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How Tablets Will Transform Construction

62 pointsby rsuttongeeabout 13 years ago

11 comments

pgabout 13 years ago
PlanGrid shows how wrong people were to think the iPad was just a toy. It turned out to be the last remaining thing the construction industry needed to go digital. I doubt Steve Jobs knew that when Apple released the iPad. Nor did we know it when we published RFS 6 (<a href="http://ycombinator.com/rfs6.html" rel="nofollow">http://ycombinator.com/rfs6.html</a>). But they knew and we knew that they were onto something.<p>What other industries have been waiting for the iPad? If you want to build what they need, we'd love to fund you.
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sopooneoabout 13 years ago
I don't get it. If there is such a need for this, why wasn't it met with software on any of the sylus based tablets that came out over the last 15 years? Was their hardware to heavy and clunky? Because it seems to me that for serious work, especially making fine notes on a blue print, the accuracy of a stylus over a fingertip would be very valuable.
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sbierwagenabout 13 years ago
I've worked from prints in construction, (HVAC, electrician) and I've got a question and a couple general objections.<p>1.) Do capacitive touchscreens work through work gloves? I'd use a stylus, but it'd have to be big and thick to use with gloves.<p>A.) The tablet would have to be waterproof and more durable than the current model ipad. Battery life isn't so much of a problem. (I plug in my flashlight and work phone at the end of the day anyway)<p>B.) It also has to be cheaper, because ruggedized models will get destroyed anyway. (Dropping them off the tops of scissor lifts, scoring the surface of the screen, etc)<p>All this seems to imply that wearable displays (ala Rainbows End) would work better for construction.
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wensingabout 13 years ago
I grew up in my dad's architecture firm (literally, he worked day and night so when I was sick from school I used to bunk between massive cabinets of blueprints ...), so I've seen (and run) more blueprints than 99% of the humans on the planet. I can't help but think of all the scribbles and marks and pencilings that happen on a blueprint, not to mention physical seals and architect's signatures, etc. There's so much more to paper than just the initial drawing. What timeframe and technological advances are you counting on before widespread adoption and replacement ("adios blueprints!") really becomes feasible?
OoTheNigerianabout 13 years ago
Woobious (Swombat's startup) has been in this space for while. I am rather surprised that they have not done stuff with the tablet form factor.<p>WoobiusEye is <a href="http://woobiuseye.com/" rel="nofollow">http://woobiuseye.com/</a> is practically made for the tablet.<p>Edit to give feedback on the site: ==================================<p>It would help to have screenshots of your app to show (Architects are visual)how it is different from any normal document manager. I guess it is, but I do not really have time to download and find out.<p>It is a good idea, addressing a big market. Good one.
someone_welshabout 13 years ago
First of all, I should probably disclose that I am a construction industry professional of some sort (architectural training, science training, currently an MEP engineer).<p>Several problems with the article.<p>The "poor guys in the field". Who are they? Why have they "gotten worse and worse"? Have they? (They have a far greater financial interest in improve efficiency than it is for the more "professional" end of the construction industry - at least in UK)<p>These "guys in the field"... something tells me it'll be a while before a main contractor starts giving all his workers ipads.<p>What's the cost per tablet? how many would be needed? How much training in the use of various software would be required? (for people who may not be particularly prone to... using elaborate software). A typical construction worker might work for a main contractor (via various subcontractors) for a total of 6 months. I'm sure they'd be happy to leave with an extra bonus of a tablet after that. How well does a tablet perform when its screen is caked in concrete?<p>Then there's the issue of the software. Some of this "amazing software" - (i'm going to pick on Revit as that's what I'm most experienced in) requires a supercomputer to run. If that's how the information is organised, then where is it going to be filtered down to the needs of the contractor in question, (who is "asking the question of the architect")<p>(According to the article, Revit architecture = amazing software. This I wholeheartedly dispute. For many reasons, but that's another story)<p>At this point I should point out that the "much better communication" bit is quite inaccurate where it details the process of an RFI. For a start - paper is a cheap way for all workers to have the information at hand - ie with them there and then - not in the "trailer".<p>Once these over-estimates of the time currently spent are taken out, the two are broadly similar. Replace "looks at problem and makes notes on plans" with "looks at problem, cleans his hands, tries to navigate clunky over elaborate BIM model on underpowered tablet, finally finds relevant part of large and complex building, annotates it, uploads to central server via wi-fi.<p>The bit about tablets being already massively adopted in construction industry has a link to someone using their ipad essentially for accounting purposes. Sure. People already do this all the time, with smartphones. Nothing to see here.<p>There's a throwaway comment about green buildings in there as well. To which I say the following:<p>The typical design lifespan of a building nowadays is 40-60 years. What about when they're demolished quicker than this though, perhaps because they're shit? How green is it to cut costs everywhere to result in a nasty piece of urban fabric which is subsequently destroyed, to be replace, even if it's covered in eco tech? What's the lifespan of a really well considered building which grows and flourishes with the love of those who experience it?<p>Also, new “BIM” software is often marketed as being able to enable “greener” building design. My current experience suggests it will be 5 years or so before its even slightly adequate at this. The calculation procedures offered are terrible, constrained and offer nowhere near the flexibility or creativity of a good old spreadsheet. Yet they slow down the spatial modelling process and provide inertia to change, iteration and flexibility. There's a lot to be said for centralising information storage (whilst contextualising it with a 3D model), yet at present this is beyond the practical means of most hardware (I personally doubt this, and attribute it to sloppy/inefficient software design. But this isn't my field – I imagine everyone else @ HN knows a lot more on this)<p>It may seem that I'm an anti tech luddite from this post, but nothing could be further from the truth. I'm reasonably young (late 20s) and generally embrace technological progress.<p>Also, it can't be denied that the construction industry is very staid and has much inertia against change.<p>However, I think that there is a lot of external pressure on the industry to adopt new technologies imposed from outside, as they are "the future" etc. In many cases, the technology is not appropriate to the situation at hand.<p>Building design is then adapted to the needs of the software, rather than the other way round. This results in a lot of terrible buildings (which are, it goes without saying, produced cheaply and efficiently). This is a massive shame, as buildings are part of the shared cultural capital of our civilisation and are unavoidable. Just because you don't work/live in a building, it doesn't mean you don't have to experience it.<p>Anyway, that's probably enough for now. I can probably elaborate on all sorts if people are interested.
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drewcrawfordabout 13 years ago
My father has been in the commercial construction industry for 30+ years. I am an iOS developer that runs a contracting company where we write software for niche professional markets. Let's just say I've spent a long time thinking about iPad projects for the construction industry, none of which are active projects. Let me tell you why.<p>The construction industry operates with a margin that reasonable people think is insane. If you're a software developer, it's a total paradigm shift. Companies do $500M in construction and post $500k net profit. One mistake and you're so far in the red you will never get out.<p>If you think software development has competitive pressure e.g. from overseas, you ain't seen nothing. Unless you are designing Apple stores, you are doing bid work. Although construction is composed of many expert disciplines, each of which have competitive protection, on a broad level one general contractor is as good as any other. You may have two master electricians serving an area that are basically insulated from competition with other electricians, but they may contract to 10 general contractors who interface with the client, companies that have no real competitive differentiator from each other than price. This forces the 10 general contractors to compete for the client's business, often comprised of an overlapping set of skilled trade personnel, essentially on the basis of how many corners they can cut and still pass inspection.<p>And you want these people to buy a bunch of iPads? While they are debating the merits of breaking the building code to save costs? You can sell this to specialty contractors, to the people who build Disney parks and Black Mesa, but not the vast majority who answer RFPs.<p>Yes, this product has the potential to prevent mistakes, but contractors carry insurance for that. Unless they get a break on the E&#38;O rates that exceeds the cost of deploying the iPads, it's not going to happen. Not in an environment when "sue me" is your standard conflict resolution mechanism.<p>Next problem. A general contractor's job is like herding cats. You're lucky to get a drywaller who shows up on time and works 8-hour days. Never mind reads a set of <i>paper</i> plans. Never mind goes to training to use an iPad. You have some shot at getting the office people, all five of them, using a system like this, but five seats per job site at $50/seat doesn't sound like a business model to me.<p>Next problem. Architects like to plan fancy IP games with blueprints. Want a third copy of that blueprint? You must take it to our specialty printer who kicks us back a royalty on every blueprint plan they print. Not everyone is like this, but the low-priced architects are. And now you can't get the plans to put into your iPad system.<p>Kudos to these guys for trying, but there's a lot more to be solved here than just "hurr durr put a PDF on an iPad" product. There are fundamental realities of the construction business model that have to be hacked to make writing iPad software for that market into a sustainable business. I certainly hope these guys prove these problems are solvable, because there are many niche products I've been thinking about doing in the same market, but the TechCrunch writeups I've seen so far don't really explain how they are going to solve these problems (perhaps deliberately; if it was me I wouldn't want to tell everyone how to solve these problems if I knew).
mynegationabout 13 years ago
Blueprints, communication and analytics are great. But really revolutionary technology for construction would be something like that:<p><a href="http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-01/grasp-lab-quadcopters-construct-towers-autonomous-swarms" rel="nofollow">http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-01/grasp-lab-q...</a>
noonespecialabout 13 years ago
Just an OT anecdote, but I can't tell you how much better my iPad has made me at fixing cars. Especially cars with lots of forum space.<p>I never even wonder what size that bolt is on my Ford pickup because someone on a forum already has detailed, annotated pictures of the whole procedure. Its been years since I've even cracked a Chilton's.
jguimontabout 13 years ago
Do you guys have an API? I have a web solution for construction contractor that could benefit from that: <a href="http://ontakeoff.com" rel="nofollow">http://ontakeoff.com</a>
agumonkeyabout 13 years ago
Samsung is starting flexible screen production.. live blueprint in roll ?