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Space Monkey Dropbox Competitor Wins Launch, Has Already Raised $750K

50 pointsby FluidDjangoabout 13 years ago

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ezlabout 13 years ago
There seem to be several companies in the "Dropbox competitor" space. A few have been funded by VC heavy hitters, so clearly there's something to this. But I don't really get it.<p>Can someone help me understand this trend? What makes a company feel like they can win here?<p>It seems like the benefit these companies are offering largely fall into these categories:<p><pre><code> 1. peer to peer/distributed storage 2. "value" more storage at cheaper prices 3. anonymity / better security </code></pre> While those all sound good, what I'm trying to figure out is how you make a business out of this. For the sake of argument, I'm going to take the "ugh, don't do this" side.<p>These aren't pain points for Dropbox users. To each point above, in turn:<p>1. Most users don't care about how their files are stored, they just want them to be available. It doesn't matter to them that they're distributed or that its peer to peer. They just want them to show up whenever they click their shared folder.<p>2. This doesn't seem like a winnable race by selling more storage capacity. 98% of dropbox users don't use the free 2GB. 2% of them happily pay for more space. Sure "twice the amount for the same price" sounds compelling, but the only people you are going to reach are either (a) users who are unhappily paying [small subset, and the friction of switching services is still high], (b) users who would otherwise go over the free barrier but don't want to pay [small set, again, very high friction of switching services], and (c) people who are not Dropbox users and are comparing the Dropbox vs Space Money/BitCasa/etc side by side and decide to go with the "more space" option [hard to win this initially because Dropbox has rave reviews and you're unheard of, you have to be as good as Dropbox at reaching out to everyone, you probably won't have Dropbox's dead simple UI]<p>3. Anonymity / Better security -- Also something that sounds good, but not a pain point for the majority of internet users. The class of users for which anonymous file storage or next level security is an issue is (a) very small, (b) overlaps heavily with the "I'd rather implement this myself" computing class. This market isn't big. Again, there's a fighting shot when a user with no cloud storage compares both services side by side, but you still have to match Dropbox's reach.<p>Dropbox was selling EASE. They have a really easy process, the product "just works", they are better at reaching their potential customers (more practice/lots of raving fans), support more platforms (I've been waiting for beta access for Linux for one of these for BitCasa for months), and most importantly: <i>for the huge majority of internet users the additional benefits are irrelevant</i>. Dropbox's win is serving a huge class of users and making most of them extremely happy. Another note is that the type of users who want to use these services for "infinite storage" are also very expensive users to support. If you're building a business you should prefer to serve the largest base of users who cost you the smallest amount of money but are willing to pay the same amount. Not, "a highly specialized, expensive user class that is highly price sensitive".<p>750k isn't going to be enough to overcome these hurdles. The only rationale I can come up with for VCs is that they are essentially writing it off as a lottery ticket in their portfolio.
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mikecaneabout 13 years ago
As much as I love the idea of a turnkey home server, I can't help thinking that will be Apple's next move. Some of us just won't use iCloud due to legal issues. If the gov't suddenly has an exigent need for, say, photos taken on a certain day, time, and place, their snooping won't be limited to plucking those from iCloud. They'll grab <i>all</i> the photos stored and sort through them afterwards. And that without legally having to serve search warrants to each individual user. I don't want my privacy and rights violated like that. So I'd like "iCloud for the Home," with a Mac mini that is where I put it and where the gov't needs to serve <i>me</i> personally with a warrant to access the data.<p>Also, despite this company's assurance about encryption, hell, the way Anonymous has cracked open things out there, I'm not about to trust anyone with even fractions of my data, especially since I think many Anonymous members will scoop this up and get busy hacking it.<p>[typo edit]
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trotskyabout 13 years ago
A great example of how positioning is everything. It's hard to believe that a startup saying "we lease an inexpensive NAS box running crashplan for $10/mo" would be winning events or getting press like that.
dmn001about 13 years ago
Given that it's P2P, I'd expect there to be extra bandwidth and storage cost that is reserved for other users. If it is wholly P2P, then I would assume that possibly only 400GB (1/2 + redundancy for network failure) of that 1TB can be used for your data, if they have centralised backup servers then more. For the former this system would only be reliable if the data is used as a backup for files that don't change that often, and that other peers have a fast enough upload rate.<p>This service does not seem any different from the other handful of P2P backup solutions [1] except for the included hardware. Maybe the difference is as a standalone network drive it would more difficult to restrict upload rate or switch off the program when you don't want to upload data.<p>Also it is uncertain whether multiple drives are needed for the thing to work in separate locations, e.g. transferring files from office to home.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_ser...</a>
nanerabout 13 years ago
Huh. This reminds me of the FreedomBox[1] effort.<p>I was always under the impression FreedomBox would never catch on because 1) they don't know how to make the software attractive and enticing and 2) requiring users to have some specialized hardware acting as a server is a big hurdle for most people. Also, and perhaps this is the biggest problem, the alternative centralized and cloud services are good enough for the vast majority of people.<p>Space Monkey looks cool but I'm not sure they're cool enough to overcome these obstacles. Also peer-to-peer provides its own weird drawbacks (similar with Skype) in that your home network is now being used as someone else's infrastructure. For a backup service data usage is going to be very high.<p>1: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomBox" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomBox</a>
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uptownabout 13 years ago
This sounds exactly like what CrashPlan does, only you don't need to buy a special drive to use CrashPlan, and if the remote drive you're backing up to is a friend or family member, you can do it all for free.<p>While I'm not saying there's not room in the space for multiple companies, CrashPlan sounds like a more-attractive alternative than being required to buy a special hard drive or pay a monthly fee to use this type of service.
StacyCabout 13 years ago
I am a satisfied Dropbox customer with the 100 GB service at $20/month. Having my files hosted with this one vendor carries with it enough concern about security. The prospect of having my files spread across a P2P network landing who-knows-where is another matter altogether, and not appealing to me in the least, assurances of encryption notwithstanding. This particular ‘cloud’ model elicits a <i>no thanks</i> from me at this time.
mikecaneabout 13 years ago
Sorry for adding another comment here, but I just wondered about Pogo Plug. Weren't they offering people basically this, but using their own hard drive?
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vereloabout 13 years ago
My favorite product, in concept, recently has been the wireless Time Capsule (however reviews don't look so great on the Apple site)<p>If this product could be used for my time machine backups (ideally with a wireless connected to my laptop), and then be sync'd to "the cloud"...i would pay for it in the blink of an eye.
thesashabout 13 years ago
In order to truly compete with Dropbox, they'd have to crack the (extremely tough) frictionless syncing as elegantly as Dropbox has. Anyone know if that's something their software does, or are we just using Dropbox Competitor as a blanket statement for any company offering backup services?
hervalabout 13 years ago
"we'll totally revolutionize the storage space! Now click here and buy an exclusive 240 usd device that has no release date, but is very exclusive"<p>Seriously, am I missing something here?
adityababout 13 years ago
I like how they have an impress.js-enabled site.
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yelloweyeabout 13 years ago
How spacemonkey is different from TonidoPlug (www.tonidoplug.com)? They also provide dropbox like sync that can host yourselves.