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Robots Are Already Killing People

19 pointsby lantryover 1 year ago

9 comments

foxyvover 1 year ago
I think the news here is that robots are NOT killing people. They seem to be MUCH safer than human involved industrial equipment. Anyone who has worked in a factory probably has a story of their co-worker being sucked into a planer or their skull caved in by a forklift. Not to mention the thousands dying of chronic illnesses. The average life expectancy of welders is 50-60 years. Every welder we replace with a robot is saving 20-30 years of human life.<p>With AI safety features we can only see the gains in human life growing. At least until the robot dogs with needles for teeth start hunting down people who read books or the justice drones start shooting protestors with exploding freedom rockets.
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bell-cotover 1 year ago
&gt; From 1992 to 2017, workplace robots were responsible for 41 recorded deaths in the United States—<p>Vs. if you have any idea of how dangerous <i>non-</i>robot industrial machinery was in the 1820 - 1920 era...41 deaths in 25 years is less than a rounding error.
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Zetobalover 1 year ago
The problem is not robots killing people but robots making the decision to kill or not. Freak accidents like in the article happened with purely mechanical machinery as well.
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blagieover 1 year ago
Seems like no one writing this article noticed the drone war going on in Ukraine right now.<p>I&#x27;m a lot less worried about industrial accidents, and a lot more worried about the path of military accidents. Drones &#x2F;will&#x2F; outpilot human pilots, and AIs &#x2F;will&#x2F; out-strategize humans. That&#x27;s inevitable at this point. Bugs will creep in too, as will cyberattacks.<p>In a war, no one will have time to dive into AI ethics, let alone capacity to apply them.
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ranjithdsmover 1 year ago
The robot operating space should be fenced out or should have a proper collaboration defined.<p>The future is going to be more robots work in parallel to humans and collaborate. Robot manufacturers should ensure the collaboration between robots.
JoeAltmaierover 1 year ago
It&#x27;s inevitable that automation will have it&#x27;s fatalities.<p>We can claim it&#x27;s not robots killing people; it&#x27;s people killing people because they decided to use the robot.<p>That&#x27;s specious. We have something resembling a free market world. Anybody &#x27;deciding&#x27; to not use automation (or AI or whatever) will be outcompeted by folks using the cheaper alternative. The playing field inevitably will become robot and AI dominated.<p>Make all the regulations we want; money will force the issue. As long as they don&#x27;t egregiously slaughter people they will win.<p>Like slavery and indentured servitude before, and removal of indigenous populations, and exploitation of natural resources. The tragedy of the commons or something similar, where you have to join the throng or be outcompeted and your efforts extinguished. Only efficient market competitors can possibly survive.<p>All the rest is philosophy (sophistry?)
1letterunixnameover 1 year ago
Errata: The Grover shoe factory disaster was the impetus for what became BPVC and the mandate of safety features including safety valves and LWCOs. BPVC is a mostly comprehensive engineering code that often needs interpretation reports by professional engineers regarding product design, application, and failure analysis. Almost all safety regulations are written in blood.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grover_Shoe_Factory_disaster" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grover_Shoe_Factory_disaster</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.asme.org&#x2F;codes-standards&#x2F;bpvc-standards" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.asme.org&#x2F;codes-standards&#x2F;bpvc-standards</a>
mindslightover 1 year ago
The standard red herring of form over function - focus on these scary metal things rather than thinking too hard about what&#x27;s directing them. In reality non-metal extrahuman intelligences have been killing humans far longer with their various paperclip maximizing orphan crushing machines.
adtover 1 year ago
Bruce Schneier? How the mighty have fallen.<p>In the US, 16 people were murdered today (by another human).<p>Worldwide, one person is murdered every second, or 1,440 murders per day.<p>Perspective...