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People would rather be electrically shocked than left alone with their thoughts

26 pointsby LastNevadanalmost 2 years ago

9 comments

furyofantaresalmost 2 years ago
&gt; Even though all participants had previously stated that they would pay money to avoid being shocked with electricity<p>I&#x27;d say I&#x27;d pay money to avoid being shocked, and then if left alone in a room with a button that shocks me I would press the button.<p>I&#x27;m taking signals from the experimenter! When you ask that question it suggests it&#x27;s possibly worth paying to avoid, plus however you word it, it takes the form of &quot;we&#x27;ll shock you unless you pay&quot;, which is kinda threatening even if worded gently. It&#x27;s still threatening and demeaning even if you ask if you can pay me to shock me.<p>Leave me alone with the button and it gives me a different signal, and the implied power dynamic is reversed, it&#x27;s my agency. And to be honest I think if I had previously answered the other question I would now be extra curious what it was I said I&#x27;d pay to avoid.
bratgpttameralmost 2 years ago
I love being left alone with my thoughts, but I&#x27;d probably push the button anyway, not out of boredom, but because it&#x27;s a rare opportunity to see what the infamous psych lab electric shocks are like.
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LargeTomatoalmost 2 years ago
I can&#x27;t stand not being alone with my thoughts. I can&#x27;t really listen to music without getting anxious. I often am happiest just being alone and thinking. I drive in silence and just think.
vlodalmost 2 years ago
I get funny looks when I go walk (say a 90min) the dog, without my phone (so no podcasts&#x2F;music). I find it really helps me solve tech problems.<p>I think my brain is always trying to tell me what to do, if I just STFU for a bit. Also I find that you pick up on strange&#x2F;interesting things happening around you if you just observe.
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dustedalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;d pay to be left alone with my thoughts.
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badrabbitalmost 2 years ago
This is a bit weird for me. I don&#x27;t particilarly like or dislike it, it&#x27;s just what it is. Do other people not have 1h+&#x2F;day where they are bored of their smartphone&#x2F;tv and don&#x27;t do anything at all? I get at least 5-6 hours a week (possibly twice that) alone with my thoughts. I thought it was mostly child raising people that were forced into 110% time for others mode.<p>It&#x27;s very easy to get carried away if there is some problem and I have an idea, I just keep measuring&#x2F;calculating until it gets out of hand and meh... I don&#x27;t get enough out of it to actually do it IRL . Things like climate change, us politics, startup ideas, technical problems I&#x27;ve seen at work, religion, nature of the universe,etc...I even come up with surprisingly funny jokes&#x2F;humor but only if I am tired and grouchy (is it the mind&#x27;s auto-response to protect itself? Is this why comedians are usually sad&#x2F;distreessed IRL?).<p>I am a bit surprised by this post because there are a ton of people much smarter than me on HN and I presumed they must spend a ton of time with their own thoughts, figuring shit out. But I am not seeing comments of that nature. Perhaps grit&#x2F;discipline and interest play a bigger role?<p>I gotta say though, getting to know myself has not been pleasant, but it is the truth and reality, at least then I can change. One lesson I&#x27;ve learned in recent years is how utterly terrible I and we humans in general ultimately are, and it wasn&#x27;t surprising when I found out that even babies can be racist, greedy, jealous,etc... and have to be taught what is good and right. A lot of &quot;good&quot; behavior is only a consequence of a full belly, social&#x2F;peer consensus, shelter and desirable socio-economic conditions. I know damn well I am capable of shameful cowardice or hitlerian atrocities and I will fight like everything I am depends on it to prevent that and stop rationaliztion and self-deception that is needed to do terrible things.<p>If you ask me, everyone should spend time with their own thoughts and get to know themselves. &quot;The wolf you feed&quot; wins after all (if you know of that parable).
Arrathalmost 2 years ago
I love complete, dead silence. I can&#x27;t stand it when people need to fill every second with noise just because, whether it&#x27;s with the tv, music, or a constant stream of consciousness chatter.
mrandishalmost 2 years ago
I read the article because I&#x27;m quite strongly the opposite of the &quot;most people&quot; study population and I&#x27;ve been thinking about this trait more lately. Sadly, TFA doesn&#x27;t address the opposite case very deeply...<p>&gt; <i>Some people seem to enjoy thinking more than others. For instance, the study found that people who are more agreeable or cooperative were more likely to enjoy themselves when they were told to think about anything. Individuals who admitted that their daydreams normally leave them happy fared better, too.</i><p>I generally like &quot;being alone with my thoughts&quot; but not exclusively so. For a few years I had a multi-hour, once a week-ish commute and on such a long drive alone, I would occasionally listen to podcasts but my content bar is high, it needs to be one of the few podcasts I really enjoy AND even then an episode on a topic I&#x27;m especially interested in. Even with my favorite podcast, nowhere near half the episodes make my interest-level cut. The reason is that the alternate content needs to be more appealing to me than thinking my own thoughts. I find pure thinking to be quite interesting, engaging and even sometimes downright entertaining. It can also be productive as I&#x27;ll often have ideas or realizations which are valuable.<p>I realize that I&#x27;m in the minority as I have friends who&#x27;ve expressed apparent horror at the thought of just driving alone for a couple hours and thinking in silence. I find that the times I do prefer to listen to a podcast are usually when I&#x27;m too mentally tired to generate my own good quality thinking.<p>In case it&#x27;s of interest to anyone else who may share this trait, here are my other relevant characteristics:<p>- I was clinically diagnosed in childhood (many decades ago) with ADHD significant enough to be medicated daily and put in special ed classes (heavily attentional, minimially hyperactive or emotional). For me, meds did help mitigate the attentional impacts of ADHD enough to muddle through typical school contexts with mostly Bs and Cs and I&#x27;ve found meds meaningfully (although not completely) useful in adult careers as well.<p>- My personal satisfaction and career trajectory found success once I learned to focus on bridging between traditional technical and creative roles. I was an &quot;above average&quot; programmer but never at the top. Same with writing, design, marketing, customer engagement, etc. But with good knowledge, decent ability and lots of experience in both - I excelled at product management and entrepreneurial-type roles.<p>- I&#x27;m a &quot;secret introvert&quot;, meaning that most people who work with me or know me casually would assume I&#x27;m an extrovert as I not only have no problem giving a keynote speech, stage demo or delivering a high-stakes presentation to the BOD or VCs - I&#x27;m widely considered very good at it and even enjoy it sometimes. It&#x27;s also easy for me to step into the role of ad hoc host of the reception or be the &#x27;life of the party&#x27; when necessary. In fact, I always <i>thought</i> I was an extrovert until I went to one of those in-depth, high-level leadership training programs where a team of psychologists spent days one-on-one assessing me and told me I was clearly an introvert and probably always have been. I openly doubted them until they told me that what really mattered wasn&#x27;t &quot;did I like it or do it well&quot; but instead &quot;did I recharge my batteries afterward by being alone or by being engaged with others.&quot; Then it made perfect sense because I&#x27;ve definitely always recharged alone after major emotional energy expenditures.<p>- One perhaps downside trait which may be related is that I am strictly a mono-tasker, so much so, now I just point-blank tell people &quot;I can either listen, talk or think - but I can&#x27;t do any of them <i>well</i> if I have to do more than one at a time.&quot; This is true to the extent that what others might consider acceptable ambient noise like a TV talk show playing in the same room can to me be almost like &quot;a denial of service attack on coherent thought&quot;. Like I find it pretty uncomfortable to even have breakfast in one of those communal breakfast buffet rooms at business travel hotels where they play Good Morning America or CNN at pretty high volume. Even if I&#x27;m just eating alone - it takes extra effort to form coherent chains of thought, so I just take my plate back to my room. As for my friends who say they &quot;always have a radio or TV turned on for ambient comfort&quot; anytime they are alone, doing something else and not at all watching it - even just imagining that is kind of uncomfortable to me. (and yes, in my laptop bag I always have a variety of earplugs and noise canceling devices to enable functioning in various &#x27;hostile&#x27; contexts). Just to be clear, I love watching great movies and good TV shows and even have a high-end home theater dedicated to it. However, when I watch media - I do so intently and with pure focus. If I have guests over who may like to talk during good movies, I prefer to just go into host mode refilling drinks and popcorn and will wait to really <i>watch</i> the film later on my own (unless the film is just bad, in which case, if I&#x27;m alone, I&#x27;ll leave the theater or stop the film - I guess because my high-focus attentional cycles can be scarce I treat them as valuable and worth conserving).
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midoridenshaalmost 2 years ago
Just how bad is the shock? What voltage? AC or DC? What part of the body, and what&#x27;s the return path for the current?
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