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Lichess will no longer cooperate with the USCF and the Saint Louis Chess Club

95 pointsby giordsalmost 2 years ago

5 comments

COGloryalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;m confused what Lichess wanted here.<p>One woman complained. USCF assigned her an escort. More women complained. USCF banned the guy.<p>This sounds completely reasonable, unless the first woman provided proof, you can&#x27;t just ban someone because of an allegation. But they took steps to ensure her safety at future events.<p>What does Lichess want here? They say it&#x27;s insufficient, but they never really say what should have been done.<p>Edit: to clarify, I&#x27;m talking about the incident with Timur
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duxupalmost 2 years ago
I want to address this more generally. I&#x27;m not taking issue with any of the claims, I don&#x27;t know what is true or isn&#x27;t.<p>The thing I wonder after reading this is how many organizations struggle to deal with these types of situations. Employers, schools, universities, clubs all seem to now have to have a process to address these things. And yet they seem to fumble it regularly, in every direction. The results are all over the map, ignore the issue, too strict, knee jerk in about every way, sometimes every way...<p>It occurs to me that none of these organization naturally have a good mechanism for dealing with these things, nor do they necessarily have people qualified to do so (even Big US Universities for all their resources have demonstrated their own ability to do poorly in every way).<p>We all have ideas about how we think these groups should act after the fact, but how do you really get it right?<p>How does any organization decide &quot;We&#x27;re going to address these kinds of claims, investigate, and act appropriately?&quot; Where do they even start?
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tick_tock_tickalmost 2 years ago
One thing I&#x27;m really struggling with for all these kind of issues is do we really want to create another legal system? That&#x27;s basically what every organization is being pushed into at this rate.<p>From Universities to chess Leagues they are assembling what amounts to their own judges, juries, and prosecutors.<p>If someone is committing sexual assault why does their seem to be this avoidance of the existing legal system and a push into these opaque and what amounts to amateur alternative legal systems?
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veavealmost 2 years ago
Lots of allegations, lots of testimonies, zero police reports, zero convictions.
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lubesGordialmost 2 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t aware Lichess had journalists doing research to write articles and conduct interviews.