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YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

907 pointsby prhrbalmost 2 years ago

157 comments

kitsunesobaalmost 2 years ago
This doesn&#x27;t really affect me since I subscribe to premium, but something that a lot of ad-based services don&#x27;t seem to grasp is <i>why</i> people block ads.<p>It&#x27;s because they&#x27;ve become increasingly obnoxious. Nobody blocked ads when they were a simple column of links in the gutter or maybe an animated GIF banner with 3 frames. No, adblockers became popular because ads kept getting more loud (both visually and audibly), in your face, and resource hungry (remember those flash ads that&#x27;d keep your CPU pegged?). The web became unusable if you didn&#x27;t have a blocker installed.<p>Web advertisers seem like a classic case of taking miles when given an inch.
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_gabe_almost 2 years ago
This is just so funny to me. Google has to have the absolute worst PR for any company I&#x27;ve ever seen to make this happen. Somehow, they&#x27;ve duped the general public (at least on HN) into believing they insert the ads into videos. All they need to do is run a marketing campaign about how as a content creator <i>you</i> get to decide when ads play, whether they&#x27;re unskippable, and how many ads to place in your video. Blast that all over the internet so people realize that the ads in videos are not there because of YT (unless that channel has &lt; 1K subs and &lt; 4K watch hours, then that&#x27;s definitely YT).<p>Leave angry comments on the videos you watch and tell the creators your pissed at them for how many ads they place. This is one area YT gives almost full autonomy to the creator. They can choose everything except which ads get played.
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garciasnalmost 2 years ago
From the article:<p>&gt;“YouTube’s ad-supported model supports a diverse ecosystem of creators, and provides billions of people globally access to content for free with ads,” the company’s statement says.<p>Let&#x27;s at least be 100% honest with everyone and stop with the disingenuous garbage:<p>1. Ad-blocker usage is roughly 25-30% of US users.<p>2. The average YouTube content creator makes less than 0.02 per ad view and thus why many of the large ones choose to use sponsors instead. Most YouTube content creators aren&#x27;t making ANY money, let alone enough for them to care all that much. For those that are, they&#x27;re doing just fine w&#x2F;ad-blockers being used.<p>3. Google made nearly $70 billion in Q1; they&#x27;re not hurting at all, especially their executives.<p>4. The on-going rise in the use of ad-block technologies is simply because platforms, sites, etc, are all absolutely inundating viewers with so much trash in an effort to make more money that it&#x27;s almost a requirement to use them without having a shitty experience.
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miki123211almost 2 years ago
If you&#x27;re on iOS, I highly recommend Yattee[1], a free Youtube app with no ads, background playback and sponsor block built-in.<p>The way they get around App Store restrictions is by claiming that they aren&#x27;t a Youtube app. They&#x27;re technically a video-watching app which is supposed to be used with your own personal server. The server API they require, however, is supported by Invidious[2], an open-source, privacy-preserving Youtube front end. If you configure an Invidious instance in settings[3] (you don&#x27;t have to host your own, there are plenty of them out there), you effectively get access to the entirety of Youtube.<p>It&#x27;s not a replacement for the official app by any means, it doesn&#x27;t have a recommendation feed, it doesn&#x27;t let you log in with a Google account, so it doesn&#x27;t sync watch history with your other devices, it doesn&#x27;t let you cast to Youtube-enabled devices, post comments, scroll through shorts etc, but if you have a playlist or a specific, longer video in mind, it&#x27;s quite good. It also supports Invidious accounts, which let you manage channel subscriptions.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;id1595136629" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;id1595136629</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invidious.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invidious.io&#x2F;</a> [3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gonzoknows.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gonzoknows.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;</a>
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sircastoralmost 2 years ago
So YouTube is going to make it impossible to watch without ads. Reddit&#x27;s communities are going dark because Reddit (essentially) wants more ad revenue. Facebook and Instagram have been plastered with ads for longer than they haven&#x27;t.<p>And we&#x27;re just a short hop from ads being &quot;Attention required&quot; with eyeballs tracked. I wonder if there&#x27;s a possibility that this will shake Youtube from it&#x27;s dominance.
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Verdexalmost 2 years ago
I don&#x27;t really understand either side of the equation here.<p>So, on the one hand you have people who use ad blockers. The first retort that comes to mind here is: Well, we&#x27;ll take our business elsewhere. Which is odd because without ads they aren&#x27;t paying and them leaving is the goal.<p>Of course on the other hand ... when I read the title my thoughts weren&#x27;t that I would be okay because I don&#x27;t ad block youtube. My thought wasn&#x27;t that I should buy youtube premium to avoid ads. My thought WAS that if I ever get falsely flagged, then I&#x27;ll just buy a nebula subscription (or whatever) and never use youtube again.<p>In fact I went over to nebula to check it out.<p>Somebody has to pay something for youtube to be viable. But youtube got big via offering a free service and now if feels like they&#x27;re trying to pull up the ladder behind themselves.
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user3939382almost 2 years ago
If Google had the power to implement a device that forced your eyelids open to look at ads they would do it. Their company is user hostile and we should move as far as possible away from their services.
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acomjeanalmost 2 years ago
I mean they want you to subscribe to YouTube premium. At least they’re being honest about this and give you the option. I have a few issues with google but this isn’t one (After being forced to spend many hours upgrading to google analytics rev 4….)<p>It’s expensive, but I’ve done it, but it also includes YouTube music which I like.
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nfriedlyalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve had an adblocker in my browser for ages, but I wasn&#x27;t a big youtube user because it just didn&#x27;t have sufficient information density for me, even before google put ads in the platform. (Google only stuck ads in YT after they ran all of their competitors out of business!)<p>Finding Vanced (and now ReVanced) with adblocking, SponsorBlock, and the ability to set the speed higher than 2x made it so that I actually use YouTube more regularly. (Despite the name, SponsorBlock can skip over a lot more than just sponsor segments - intros, outros, recaps, jokes, etc.)<p>Any time I see YouTube on someone else&#x27;s device I&#x27;m shocked by how awful it&#x27;s become in it&#x27;s default state. If I can&#x27;t watch YouTube without adblock&#x2F;sponsorblock&#x2F;etc, I&#x27;ll probably just go back to not watching YouTube.<p>The one point where YT has improved over the years is the comment section. Aside from the occasional scammer impersonating the creator and trying to get me to send them money off-platform, the comments don&#x27;t seem nearly as awful as I remember from 5-10 years ago.<p>Also, as an aside, I pay for Nebula, and out-of-the-box, Nebula is a far superior experience to YouTube. But, I still think ReVanced has a leg up on Nebula thanks to skipping intros and the like. However, the biggest problem with Nebula is that it just doesn&#x27;t have as much content that I&#x27;m interested in as YT does. It does seem to be improving, though.
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stevenicralmost 2 years ago
The primary reason I use an adblocker is to prevent malware &#x2F; viruses.<p>I would be more accepting of ads in general if:<p>1 - they were all served from the primary websites server - eg yahoo blaming third party ad servers for injecting virus scripts and taking no responsibility is not okay with me.<p>2 - I had easy choices to block ads for things like gambling and alcohol at the ip level, not just browser level.<p>3 - no flashing animated ads on static text pages. I am amazed at some pages I see trying to read 6 sentences and instead I get three at a time with 3 moving ads taking up most of the space.<p>Obviously it&#x27;d be fine to have moving ads during a &#x27;commercial break&#x27; in a video.. but overlay a banner over it or next to it and having it moving is just wrong imho.<p>I didn&#x27;t use youtube much at all for a long time, but have recently trained the thing to give me interesting videos about CSS, new tools like framer io, clickup, AI, &#x27;productizing&#x27; and other helpful content is now available to me easier now..<p>So if I could not block ads on youtube now, I would have to pay the $12 for premium if that&#x27;s what it costs.. I would suggest having a checkbox to add in a $5 bucket for tips to content creators and give a way to tip multiple of 10 cents or something - as I would like to support some of the folks adding value to the platform, and I&#x27;m guessing going 12 premium wouldn&#x27;t help them much if at all.<p>A few days ago I brought up some lists of &#x27;YT watch history&#x27; - it&#x27;s a decent amount for me the past few months - if 2 minutes of time was added to each one, and I had an employer, that company would be burning a fair amount of money for me to wait for ads each week at this point.<p>I also worry that ads at beginning of videos can be unfair when it seems a good percentage of videos I click then skip into a bit and find that they are not what I was expecting &#x2F; hoping for and the click itself, 3 second buffering, and 2 second seek - were a huge waste of time, I can&#x27;t imagine getting hit with added ads in those equations.
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Roark66almost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ll sooner stop using youtube than watch it with the ads. I&#x27;ve been watching it exclusively via smartyoutubetv app (an open source android TV app). Every couple of months youtube does something to break the app. Every single time the app it fixed within a couple of hours.<p>It&#x27;s not even about just the ads. I use it because it let&#x27;s me remove all the crap I don&#x27;t want force fed to me while all I want it watch my subscribed channels (shorts, news etc). Smartyoutubetv let&#x27;s me disable all of it. &quot;<p>Also, it is technically impossible to ensure users watch these ads. The more elaborate detection they use, the more elaborate emulation of these ads being watched will be made.<p>Additionally, I used to have mixed feelings about using an ad blocker so I&#x27;d give the normal youtube client a chance now and then. Interestingly on the very first video watched I&#x27;d get pretty reasonable ads (maybe 2x5s of unskippable ad, the rest can be skipped in a 10min video), or one 30s unskippable ad in an hour long video. But continue watching and the number of ads (by ~5th video) will continue raising to obscene amounts. So no, I have no bad feelings for using the ad blocker.
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Moldoteckalmost 2 years ago
Strange move, people use adblockers for a reason, 2-3 unskipable bs ads. Instead better limit quality to 480&#x2F;720p. This way they&#x27;ll save money for traffic. No adblocker?, Can go up to 1080p. Yt premium?, Welkome to 4k. Yt premium+?, Welcome to &gt;8k
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RandomBKalmost 2 years ago
I feel this was the inevitable outcome of the increased availability&#x2F;popularity&#x2F;awareness of ad blockers - a tragedy of the commons scenario that&#x27;s set us on an escalating feedback loop that won&#x27;t end well for anyone involved.<p>EDIT: I do wonder if the price point of youtube premium is too high to capture an audience that simply doesn&#x27;t want ads but doesn&#x27;t care about any other features. $6&#x2F;mo feels higher than the typical per-user ad revenue.<p>EDIT2: While I don&#x27;t know youtube&#x27;s average revenue per user, both Facebook and Google&#x27;s ARPU for the NA segment is ~$100-$200&#x2F;y, which would put $6&#x2F;mo quite close to the replacement cost of lost ads revenue.
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squarefootalmost 2 years ago
Most ads are a pile of garbage crafted in a way to brainwash people into thinking they need something that they actually don&#x27;t. And the more sophisticated they are, the more costly they become and need to be pushed again and again down the users throats to remain profitable. My point is that unless there is some sort of pro-users regulation against advertising, ads use will be abused just like anything that is not regulated is abused by the strongest animals in the pack at the expense of the weakest. Those of us who remember how was surfing the web in its infancy recall the text ads, the small banners, then side frames, then animated ones, then popups, then interstitials, then videos with one ad at the beginning, then more ads scattered during play time, etc. Advertising has been growing since day one, and will continue to grow; no matter what the users accept today, it won&#x27;t be enough tomorrow, and more and more annoyances will come. This must be stopped, either by regulation or by the use of ad blocking. I think we&#x27;ll see some development in AI regarding this field. If i had the skills, I&#x27;d explore the possibility of a headless browser that unbeknownst to Google uses local AI to fully play ad filled videos, then remove all crap and pass them to the user browser.
Animatsalmost 2 years ago
&quot; YouTube users will have only two options: to disable their ad blocker and allow ads or subscribe to YouTube Premium to get rid of all advertisements.&quot;<p>Or Vimeo, or Facebook, or TikTok, or ...
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dahwolfalmost 2 years ago
Since about a year ago, we entered the era of consolidation. The margin call of tech. A decade of outsized unprofitable interest-free investments sure is fun, but there comes a time to pay it back. That time is now.<p>Companies that are not profitable should very soon be profitable. Companies that are profitable yet are stagnating need to show their next growth. And that&#x27;s why you have this intensity in amping up monetization across several companies.<p>You can be absolutely sure that tech leaders are keenly watching the effects of bold moves at Twitter, Reddit, the like. Companies testing the waters to see how far they can go.<p>We had it coming and probably shouldn&#x27;t complain that much. As the dutch saying goes: when shaven, sit still. Your expectations are based on party mode, but the party stopped.
atonsealmost 2 years ago
Please do it, YouTube. I need something to break my YouTube addiction and this’ll do it. I’ll just buy a no-ads kindle and read like an old man.
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honeybadger1almost 2 years ago
I already have backed off of youtube so much because of how awful they have made the experience, this will be it for me entirely if they implement this.
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michelbalmost 2 years ago
A few day ago I disabled my ad blocking to test something and then browsed some of my daily sites. If ad blocking ever becomes impossible, I&#x27;ll quit using the web immediately.
suddenclarityalmost 2 years ago
I get that people hate companies but $7 a month for unlimited video on any device with 500 hours uploaded every minute. That&#x27;s a decent deal. The only drawback is that you don&#x27;t get Sponsorblock on smart devices. People seem to overestimate how much the average person care about online outrage. Netflix, Reddit, Twitter.. They all seem fine despite being declared dead numerous times.
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Krisjohnalmost 2 years ago
Two things spring to mind: My experience with a YouTube premium trial ended immediately upon being told that I couldn&#x27;t play music in a second place at the same time. And ad-blocking is part of my security posture.<p>I have plenty of local storage. Moving forward, maybe good videos won&#x27;t just go into a playlist with the assumption that YouTube will continue to be available.
goda90almost 2 years ago
YouTube needs a history-less mode. I want to watch random videos without them impacting my recommendations. I have Premium, but I&#x27;ll use ad blocker in a private browsing session specifically for this.
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techwizrdalmost 2 years ago
I have YouTube Red so I&#x27;m not affected, but I really hate how it&#x27;s implemented for Google accounts with your own domain. Bringing your own domain and paying Google for the privilege makes you a second-class citizen with Google services. I oppose this because paying Google is not enough, and often makes for a worse customer experience.
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FrostKiwialmost 2 years ago
Anyone know, if there is an adblocker with a &quot;hide&quot; mode instead of a &quot;block&quot; mode? I mean, instead of blocking the connection fetch the ad, but hide it visually? I would be fine with a YouTube ad blocker, that allows ads to play, but just mutes and `display:none`&#x27;s the video player element.
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INTPenisalmost 2 years ago
I hate ads so much that I&#x27;m actually paying for Youtube premium. I work in IT, I build systems, I know there are various solutions, but none of them guarantee that I can travel freely with my cellphone and connect it to any smart TV and get an AD-free experience.<p>So I&#x27;ll gladly pay for that freedom.<p>Freedom is very important to me, not just that it&#x27;s open source, or that I have power over ads, but also freedom of time and leisure. Ads take away freedom from me, it&#x27;s a powerless feeling when an ad comes on. Real 1stworldproblem here but since we&#x27;re on the topic...
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mynameisashalmost 2 years ago
There&#x27;s a 402 PAYMENT REQUIRED[0], but apparently it&#x27;s been reserved for future use forever. I&#x27;m surprised there isn&#x27;t a scheme by which websites can charge micropayments for content. In principle, I&#x27;m not opposed to loading up an account with $20 and paying $0.10 for an Economist article or $0.02 for a YouTube video or whatever.<p>I honestly don&#x27;t know if this exists now or has ever existed, but I would love to directly support content creators without the total garbage game theory equilibrium we seem to have settled into of every expert hocking their nutritional supplements.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_HTTP_status_codes#4xx_client_errors" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_HTTP_status_codes#4xx_...</a>
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RamblingCTOalmost 2 years ago
You know, if YouTube wouldn&#x27;t insist on absolutely annoying the living shit out of me with unskippable, bad, long, and frequent ads I wouldn&#x27;t mind that much. But YouTube with ads is one of the worst things there are.
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guy98238710almost 2 years ago
Bloody fools. They don&#x27;t know what beast they are waking up. Certain portion of ad blocker users are zealots. These people are insane and quite a few of them are quite resourceful. Just a few problems that are going to hit YT:<p>- torrents and other piracy<p>- rapidly evolving ad-blockers<p>- undetectable ad-blockers sitting in a new page layer invisible to page scripts<p>- visual ML ad-blockers detecting ads no matter how they are loaded<p>- new ad-free P2P video sharing websites<p>- influential users discouraging everyone from using YT<p>- popular content creators moving off YT and advertising other hosting options
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ProtoAES256almost 2 years ago
I can&#x27;t recommend enough of the spiritual successor to Vanced since the article briefly mentioned that. It&#x27;s called Revanced. It requires more hoops than usual but I&#x27;m sure the intelligent folks here won&#x27;t have a problem with that. It&#x27;s on Github. Other results are probably fake.
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KMagalmost 2 years ago
So... this is pretty evil... but I thought of it a while ago and I&#x27;m not that bright, so I&#x27;m sure plenty of others have also thought of it.<p>How long until Google &#x2F; Meta &#x2F; whomever just starts having faster response times and higher resolution content for people who have clicked on an add in the past N minutes?<p>People who don&#x27;t click on ads either (1) self-select away from the platform (or at least reduce their time on the platform), (2) begin to engage in quasi click-fraud, or else (3) consume fewer of the service&#x27;s resources.<p>It seems like a pretty simple way to improve the ratio of consumed resources to ad revenue.
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EA-3167almost 2 years ago
Is there some business school teaching people that the sure way to profit is through an arms race against your own customers?
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karaterobotalmost 2 years ago
They&#x27;re completely within their rights to try to enforce their policies. On the other hand there&#x27;s an approximately 0% chance I&#x27;ll go back to watching Youtube with ads. People seem to like Youtube Max or whatever they call their subscription fee. On the other hand it&#x27;s hard to get me to pay for something I already had by taking it away and making me pay to get it back. I bet I&#x27;ll end up paying them someday, but I think I&#x27;ll try just not going to Youtube anymore first and see if that sticks.
o_malmost 2 years ago
I don&#x27;t have a Youtube&#x2F;Google account and I don&#x27;t use any of their apps, so how are they going to block me, go for my IP address? I don&#x27;t see a reason to have an account, RSS works just fine for subscriptions.
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numbolalmost 2 years ago
Personally, one solution is to subsrcibe for Nebula + CurisoityStream bundle to support creators (bought 2 subscriptions for me and friend) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;curiositystream.com&#x2F;?coupon=nebula" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;curiositystream.com&#x2F;?coupon=nebula</a> and use something like PeerTube for the rest of the stuff.<p>Youtube have great catalogue of the lectures and other educational material, so it is still kinda irreplaceable
hutzlibualmost 2 years ago
If this really comes, I think it would be not too hard to modify the ad blockers, that ads are being &quot;served&quot; but into the void (muted, invisible container). In a way, that makes it hard or impossible for ad blocker dedection. Blocking youtube ad videos will be more hard to block without detection.<p>Not an optimal solution, as it still uses more data, but nothing is, if we cannot solve the base problem that we have an ad financed internet.
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0xfedbeealmost 2 years ago
&gt; Child is dying from choking.<p>YouTube search: how to stop a baby from choking<p>&gt; Two 30 second ads about how important vitamins are for me to get pregnant<p>Meanwhile baby is dead.<p>Install adblocker so I can save my next eligible heir quickly.<p>&gt; Next baby is choking.<p>Quickly open YouTube.<p>YouTube: you are blocked.<p>Now I have two dead babies but thank god I know how to get pregnant again because of those Vitamins.
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TheBozzCLalmost 2 years ago
I wonder if we&#x27;re gonna see an ad-blocker-blocker-blocker kinda race going on here. As long as the code runs in the users&#x27; browser, there should be a way around it.<p>Makes me wonder if they&#x27;ll ever move to WASM... though I assume there&#x27;s gonna be ways to block ads regardless.
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Khainealmost 2 years ago
Youtube ads are bad in several ways: 1) they have these ads that pop-over and hide the content 2) there ad breaks are cut into content at in-opportune moments. At least on TV, the content is designed around the ad breaks 3) I have recently seen ads for gambling powered by cryptocurrencies, how can Google allow these ads baffles me<p>Collectively, these things make the ads on YouTube infuriating. It&#x27;s then made worse by the ramp up in the volume of ads. Either work with content creators on when ads are displayed to make the content and ad experience better (a la tv) or come up with a different method. And for the love go god, git rid of those stupid ads that pop over the content.
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downrightmikealmost 2 years ago
My Browser My Rights. I don&#x27;t allow ads because no matter how good you are, someone will figure out how to get malware into ads. Once a system is compromised, best to burn it and start over. And now there are UEFI viruses that can reinstall malware even after the OS is wiped. And then there is the recent Gigabyte Motherboard discovery they were loading EXEs silently without approval. So no, I will not lower my protection.
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exabrialalmost 2 years ago
Do it! We&#x27;ll finally have reason to buy the Nebula subscription and we can get out of the monopoly market.
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galkkalmost 2 years ago
YouTube premium family is best value for money for all streaming services. Just don’t waste time on adblocking, as it works reliably only on desktop.<p>I used ublock and it was more or less cuccessfully fighting ads on desktop, but they still were present on phone (new pipe just sucks, and I moved to iPhone anyways), iPad, Xbox and tv.<p>Premium removed all of them. Also gave downloads for offline viewing.<p>I still use sponsorblock on desktop though. And miss it a lot everywhere else.<p>Mandatory disclaimer. I’m Google employee but do not work for YouTube and I’m paying for premium with my own money.
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pcurvealmost 2 years ago
More ads, more blockers.<p>Use of blocker has been on the rise because YT has been failing in modulating amount of ads vs annoyance.<p>Rooster coming home to roost. And not for users, but for YT. They should tread carefully.
rldjbpinalmost 2 years ago
interesting discourse around this and ads in general, from people on both sides of the equation. a lot of creator sided things are bunch of bs from what i&#x27;ve experienced myself.<p>while the public perception with popular channel is that they&#x27;re making bank (in general), many professional channels are using in-video ads to make the most money. so it is very naive to use that card. not to forget that probably 90+ percent videos don&#x27;t belong to people receiving the ad revenue through the program.<p>there was a point about people taking &quot;free&quot; content on the internet for granted. in the current web ecosystem where tracking has carried the platforms for so long, it is not like paying for youtube will get rid of all that. pretty funny how they want it both ways with monetization.<p>on mobile, youtube has already been twitch-level obnoxious with countering adblock efforts, with large banner ads right below the video and sometimes 20 seconds unskippable ads for a short 40 seconds video.<p>in terms of running costs, etc, they&#x27;ve already been reducing video quality despite having a fast connection. the culmulation of the above points pushes me away from paying them a single penny out of principle.
jraphalmost 2 years ago
I wonder what effect it will have on Invidious. By the way, this seems to coincide with their attempts to kill it [1].<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateEnd=1688025600&amp;dateRange=custom&amp;dateStart=1685606400&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;query=invidious&amp;sort=byPopularity&amp;type=story" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateEnd=1688025600&amp;dateRange=custom&amp;...</a>
eimrinealmost 2 years ago
I love this idea because finally there is some force which can make me less watching youtube and I certainly am not going to deepen my profile with a bank credentials (but I would pay for premium with crypto if it will be possible)
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Cyderalmost 2 years ago
the real issue, is that when enough people consume a service, it becomes a &#x27;utility&#x27;, and you are penalized if you don&#x27;t use it. As such, if a percentage of the population uses something, it should be regulated as a &#x27;utility&#x27;. Copyright laws should reflect this also.<p>Most jobs I&#x27;ve seen (even outside of tech ) require familiarity with Windows and Office, ie. basic skills linked to one platform.<p>Google is used enough and thus influential enough, it should be classified a public utility and forced to comply with strict utility laws ( which requires government approval to modify prices ).<p>IANAL, but I&#x27;m sure there are layers that could contrive the social penalties of not using Google service.<p>People make this logical leap in their brains without recognizing it when they use a service for years and rely on it for their daily information, then turn on the high paid exec&#x27;s who are trying to squeeze a dollar from every user. Red Hat, Reddit, Google, Microsoft, Comcast, all need reigning in because of their necessarily high required utility in civilization.
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firefoxkekwalmost 2 years ago
For me, being able to block&#x2F;remove all the videos in the main page, shorts, the other people also..., the video recommendations and all the crap that Youtube have these days is so important.<p>I would pay a lot for a service that gives me the most useful answers instead of what is most likely to make me watch for longer, I know that is their business model to maximize view time to sell more adds but I wish they would sell me a subscription that allows me to customize the UI to show only a search bar, show only educational content when I use the search function and when I&#x27;m watching a video don&#x27;t show me any recommendation or try to pull any tricks on me to spent more time in the platform, nothing more, I would gladly pay 50$ a month for this type of service on Youtube, until then uBlock origin to the rescue, my attention span and productivity is worth more than all the crap the Youtube team tries to pull.
HissingMachinealmost 2 years ago
So does this mean YT will stop demonetizing creators I watch?
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tchbnlalmost 2 years ago
Can&#x27;t blame Google for finally getting to the point of doing this. There&#x27;s probably a lot of extra money left on the table because of ad blockers.<p>YouTube isn&#x27;t a public service. You can either pay the $12&#x2F;mo for Premium for no ads and other perks or watch ads to subsidize the site.
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tap-snap-or-napalmost 2 years ago
I am glad to see that more people are against advertising than you may believe there would be through social media experience.
RalfWausEalmost 2 years ago
Hah, first twitter, then reddit and now youtube... let big tech kill itself!
vintermannalmost 2 years ago
I quit twitch over their attempts at adblock-blocking, and I will for YouTube too if it becomes a thing.
peraalmost 2 years ago
This is very bad: If you have ADHD ad-blockers are essential to use platforms like YouTube as they let you block comment sections and suggested content, which are highly distracting.
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k4rlialmost 2 years ago
And 1080p quality is somehow a &quot;premium&quot; feature now. Could YouTube be the next platform to ditch after reddit died? At least the official clients, NewPipe is quite nice.
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aorthalmost 2 years ago
I had a YouTube Premium family plan (US) for awhile because I don&#x27;t want my family to see ads. The problem is that I need to use a VPN all the time for it to work because I live outside the US. That gets cumbersome... so I cancelled it and use ad blockers and a rooted LG TV for now.<p>In the modern world there are so many people that are citizens some place, but work or revel often in other places. These kind of restrictions are a nuisance.
NoZebra120vClipalmost 2 years ago
This is a rather disturbing move to me, as I am a YouTube addict and adblocker user. I use NextDNS, a DNS-based service that&#x27;s like your own PiHole in the cloud.<p>It is sometimes tricky for me to disable adblocking! There are a couple of approaches. Resetting my DNS servers to defaults is disruptive and error-prone; it&#x27;s a non-starter. I find it peculiar that there is no knob on NextDNS that says &quot;disable blocking features and act like normal DNS&quot; even though they themselves enable such a feature if you run out of free monthly queries. You can disable a bunch of features one-by-one, but of course that affects all sites, not just the one. You can whitelist any domain you want, but that involves a cycle of testing and guessing which ones are emanating from the site you want to use.<p>In short, there&#x27;s no straightforward way of just telling NextDNS &quot;don&#x27;t block ads while I&#x27;m on YouTube.com&quot; and it&#x27;s for that reason that I sort of miss uBlock Origin. However, YouTube does use native domains for all its ad serving, and I see them all now anyway, so I don&#x27;t believe that this new policy will adversely affect my usage profile.
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rumorialmost 2 years ago
I’ve subscribed to Youtube when I found no way to block state propaganda in my country. Instagram lets me hide ads I don’t like, while there’s no way to get rid of them on Youtube. Maybe I’m the proof that the strategy works but now I despise Youtube and Google with a passion while being surprisingly sympathetic with Instagram and happily accepting ads there. Both of them serve completely irrelevant ads for me though.
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walrus01almost 2 years ago
The next step in the adblocker-blocker wars will be something like the Firefox ublock origin plugin that instead of blocking the ad, accepts it and plays it (looking to the httpd on the other end like the data transfer has occurred and it&#x27;s being displayed in the browser), but at the end user GUI end, sends the ad to the graphical equivalent of &#x2F;dev&#x2F;null so the adblocker-plugin-user never sees it.
onetokeoverthealmost 2 years ago
Alphabet self immolation in progress. Piss off 80% for a 4% bump in premium.
Lolaccountalmost 2 years ago
When Youtube stop serving me un-reportable &quot;Meet young women from Ukraine&quot; unsexy-supposedly-&quot;alluring&quot;-AI-uncanny-valley picture adverts ...<p>Or the current rubbish &quot;Shop like a billionaire ... buy Nike trainers for 55 cents&quot; crap-verts ...<p>When Youtube stop serving me the above bullshit, perhaps I&#x27;ll take their advertising efforts more seriously ...
sledgehammersalmost 2 years ago
_Everything_ is getting more shit day after day.<p>Internet is burning. The sources of information are getting scarce, it&#x27;s almost unbelivable.
kgwxdalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;m a family premium member. After the recent price hike, it&#x27;s the most expensive streaming plan I have, by a long shot. uBO does so much more than block ads and I have a no-exceptions policy on whitelisting, even when I&#x27;m paying for the service. I&#x27;m curious if they&#x27;ll still try to stop me.
throwing_awayalmost 2 years ago
If they break uBO and yt-dlp, it might actually kill the platform.
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userbinatoralmost 2 years ago
I like how this article is currently right next to the &quot;drink verification can&quot; one. IMHO an adblocker is morally equivalent to changing the channel, muting, or leaving the room while an ad is playing on the <i>actual</i> &quot;tube&quot;, and forcing me to consume content should be illegal.
patrecalmost 2 years ago
Excellent news. One big reason why the deleterious adware economy has no viable competitor is that somewhat sophisticated users can partially opt out of it and get subsidized by the less savvy. By forcing people to pay for youtube premium (which, in fairness to Google is very reasonably priced) or look elsewhere, non-surreptitiously-paid-for consumer services become much more viable.<p>Unfortunately, the other reason non-surreptitiously-paid-for services are currently not viable is that most people, including the vast majority of HN seem to be, uhm, not very sophisticated about reasoning about costs (to most people the k-gadzillions that google makes apparently materialize out of thin air, instead of really coming out of large_overhead_factor*k gadzillions they personally proportionally pay for). This seems hard to overcome.<p>reply
etchalonalmost 2 years ago
At some point, the only option left will be to bake the ads into the video, so they can neither be skipped nor blocked.<p>I assume the only reason this isn&#x27;t done is dynamic insertion, but at some point the CPU horsepower necessary to do that on-demand will be available.
Panoramixalmost 2 years ago
The greedy bastards won&#x27;t even pay taxes. If there was a good alternative I would switch in a heartbeat. I am happy to pay content creators, but paying $12 or $18 per month just so they disable some anti-patterns <i>really</i> rubs me the wrong way.
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LeoPantheraalmost 2 years ago
They&#x27;re going to break yt-dlp aren&#x27;t they.
seydoralmost 2 years ago
the best type of ads is the sponsorships that youtubers already do. Why doesnt youtube take advantage of them and create a platform for them? the ads they run are disruptive, annoying as F , loud, they last unpredictably long etc etc.
lizknopealmost 2 years ago
Part of the reason youtube ads are so annoying is that many of them are played at random times while you are watching a video. There is no smooth transition to the ad. When watching news or sports on television the announcers will say &quot;And now we&#x27;re going to a commercial break&quot; and they play some outro music. Then they play some music to welcome you back.<p>When watching a sitcom or drama the script writers plan in the commercial breaks where you would have the different acts in a play. They are natural stopping points to take a short break.<p>Youtube ads are just random interruptions.
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Jean-PaulSartrealmost 2 years ago
I analyzed all 1200 comments and asked the following:<p>Which comment found or suggested, the best way to circumvent,avoid or get around youtube approach without paying subscription?<p>A: None.<p>I suggest we start doing, cause they&#x27;re ahead of us..... before is too late.
noisy_boyalmost 2 years ago
This is great. Now when I really need to watch something important, I&#x27;ll deal with the ads and for the rest of the junk, it&#x27;ll piss me off sufficiently to stop watching it. Fantastic news - thanks Google!
svantanaalmost 2 years ago
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Spotify announced that it would start to crack down on adblockers in 2019 [1], but I&#x27;ve been using ublock origin on their web player since then and haven&#x27;t noticed any issues (apart from the odd glitch when the blocker is trying to skip the ad). Did they get cold feet or was it mostly a PR move?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;spotify-may-suspend-your-account-if-it-catches-you-usin-1832446203" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;spotify-may-suspend-your-account-if-it-c...</a>
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blibblealmost 2 years ago
so if you&#x27;re not logged in: clear cookies and resume?<p>that&#x27;ll take what, 5 minutes to be added to the ad blocker extension
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phneutral26almost 2 years ago
&gt;&gt; Before the reliance on ad blockers, people turned to YouTube Vanced to enjoy a Premium-like experience for free. However, the service was shuttered in March last year due to legal pressure from Google. With ad blockers now seemingly on the way out, it looks like free users may only be left with the option of sitting through ads<p>That is simply not true. There are numerous alternatives to YouTube Vanced, including NewPipe, LibreTube or SkyTube. Only to name a couple. And then there still is invidious. So no, you don&#x27;t have to sit through ads.
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m3047almost 2 years ago
I don&#x27;t block ads, I block technology, for largely political reasons. I have the technical skills to do so, which almost certainly puts me in a minority. But all the whining from ad-supported corps is just whining, and if that doesn&#x27;t work an attempt at extortion.<p>If the copy said &quot;Looks like you&#x27;re blocking trackers and content from properties we don&#x27;t own&quot; instead of &quot;Looks like you may be using an ad blocker&quot; it would be more truthful. Maybe somebody should go after them for deceptive advertising.
WirelessGigabitalmost 2 years ago
Honestly, seeing an old spice ad isn&#x27;t going to make me buy old spice.<p>And seeing a 1 hour ad for some guy telling me to stop eating what I&#x27;m eating to have no-wipe bowel movements isn&#x27;t going to make me buy the stuff.<p>There have been studies done about plumbers. The ones that pay money to get on top in the White Pages have worse reviews than the ones that work by word of mouth. I go by the same thing. If you feel that your product needs an ad, it&#x27;s probably overpriced and &#x2F; or doesn&#x27;t do what it says it does.
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4sellffalmost 2 years ago
The solution to Ads is to create an alternative. We call this an Offer and it differs in the following ways:<p>User Choice Ads: no (platform decides) Offers: yes (user decides = opt-in)<p>Privacy Ads: no privacy (your data belongs to them) Offers: total privacy (no info collected)<p>Rewards Ads: no reward (platform keeps all value) Offers: cash rewards (paid by seller)<p>Participants Ads: seller -&gt; ad platform -&gt; buyer Offers: seller &lt; - &gt; buyer<p>Disclosure: founder of sellff.com. We created Offers to facilitate a more effective and honest way for buyers to connect with sellers.
behnamohalmost 2 years ago
That&#x27;s what happens in monopolies. Until we find a way to move most useful YT content to another platform (e.g., Vimeo), we&#x27;ll have to deal with YT&#x27;s greedy policies.
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throwuwualmost 2 years ago
Now that I’m experimenting with blocking YouTube altogether for longer and longer periods of time, I find that I don’t need it at all anymore. I used to heavily rely on it for tutorials but ChatGPT has replaced that; why watch a 30 minute explanation of something that winds up being tangentially related to what you’re doing when you can just talk directly to the documentation and ask follow up questions? Other than that use, everything else on YouTube was just a distraction.
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InCityDreamsalmost 2 years ago
I tried no adblocker on youtube. I made the mistake of putting Steve Hillage: Rainbow Dome Music on.<p>So fuck you Barilla pasta for shitting your disgraceful ad right in the middle.<p>C&#x27;è casa? C&#x27;è merda.<p>How the hell people do yoga and other calming things with youtube with ads is way beyond what i can understand.<p>At least, i tried, although i got burned. Never going back - and if yt manages to defeat me, fuck them too. I&#x27;m not against ads per se, but please...try and be tasteful!
ocfnashalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve been using fixyt.com to avoid YouTube grossness for years. Thanks to the bookmarklet below, whenever I land at youtube.com I&#x27;m only ever a click away from escaping their awful, awful app.<p>javascript:(function() {window.location=window.location.toString().replace(&#x2F;^https:\&#x2F;\&#x2F;www.youtube\.&#x2F;,&#x27;<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fixyt.&#x27;);" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fixyt.&#x27;);</a>})()
westurneralmost 2 years ago
Students don&#x27;t even have the option of paying for premium using their school account, and so if you assign them videos to watch (using that account) they must watch ads; is that correct?<p>I think YouTube should just drop the creators who demanded the greater subscription revenue that must&#x27;ve precipitated this change; go sell your own content.<p>FWIW, ad-free Khan Academy videos are subsidized by Alphabet&#x2F;Google&#x2F;YouTube.
mensetmanusmanalmost 2 years ago
I blocked ads after trying to show my kids tiny cakes during election season, and every cake episode was talking about politicians who rape everyone.
franczeskoalmost 2 years ago
The experience on the platform became so hostile to users, while content is turning into a cable tv, I wouldn&#x27;t miss it, if I would be blocked.<p>It&#x27;s not blocking an ad or two, but a full spam marathon, sometimes longer than a movie itself. Of course, it&#x27;s not possible to see which movies are worth to watch, as dislikes are not visible, so more video opens, more disappointment, but also... more ads.
ytthrowawayalmost 2 years ago
you can use vpn to sign up to youtube premium from india or some other cheap location without strict address requirements and pay two bucks a month
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DeathArrowalmost 2 years ago
I would pay, but most of YT is junk, filled with clickbaits and commercials. So, it&#x27;s not worth it for the rare truly interesting thing I can find there.<p>If I can&#x27;t watch it with ublock, I will search for some alternative measures that will still allow me to watch without seeing ads. If no such measures will exist, then I&#x27;ll quit watching youtube. Maybe I&#x27;ll go for Vimeo or DailyMotion.
charcircuitalmost 2 years ago
Personally I would like it if a certain amount of membership &#x2F; superchats would give you the ability to block ads or unlock YouTube premium.
dogleashalmost 2 years ago
I pay for twitch turbo, I even had youtube tv during football season. So I&#x27;m not that cost sensitive, and don&#x27;t oppose giving youtube money for a service.<p>But logging in on every browser and device I watch youtube on? Fuck, I&#x27;d rather not. Also, I <i>never</i> login to my personal google account at work.<p>Before google bought youtube, my account there was called something like &quot;duntwantacct&quot;.
zarathustrealalmost 2 years ago
If you can&#x27;t afford to host the services, don&#x27;t host the services. If users can&#x27;t afford to provide you with free content, users shouldn&#x27;t provide you with free content.<p>It is immoral to fund an ostensibly free service that you cannot afford to host for free by forcing users to do something they don&#x27;t want to do.<p>Granted, Google abandoned &quot;don&#x27;t be evil&quot; a long time ago
Meradalmost 2 years ago
They&#x27;ve become increasingly hostile about ads in general. I sometimes watch youtube on my TV via Roku, which sadly doesn&#x27;t have ad blockers, and there&#x27;s been a noticeable rise in long ads that can&#x27;t be skipped. It&#x27;s pretty routine now to get 30s long ads that are unskippable, and just a few days ago I got one that was nearly 90s.
isaacremuantalmost 2 years ago
&gt; Premium [...] looks like free users may only be left with the option of sitting through ads<p>False dichotomy.<p>Free users will continue to either block their ad practices, stop watching in YouTube, download the videos, etc.<p>It&#x27;s my computer&#x2F;devices. I don&#x27;t simply consume because YouTube decides to operate at a loss to gain market Monopoly and targets competitors in anti competitive ways.
alpark3almost 2 years ago
Though I have premium, I actually don&#x27;t mind Youtube ads that much. Compared to regular old banners ads throughout the internet, Youtube ads feel much nicer and interesting to watch. Much more production value, like TV ads(because they literally are).<p>Of course, no ads are better than any ad, but I can&#x27;t ignore the fact that ad-enabled Youtube is free.
stefanos82almost 2 years ago
What a fascinating opportunity is given to us to finally break free from YouTube and computer in general; no more cat videos lol!
teddyhalmost 2 years ago
“Most of you have browsers, and most of those browsers show you advertisements, and I’m very puzzled about why. The advertisements are annoying most of the time, they slow you down, they injure the concentration that you bring to whatever task it is that you’re doing, and there’s no reason why they show you advertisements; my browser doesn’t show <i>me</i> any advertisements. I don’t see any ads when I read The New York Times, or go to wherever it is that you are happy going to, because my browser has Adblock in it, and that pretty much ends the story. Even in this town, many of you, indeed, I would guess, most of you are probably using the Firefox browser. That means you’re two clicks away from not having any advertising on the net anymore. All you need to do is google “Adblock Plus”, and say “I’m feeling lucky”, [Laughter] thank you very much. Now you know why my friends – and they are my friends – at the Mozilla Foundation are paid tens of millions of dollars every year by Google – basically, not to bundle Adblock Plus into the default distribution of Firefox.<p>But you also know why all the talk about advertising supported models on the web is just talk, and why it is that in the end, all of those models are fated not to work. Because in digital media, when you give people knowledge, you can’t force them to take advertising, because digital media are filterable – that’s the beauty of them.”<p>— Eben Moglen, <i>Free and Open Software: Paradigm for a New Intellectual Commons</i>, 2009-03-13, &lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=tbcy_ZxXLl8#t=31m51s">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=tbcy_ZxXLl8#t=31m51s</a>&gt;
dredmorbiusalmost 2 years ago
Not sure if it&#x27;s related, but I&#x27;m noticing that my principle Invidious instance (yewtu.be) has been knocked offline, apparently by its cloud provider, and that my usually-reliable Piped fallback (piped.kavin.rocks) is showing YouTube comments on video links ... but not the video itself).<p>I am able to play audio however using yt-dlp.
gorbachevalmost 2 years ago
Time to stop using my Google account when using YouTube. Too bad for all those subscriptions YouTube channel owners lose.
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i-hate-adsalmost 2 years ago
The best solution when you see an ad is to ctrl-click on it dozens of times. Then do it again with as many proxy&#x2F;VPN&#x2F;tor IPs as you can. It will cost google or the advertiser money or get them banned for clock fraud. Wish I could automate this. Which reminds me I need to install ad-nauseum again.
zeruchalmost 2 years ago
YT can mwah, my ass.<p>Once the ad volume readily affects page load times, or disrupts casting flow (e.g. if my attempt to listen to Brian Eno &amp; Jon Hassell&#x27;s ambient works is intruded on every 10 minutes with an earbleed level ad for Papa John&#x27;s Pizza), I just download the content locally and cast it via Emby.
mrjinalmost 2 years ago
Cool. What if I don&#x27;t use it at all?<p>I hardly use YT but yesterday, I searched something which turned out on YT. So I clicked it then I was served two ads before I can actually play it. And in just around 5 minutes or so, another ad popped out again. Thus I don&#x27;t really see why not try blocking ads.
fingeralmost 2 years ago
Could you, in theory, stream a “video” of a website to the user and handle only the input (mouse, keybord) from the user? The user would then not interact with a website but with a “video” where everything is rendered server side thus making it impossible to block any ads.
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KingOfCodersalmost 2 years ago
I do think this:<p>Youtube has excellent content form people who put a lot of effort into it, but do not have a lot of subscribers, don&#x27;t earn a lot and don&#x27;t produce a lot of traffic.<p>Then there are millions of low effort videos that produce millions of clicks.<p>Youtube should have a model that adapts to this.
capybara_2020almost 2 years ago
I wonder, will Google be liable if someone clicks on a malicious ad and gets infected or worse?
worewoodalmost 2 years ago
Unless they make the ads part of the video itself by re-encoding it on the fly with the ads inserted, there will be a way around this. Instead of blocking the ads, the ad blocker just needs to download the content anyway and run it off-screen.
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kelvinjpsalmost 2 years ago
What I don&#x27;t understand why so many ads ony face? I work as advertiser and competing with that many other ads is bad, if they were showing the user one meaningful ad , busineses would have better conversion rates and user less annoyed
lowlevelalmost 2 years ago
A lot of people think ads before and after videos, or peppered eveyr 3 minutes within an hour long video are no big deal, but many of us have had enough. I pay google around $20 a month to avoid watching ads. I consider this extortion.
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nojaalmost 2 years ago
Last week I clicked a link and got TWO 15 second unskippable ads. I closed my tab after the first one. I don&#x27;t want to watch a video that much.<p>Today I tried to watch a long video and there adverts every five minutes. Closed again.
juujianalmost 2 years ago
Love this, this may actually help me to reduce my consumption of Youtube videos even further. That would be a good thing. All creators I like are also on other paid platforms. Thanks google for helping me migrate.
torhamalmost 2 years ago
The price for premium just doesn&#x27;t make sense. I would buy it if it were $1 or less per month. This seems reasonable to me, how much could they possibly make off of me in a single month with ads?
perceptronasalmost 2 years ago
Hopefully this will result in YT losing their dominant position. (Saying as a person who pays for Premium)<p>After Youtube removed dislikes and started pushing &quot;shorts&quot; – it became noticeably worse.
blastersyndromealmost 2 years ago
I use an ad blocker and I haven&#x27;t gotten any such notifications about this. Are they only deploying it on certain devices and not others?<p>I exclusively watch Youtube through the browser on desktop.
matthewfelgatealmost 2 years ago
YouTube with ADs is virtually unusable in my opinion.<p>It&#x27;s bad enough the spam of shorts I struggle to block. And now I&#x27;m getting alerts for shorts.<p>It&#x27;s long overdue for a decent alternative to YouTube.
Havocalmost 2 years ago
I’ll likely end up pay tbh. Usually more militant about getting aggressively pushed but in this case - I can see how serving vid isn’t cheap and the value is real so fine whatever
NaN1352almost 2 years ago
Again they chose to not tell users about Premium LITE. Why?<p>Wouldnt it convince more people to pay? And Google can try to entice users later to upgrade to the full Premium. Would t that make sense?
RadixDLTalmost 2 years ago
Wow, YouTube really knows how to make friends. Testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers? Good luck with that! I just love how brave browser is blocking all the ads.
mxxxalmost 2 years ago
I purchased a year of YouTube premium while I was on holiday in Turkey and it didn’t cost much. I mostly did it for YouTube music but the no ads thing is pretty great too.
whateveracctalmost 2 years ago
Is yt-dlp affected? Could I preload videos to avoid ads still?
etchalonalmost 2 years ago
YouTube Premium is one the best deals in tech. For 10&#x2F;mo you get a functionally infinite content library that&#x27;s refreshed every day, and you never see an ad.
antonymyalmost 2 years ago
I think I&#x27;m at the point where I value an ad-free internet more than I do youtube content. Certainly not enough to pay $12&#x2F;mo to watch it without ads.
2-718-281-828almost 2 years ago
So far haven&#x27;t noticed any issues on FreeTube.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freetubeapp.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freetubeapp.io&#x2F;</a>
nine_zerosalmost 2 years ago
Large companies have become money sucking dinosaurs. Much like IBM, Oracle, Microsoft of the 90s. Can&#x27;t wait to see some competition eating them.
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dreamcompileralmost 2 years ago
Hey Youtube: I&#x27;ve never logged in to you because I don&#x27;t want you tracking me. I&#x27;ve never subscribed to, voted on, or commented on a video because all those things require logging in. For the handful of creators I like, I support them on Patreon. For the other random crap that I occasionally find useful, I use ad blockers or youtube-dl, and I&#x27;ll continue using them until they stop working. When that day comes, you and I part company.<p>You do what you gotta do, and I&#x27;ll do what I gotta do.<p>Cheers!
MagicMoonlightalmost 2 years ago
Youtube is trash now. I could move on pretty easily. If anything I might be better off watching actual content instead of youtube.
patrickdaveyalmost 2 years ago
Just make YouTube lite available everywhere...
joeythedolphinalmost 2 years ago
Anyone know how to stop sites from saying, &quot;It looks like you&#x27;re using an adblocker... blah blah blah&quot;
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SirMasteralmost 2 years ago
I watch all my youtube through yt-dlp piped into a media player, so there are just no ads to even happen that way.
no_timealmost 2 years ago
This is bad. Unlike netflix, its not even viable to pirate all the content due to the sheer number of videos.
operatingthetanalmost 2 years ago
Are there ways for the adblockers to make another move and be more discrete in a way youtube can&#x27;t see?
nunezalmost 2 years ago
As much as I hate ads, I think this is fair.<p>If you dislike the ads, pay for YouTube Premium. Otherwise, you pay with your time.<p>This might be a privileged take, but I wish the entire Internet was like this.<p>I really hate having to use an ad-blocker for everything, but I also hate that the only way some (many?) companies make money is by shoving as many bandwidth- and resource-stealing ads and tracking scripts into my face as possible.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OFalmost 2 years ago
&gt; “In cases when viewers feel they have been falsely flagged as using an ad blocker, they can share this feedback by clicking on the link in the prompt.”<p>At this point, such a statement almost feels as though it is explicitly stating that the &quot;feedback&quot; will be ignored. It probably won&#x27;t be <i>in aggregate</i> but why should I expect that my individual report will be acted upon?
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zb3almost 2 years ago
I hope they succeed, that would be beneficial for my mental health, productivity and happiness.
davedxalmost 2 years ago
Less YouTube for me then. I’ve already almost entirely stopped visiting Twitter. Good riddance
CivBasealmost 2 years ago
Guess I&#x27;ll just have to start using NewPipe on my desktop if ad blockers stop working.
sylwarealmost 2 years ago
Youtube must restore interoperability for noscript&#x2F;basic (x)html browsers.
folugna37almost 2 years ago
I’m not sure if anyone else feels this way, but the sight of many ads on the internet makes my blood boil like nothing else. I think it’s because some ads treat your intelligence like you’re a brainwashed idiot who will fall for anything. Ads like these are the reason I use adblock.
pfdietzalmost 2 years ago
Youtube is also serving me alt right ads against gender affirming medicine.<p>Not good, Youtube.
bitwizealmost 2 years ago
&quot;Your contract with the network when you get the show is you&#x27;re going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn&#x27;t get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you&#x27;re actually stealing programming.&quot; --Jamie Kellner
dean2432almost 2 years ago
i don&#x27;t mind it because i pay for premium, but what i mind is not being able to turn off shorts. shorts are ruining the platform and i am very tempted to drop my support because of this.
mthcalixtoalmost 2 years ago
They will back off when they realize they are losing viewers.
bborudalmost 2 years ago
I wish I was better at supporting alternatives to youtube.
HomeDeLaPotalmost 2 years ago
Turning off my adblocker helped me kick my YouTube habit.
activiationalmost 2 years ago
I always wondered why they didn&#x27;t do that sooner
omgmajkalmost 2 years ago
Google, again doing Google things.
2Gkashmirialmost 2 years ago
As someone who has no &quot;special love&quot; for YouTube, I feel like the equation for YouTube is different for me that what they have in mind. YouTube chose to host a public mode of displaying videos that someone in a third world country made or Linus Sebastian made. As long as they don&#x27;t put everything behind Netflix style login, I will fight tooth and nail with UBO. I don&#x27;t care about &quot;ethics&quot; of ad blockers. If its public, I will do what I darn want. Want to stop me, well put it behind a paywall.<p>That does two things.<p>I don&#x27;t use Netflix so any content there is of 0 interest to me.<p>You don&#x27;t get to stay public and expect ad dollars. It doesn&#x27;t work like that on the internet.<p>Same for NYT. I don&#x27;t pay for it and have no use for content there. If if were an ad supported one, then I could use an ad blocker.<p>Think of it this way. If you screen your movie in a cinema hall, I will watch it if I pay for a ticket. Fair and square. If it is played on a public roadshow, I will skip all ads or skip it altogether.<p>The org has to decide. Either make content pay per use or free. No middle ground.
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amosliberalalmost 2 years ago
one of the many reasons why i would never work for google
swayvilalmost 2 years ago
Capitalism is an infinite resource sink. Your competitors will always try to outspend you. Your exploiters will always try to exploit you more.<p>It&#x27;s like living next door to a black hole. It&#x27;s a bad neighbor.
CatWChainsawalmost 2 years ago
I like to keep things simple: Anyone who defends advertising in the age of psychology-hacking is either a sociopath on top, or a wannabe. Don&#x27;t negotiate with terrorists, etc etc.
hackernewdsalmost 2 years ago
someone seems to have weaponized the TLDR feature on the Hews app for this post with a malicious tinyurl.com&#x2F;.. link
mcpackiehalmost 2 years ago
I block ads because they&#x27;re psychological warfare that corporations wage against me. I don&#x27;t care how unobtrusive the ads are. I don&#x27;t care if the ads don&#x27;t track me. I grew up changing the channel on TV when ads came on, and ripping adverts out of magazines before sitting down to read them. I vote for billboard bans whenever I can. I have zero tolerance for ads of any sort.<p>Advertisers have no morals, they&#x27;re completely depraved. They&#x27;ll eagerly exploit a teenager&#x27;s self-conscious body issues to sell useless beauty products. They sell sugar water to fat people and at every turn promote the rampant consumerist culture that is destroying our planet. They&#x27;re lower than pond scum and I never want to see a single ad from them ever.
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pinkgazellealmost 2 years ago
There&#x27;s many other platforms serving video. Youtube highly constraints their content, in the same way Google does, in ways that often don&#x27;t align with my searches<p>More and more I end up using other platforms like Rumble or Rutube
Tozenalmost 2 years ago
What YouTube&#x27;s&#x2F;Google&#x27;s greed and hubris will likely result in, are more programmers aggressively testing ad blockers that can defeat their new approach or users more aggressively looking for alternatives to YouTube.<p>And I&#x27;m totally amazed that execs at YouTube&#x2F;Google haven&#x27;t figured out that maybe a cheaper tier premium service for just no ads, might be a viable enough solution, versus thinking they are going to bully and intimate their customers. At least give it a try, and give users more options. Make a new basic tier for maybe $15 dollars a year, where there are no ads. There are just too many programmers in the world, to think &quot;aggressive intimidation&quot; is really going to work.
BasedAnonalmost 2 years ago
It&#x27;s a good thing I regularly archive the channels I like
PrimeMcFlyalmost 2 years ago
I need to write something that uses yt-dlp to download videos and play as they download, then delete after it is no longer needed.
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BasedAnonalmost 2 years ago
&quot;You have nothing! Nothing to threaten me with. Nothing to do with all your strength.&quot;
midoridenshaalmost 2 years ago
This should be interesting. I wonder how (or if) the pop-up warning works with 3rd-party apps.
ApolloFortyNinealmost 2 years ago
Unpopular opinion, ad blockers are the same as piracy.<p>There&#x27;s basically an agreement that in return for watching some video for free, you have to &#x27;pay&#x27; by watching an ad. On YouTube a significant amount of this money even goes to the creator.<p>Not really sure how you can defend your entitlement to free content with no ads, refusing to support the creator and provider, when the ad free version is reasonably priced, and even includes music.<p>To me it sounds like thinking a restaurant is too expensive so you just dine and dash.
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drcongoalmost 2 years ago
Doubt I watch as many as 3 videos per month on YouTube. I hate everything about it, it&#x27;s cesspool of scamming, racism, conspiracy nutters and people debasing themselves for clicks. I hope this kills it.
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