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Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 2024,requiring ETIAS form

104 pointsby drubioalmost 2 years ago

15 comments

bananapubalmost 2 years ago
summary:<p>1. it&#x27;s still &quot;visa-free&quot;, but increasingly countries are making that shit by requiring an &quot;electronic travel authority&quot; which is not technically a visa but is a bit of imaginary paper you get in exchange for money (e.g. Australia and the US)<p>2. the US already requires EU citizens to do this exact fucking thing to enter the US: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;esta.cbp.dhs.gov&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;esta.cbp.dhs.gov&#x2F;</a><p>3. the US refused to even grant visa free access at all to some EU citizens (those from Romania and Bulgaria): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.schengenvisainfo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;eu-visa-reciprocity-with-us-and-canada&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.schengenvisainfo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;eu-visa-reciprocity-wi...</a><p>it is unfortunate that ~2003 may end up being a high point for ease of travel for citizens of rich countries
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Davieyalmost 2 years ago
Calling it a Visa is hyperbole, even the linked article suggests it is more like a US style ESTA, which the US has forced on us since 2008 (which is only compatible with visa waiver programme).<p>The thing that makes me truly sad, as a UK citizen, I will also need this to travel to Europe since Brexit. It isn&#x27;t a US-centric requirement, which the headline suggests.
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world2vecalmost 2 years ago
As an EU citizen I need to apply for an ESTA to travel into US. They get my fingerprints and a photograph besides a scan of my password when applying to said ESTA. Seems it&#x27;s only fair US citizens get the same treatment? Alas, I&#x27;d prefer a much easier entry system for both sides. Aren&#x27;t we all supposed to be friendly allies?
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rcontialmost 2 years ago
Reminds me of when I showed up at SFO for my 2nd business trip to Australia, about 90mins before the flight. I had been unable to check in online (united&#x27;s site gave me an unhelpful error) but I didn&#x27;t think too much of it.<p>The kiosk at the airport also balked.<p>When I went to talk to a human, he casually asked me if I had a visa&#x2F;ETA. This totally perplexed me as I didn&#x27;t remember having to do anything in the past. He told me I&#x27;d just need to fill out a web form and &quot;they usually approve it within an hour&quot;.<p>Minor panic while I tried to fill out a complicated web form on my iphone at the airport with shaking hands. Ultimately it was approved within about 20 minutes and I had no issues with my flight. Lesson learned! I guess on my previous trip I used my company&#x27;s travel portal and it must have done the ETA for me automagically, so I never had any awareness I needed such a thing.
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drubioalmost 2 years ago
The timing on this is suspect. With all the Airbnb travel and remote work dynamics, it seems like its an effort to clamp down on tax loopholes.<p>It&#x27;s splitting hairs not calling this a &#x27;visa&#x27;. If you have to pay a fee and fill out forms before arrival IT IS intended to regulate foreign entry, which is the definition of a visa, since you&#x27;re exchanging information with immigration authorities before they let you in.
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injbalmost 2 years ago
The title is a lie and the content of the article is hyberbolic. When the new requirement comes in it&#x27;ll be the same as it is now for people who visit the US visa-free. The US has had this for years and Canada also has it for non-US citizens.
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jjgreenalmost 2 years ago
There will be fingerprint and face scans on arrival too.
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EduardoBautistaalmost 2 years ago
Title should be updated to match the article.<p>A travel authorization is not a visa, visa free travel for US citizens will remain.
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quartzalmost 2 years ago
&gt; At the heart of ETIAS is an electronic database system to better track who&#x27;s coming and going.<p>Lots of people online annoyed at having to pay a fee (7 euro) to travel but this is what it&#x27;s actually about.<p>Curious to know if EU governments are limited in what they can currently do with passport entry&#x2F;exit data and if this expansion allows them to do more?
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Scoundrelleralmost 2 years ago
Anywho, for anyone with some EU ancestors, see if you’re eligible to apply for citizenship (or get it recognized if you technically already are one).<p>ETIAS announcements pushed me to start that process and now doing the waiting game.
cudgyalmost 2 years ago
“And the pandemic is another one of the many reasons this new requirement has been delayed by decades — there was no need for ETIAS when countries closed their borders to all travel amid fears of spreading COVID-19.”<p>Decades? The pandemic is only a few years old. I guess the writer had to shoehorn the pandemic into their piece somehow.
xgl5kalmost 2 years ago
Misleading title, ETIAS is not a visa and it not directed at Americans as it applies to 60 countries including Canada, UK, Australia, Singapore, and South Korea.
djohnstonalmost 2 years ago
If I’m living in the UK i guess I’m still required until I get my passport? That’s sad, ez travelling to Europe was a big draw for moving.
cinntailealmost 2 years ago
As long as it&#x27;s the same when US citizens go to Europe I&#x27;m cool with this. If not, they should make it so.
mixmastamykalmost 2 years ago
After being forced to submit face and fingerprints in Asia this summer, and no clue where the data went. I’m thinking my traveling days are over. A shame as travel has been beneficial.
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