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US Spies Are Lobbying Congress to Save a Phone Surveillance ‘Loophole’

167 pointsby jbotdevalmost 2 years ago

10 comments

jwiealmost 2 years ago
If they can buy it then I can opt out.<p>It is an unconstitutional practice. If they didn’t think it was they wouldn’t go through the extra steps to get the data. Outsourcing one part of the illegal enterprise doesn’t make the whole thing legal.<p>But if they want to play this game, an interesting way to bait a Supreme Court case might be to request a CCPA delete for the NSAs “commercial” data.
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sandworm101almost 2 years ago
If you don&#x27;t want them to buy your data, <i>stop selling it.</i> Lock down your browsers. Don&#x27;t use Facebook. Put a better OS on your phone. And sue every company that even hints at violating privacy rules.
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singingwolfboyalmost 2 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230729141840&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;nsa-ndaa-lobbying-privacy-loophole&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230729141840&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired...</a>
RyanAdamasalmost 2 years ago
This is exactly why the US Government will not create a Citizen Network for authenticated social sharing among actual participants in our Social Contract. It&#x27;s absolutely a path to despotism, and very few have the stomach for rebellion.
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thefurdrakealmost 2 years ago
I have mixed feelings about all this.<p>Obviously, the intelligence agencies are thwarting the spirit of the law requiring warrants by buying data hoovered up by big data.<p>But I was always told growing up not to share things on the internet I don&#x27;t want everyone to know. I feel like you kind of deserve having your data hoovered up by the government if you share that data publicly on social media, but personal responsibility doesn&#x27;t appear to be a contributing factor in this discussion for some reason.<p>That&#x27;s not the only source of data, obviously, but there are a lot of people on HN who think blocking ads is piracy. To those people, I present this exact problem, because they should have seen it coming. Adtech is amoral and unethical, and ways of life that rely upon it should collapse. No mercy, I don&#x27;t care, find a better business model or live on the street.
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exabrialalmost 2 years ago
For the love of all that is good... the problem isn&#x27;t &quot;omg the NSA is buying data!&quot; the problem is this data is being collected in the first place.<p>ALL data collection should be restored to its natural state of OptIn, no matter what zuck or any other silicon valley bro says.
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mc32almost 2 years ago
It’s so obviously unconstitutional. If Congress gives them a pass, I don’t see how they would explain allowing agencies to sidestep the Constitution. At that point they’re not upholding the Constitution any more. The only chance is bringing it up to the Supreme Court.
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RcouF1uZ4gsCalmost 2 years ago
I actually think that is reasonable.<p>If the data is already commercially available, why not access it.<p>If you want to fight this, regulate the commercial collection and sale of this data.
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tiahuraalmost 2 years ago
If it’s publicly available, they don’t need a warrant. That’s been the 4A law from the beginning.
0xParlayalmost 2 years ago
Wait is Snowden still considered a loser here? I can&#x27;t keep track of the narrative.<p>We have an agency beholden to no-one with the power to blackmail any journalist, lawyer, politician, associate, etc.<p>We have an agency that seems to take pride in &quot;hacking&quot; the constitution. We&#x27;ve been shown glimpses and glimmers of clever mechanisms to run-around the US Constitution.<p>Go ahead and use a VPN and lock down your stupid android OS. You fail to grasp the breadth and depth of sources for harvesting &quot;public&quot; intel.<p>If you want to be a founder and have no moral code there&#x27;s ample opportunity here. IoT and connectivity make it cheaper than ever to generate intel on people. Fingerprint people&#x27;s voices in public, travel patterns, associations, bluetooth&#x2F;wifi device ids, home wifi attributes, etc. Who&#x27;s the customer? Big Brother.. Spy on your fellow Americans to help combat Terrorism.<p>Tin foil hat on: It might be too late for any of this to be meaningfully reformed. The people-in-charge already have enough blackmail on politicians they can drown out dissent. If there is any reform, the info gained from illegitimate sources is already stored as weights into a neural model for future use. Creating the neural model would be &quot;constitutional&quot; because the models aren&#x27;t &quot;searched&quot; lol<p>Our national security apparatus is running on self-signed certs. Hope nothing goes wrong with that!
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