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Ask HN: What are the “lost arts” of our field?

12 pointsby Gabrielfairalmost 2 years ago
I&#x27;ve been thinking a lot of the good old simple days of the internet and programming. Lots of technology and tools are killed now right out of the gate b&#x2F;c of how powerful established players have gotten. Your hobby project to track bots on twitter, killed by an overnight API change.<p>So I&#x27;m looking for a list of the &quot;lost arts&quot;.<p>For example, its near impossible to find documentation related to reverse engineering Widevine DRM.<p>Anything published is scrubbed from the internet search results lighting fast.

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tacostakohashialmost 2 years ago
To paraphrase your own complaint - one &quot;lost art&quot; is self-contained software, that can be shipped on a CD, including release notes and documentation that form part of the software&#x2F;release itself, and can be used on a standalone computer with no internet access, or occasional internet access.<p>Lots of software these days is written with the naive assumption of continuous, unlimited bandwidth &#x2F; zero-latency internet connectivity, and falls apart whenever that assumption turns out to be incorrect.
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frflalmost 2 years ago
Writing low level things from scratch, utilizing CPUs fully, not relying on high level things that abstract away all the underlying hardware, OS and other low level details.<p>The Handmade [1] community is really into that stuff Originally inspired by Casey Muratori&#x27;s Handmade Hero Series [2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;handmade.network&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;handmade.network&#x2F;</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;handmadehero.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;handmadehero.org&#x2F;</a>
RicoElectricoalmost 2 years ago
User research, UI design. Windows 95 was a big leap in that regard, at least in the PC space [1]<p>Nowadays it&#x27;s &quot;move fast &amp; break things&quot;, following the fashion, and asshole design (&quot;dark patterns&quot;).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dl.acm.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;fullHtml&#x2F;10.1145&#x2F;238386.238611" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dl.acm.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;fullHtml&#x2F;10.1145&#x2F;238386.238611</a>
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mikewarotalmost 2 years ago
We used to have tools that could be used to build a CRUD application from scratch in a few hours (minutes for a trivial one). Delphi and Visual Basic 6 were widely used by domain experts to hammer out a workable tool.<p>Then Microsoft got obsessed with .NET because they thought everyone was going to bail on the X86, and used it as an excuse to kill off VB6. The shift to &quot;professional&quot; programming tools really just added a ton of boilerplate.<p>Since then, we&#x27;ve been forced to send UI though a soda straw to a random web browser, and make it all work.
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h2odragonalmost 2 years ago
Analog video encryption and decryption, perhaps. see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Videocipher" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Videocipher</a><p>Knuth used to have a section on &quot;sorting with tapes&quot; that he removed; but the problems there might still generalize to slower access methods even when they&#x27;re not as strictly sequential as tapes. Maximizing bandwidth to GPU chores and searching through 10TB+ hdd&#x27;s with only relatively tiny access speed both have similarities to some of those problems.
gradschoolalmost 2 years ago
Well-known game developer Jonathan Blow has a lot to say about software and technology more generally being in decline due to skills being lost when older generations retire [1]. In my own experience, writing code with pointers in it used to be a skill expected of entry level programmers, and getting the hang of it was something of a rite of passage. Around the time Java started being used as a teaching language, it became best practice to rely on the language&#x27;s standard libraries instead of rolling one&#x27;s own linked list or whatever, and I instructed university students accordingly. As things have developed, the design effort put into Rust seems to imply that pointers are now regarded as a grand challenge problem. These days I don&#x27;t tie my own neck ties any more but wear the clip-on kind because the knots have been developed and tested by experts.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=pW-SOdj4Kkk">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=pW-SOdj4Kkk</a>
cpachalmost 2 years ago
Writing good Mac applications is a quite rare skill these days. Not extinct – but the share of devs that can do it is probably quite small.
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rthomas6almost 2 years ago
As an outsider to web dev, I think there&#x27;s a lot of wheel reinventing going on in web technologies over the past 10 years or so, and we still haven&#x27;t fully caught up to where we were.<p>XMPP was a federated instant messenger protocol that worked extremely well and was widely used. It generally worked better than Element&#x2F;Matrix or MS Teams in my experience. It was used by over 10 million people by 2003.<p>Adobe Flash. It had a lot of security and usability issues, but HTML5 has still not caught up to it. Any bright 15 year old could spend a day and make their own game.<p>Makefiles. People hate on them, but if you get around their weird syntax and other eccentricities, it&#x27;s hard to find a better build system. They&#x27;ve been around since the 70s, and I have not seen another build system achieve feature parity.
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mkbknalmost 2 years ago
&gt; Anything published is scrubbed from the internet search results lighting fast.<p>Try alternative search engines like Yandex etc.
mattbgatesalmost 2 years ago
Back in my day... probably not technically a lost art, but an interesting lesson in math.<p>I remember I was in computer science class. I was 17 years old.<p>And the teacher taught us how to read binary and how to calculate it. He said binary was math which is a universal language that even aliens could understand and would allow us to communicate though we&#x27;d still run into the struggle of converting that binary to actual meanings, such as converting binary to English or vice versa.<p>We often don&#x27;t think about it, but our programming technology is based on binary calculations.<p>I&#x27;d put the Conversion to Binary or from Binary in the lost arts category because I highly doubt it is ever taught, not even in computer science classes nowadays because its just slow and boring to do the conversions.<p>But if you do think about it, he wasn&#x27;t wrong.<p>For those who are curious about it:<p>Converting binary to English or math involves interpreting the binary representation of numbers or characters into their corresponding decimal values or ASCII representations. Here&#x27;s how you can do it:<p>Binary to Decimal (Math): Each digit in a binary number represents a power of 2. To convert binary to decimal, start from the rightmost digit and multiply each digit by 2 raised to its position, then sum up the results.<p>Example: Convert binary 1101 to decimal.<p>1 * 2^3 + 1 * 2^2 + 0 * 2^1 + 1 * 2^0 = 8 + 4 + 0 + 1 = 13<p>Binary to ASCII (English): ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) is a character encoding standard where each character is represented by a unique numeric value. In ASCII, each character is assigned a decimal value, which can be converted from binary.<p>Example: Convert binary 01001000 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 to ASCII (which represents the word &quot;Hello&quot;).<p>01001000 -&gt; 72 (H)<p>01100101 -&gt; 101 (e)<p>01101100 -&gt; 108 (l)<p>01101100 -&gt; 108 (l)<p>01101111 -&gt; 111 (o)<p>So, to convert binary to English or math, follow these steps:<p>For English (ASCII characters):<p>Divide the binary into groups of 8 bits (1 byte).<p>Convert each group of 8 bits to decimal.<p>Find the ASCII character associated with the decimal value.<p>For Math (Decimal):<p>Write down the binary number.<p>Multiply each binary digit by 2 raised to its position (starting from the rightmost position).<p>Sum up the results to get the decimal equivalent.<p>Keep in mind that this process is straightforward for numbers and ASCII characters, but other types of binary data (like images or files) may require different methods to interpret.
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