to be written on why there is such hatred for these people but it has to start by admitting that people&#x27;s feelings are valid and this article simply didn&#x27;t have the spine to explore that idea. It was clearly written to allow the author to convince themselves of something they know they don&#x27;t really believe and it doesn&#x27;t deserve to be read by anybody on here, go read a vacume manual and you will find more thought provoking content.
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hotpotamusalmost 2 years ago
In the skeptical community, they typically put people like Rush on a spectrum (it&#x27;s almost never a simple binary) between grifter and true believer. Perhaps the reason that so much ink has been used to study Elizabeth Holmes is that she&#x27;s almost impossible to figure out within that spectrum.<p>But Rush seems to lean heavily towards true believer. If he wanted to scam people, he could have found much more remunerative ways to do it, and he certainly wouldn&#x27;t have piloted the sub himself.
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roenxialmost 2 years ago
It is worth a reminder that a healthy human&#x27;s emotions are calibrated to perform optimally in a &lt;1,000 community stuck together for life with scarce food, no technology and opponents who are fought with sharp sticks and blunt stones.<p>That moral framework doesn&#x27;t function at the extremes of how human societies work these days. People keep demanding that leaders behave in a way that makes sense for a tiny community, and therefore regularly get ineffective or deceptive leadership. One of the reasons capitalism is so powerful is it puts rationalist guidelines in place instead of religious ones.
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rmahalmost 2 years ago
The author asks &quot;Is loss of human life really necessary to innovation?&quot; The answer is: yes. In fact the loss of human life is really necessary to the simple continued existence of civilization (at pretty much every level). This may sound trite, but every change introduces new risks and dangers. I think most people would agree those risks should be <i>reasonably</i> minimized. Society can argue about what is &quot;reasonable&quot;.
tokaialmost 2 years ago
The jump from criticising OceanGate to Americans loving when sociopaths run companies, doesn&#x27;t make any sense. I guess he believes Rush was a sociopath and not just a cheapskate. It is a hell of an assumption to make with no backing. Especially weird when the author thumbs his nose at the general consensus that OceanGate was run in an unsafe manner, a position with a lot of evidence behind it
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debaclealmost 2 years ago
The capital class&#x27;s criteria for investment as well as the self-selecting nature of risk creates an environment where sociopaths will be highly over-represented in certain arenas.<p>No sane person would want to be Elon Musk. Some of you here might think you would like to be him, and you might for an afternoon or a day, but not a lifetime.
andrewclunnalmost 2 years ago
Calling CEOs sociopaths is like your ex a narcissist. It&#x27;s trendy, and might even be true in some cases, but I gotta think there&#x27;s some projection going on here.
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jraby3almost 2 years ago
The argument that musk is a sociopath because his cars have had 17 fatalities on autopilot, despite that being less than human drivers, is ridiculous. That proves the exact opposite point - that musk cares about human life.<p>Garbage article.
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slibhbalmost 2 years ago
There&#x27;s something to the idea that Americans tolerate devil-may-care risk-takers but the idea that Stockton Rush and Elon Musk are sociopaths is absurd. Hell, Rush went down with the ship (so to speak).<p>What&#x27;s of interest here is not the (small number of) deaths caused by &quot;captains of industry&quot; but the irrational fixation of people like the author on these figures.
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donatjalmost 2 years ago
If we required all human innovation to be completely safe, fire would still be in the early alpha stage.<p>There is absolutely a balance between safety and progress. Progress depends on the ability of the first version to be imperfect. Perfect is the enemy of good, and so many technologies both cost lives AND save lives in greater proportion.
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