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Every greenfield OSS project should join Mastodon

25 pointsby erlend_shalmost 2 years ago

5 comments

CharlesWalmost 2 years ago
&gt; <i>The hardest part about entering the fediverse is joining an instance [of Mastodon].</i><p>In the fediverse, organizations shouldn&#x27;t have to homestead on someone else&#x27;s Mastodon instance. But unfortunately, self-hosting Mastodon at anything more than &quot;toy&quot; scale is incredibly onerous.<p>On the bright side, a vendor recently posted about their proprietary Mastodon clone operating at 100 the efficiency of Mastodon, so happily this doesn&#x27;t appear to be an intrinsic problem with ActivityPub. Let&#x27;s hope there are better open-source solutions soon.<p>&gt; <i>So why make the effort? Because the fediverse, like open source, is a movement.</i><p>Statements like this make me very sad about the probable future of the fediverse. Nobody cares about &quot;movements&quot; other than zealots. In order to succeed, federated services <i>must</i> be better and at least as convenient as centralized alternatives.
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lakomenalmost 2 years ago
Call it the fediverse please.<p>And it had a censorship problem.
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butzalmost 2 years ago
This call should be extended to governments and public utilities, maybe with some instructions of easier onboarding.
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zzo38computeralmost 2 years ago
Although I have FOSS projects, there is no social media so far. There are several difficulties.<p>&gt; Bluecheck-bros are prioritized. Content is heavily rate limited. DMs are restricted. Obtuse algorithms rule supreme. You&#x27;ll also be sharing the space with an increasing amount of far-right influencers and a diminishing number of reputable scientists.<p>There are some problems with Twitter, including some of the things listed here (and many others beyond these), but some is unclear. How much rate limiting? Send or receive or both? And if there are other people on there, that isn&#x27;t such significant; at least on Nitter (I don&#x27;t know if you can directly on Twitter, but probably you can), you can view messages from an individual user account or messages belonging to an individual thread, so you do not have to display everything.<p>&gt; I will argue that the 10+ million people already on the fediverse are actually the exact group of nerdy open culture enthusiasts you wanna be reaching out to. As the common startup advice goes (which I can attest also holds true for community building), this is where you&#x27;ll find the first 10-100 people who love your project.<p>It would be a good idea, because currently hardly anyone has the interest of my projects (other than myself). It would be helpful to make them well-known, although for the mainly discussions forums of my projects I would want to use NNTP instead (which I already have set up).<p>&gt; [Fediverse] runs on the same interoperable internet protocols that enable you to view this HTML document in a standards-based web browser.<p>It is true, but both protocols are too complicated, and have some other technical problems.<p>I would want to make the discussion forums for my projects to be on NNTP, and I have a NNTP server set up for such a thing, but currently it is hardly in use by anyone. Furthermore, I think what I had read is Mastodon does not implement ActivityPub client-server protocol anyways, and only server-server protocol is implemented.<p>Mastodon also is requiring their own protocol which is not indicated by the URL (since many instances are possible) and which does not seem to be a way to identify it. And then you will have to use their HTML and JavaScripts etc (and, I do not want my messages to be blocked by such a things, if I can avoid it), and if you want to customize you will have to know each one, to do it.<p>&gt; Hachyderm checks all the boxes most OSS folks should care about<p>That is hardly even half of them. Also, some of them are not clear enough.<p>Another note about Mastodon (and about Fediverse in general): When blocking users or instances, there should be possibility of (if the blocked instance does not cause excessive flooding) to hide them from displays which are not explicitly showing them (e.g. replies to a thread which is being displayed; users can still hide messages from individual users or instances or whatever else if they wish to do so), rather than necessarily having to be blocked entirely. (Although the things people say about it suggests it doesn&#x27;t work that way, even though I am not sure why it shouldn&#x27;t work that way.)
memefrogalmost 2 years ago
&gt; That&#x27;s because you didn&#x27;t install Linux to save time. You entered the world of Linux (or WordPress, Node, Python etc.) because you got the sense that something is happening over there. People who are as annoying as they are clever never seem to shut up about it.<p>I use Linux because it is just better than the alternatives, not because it is a super special secret club for the smart. It isn&#x27;t. Using it doesn&#x27;t make you special. Going on about it constantly doesn&#x27;t attract people, it turns them off, especially when framed like this.<p>&gt; It used to be that you had to use Twitter because of its network power and consequent reach.<p>No, you didn&#x27;t. Most people have never had an account and have never even been to it. Facebook is something that was nearly universal. Twitter has always been that weird esoteric platform for journalists and celebrities and their (pretty pathetic) groupies. It is certainly not necessary for open source software developers to have an account.<p>&gt; You&#x27;ll also be sharing the space with an increasing amount of far-right influencers and a diminishing number of reputable scientists.<p>Where &quot;far right&quot; presumably means you aren&#x27;t a communist and don&#x27;t believe in gender ideology.<p>&gt;I will argue that the 10+ million people already on the fediverse are actually the exact group of nerdy open culture enthusiasts you wanna be reaching out to.<p>I cannot imagine a group of people I would want to &quot;reach out to&quot; LESS than the people I see on Mastodon when I look at it. Yes I really want to go to a social network where I will get verbally abused for not putting alt text on images. Yes I really want to share a social network with people that will ban me for using the &quot;wrong&quot; pronouns. No.<p>&gt;Diverse leadership and community.<p>&gt;Tech-leaning but open to all.<p>&gt;Highly safety-minded, as most recently evidenced by their Federation Safety Enhancement Project.<p>Reminder: when these people say &quot;safety&quot; they mean safety from ideas and sentiments that challenge them. They do not mean &quot;safety from pedophiles&quot; (fediverse is full of them, including people advocating for children to go to burlesque and drag performances). They do not mean &quot;safety to express ideas without fear of censorship&quot;. They mean &quot;safety from anything that might challenge leftist orthodoxy&quot;.
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