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Chrome Feature: IP Protection

39 pointsby judiisisover 1 year ago

16 comments

candiddevmikeover 1 year ago
This seems like it will have the opposite effect: unmask folks trying to use a proxy&#x2F;VPN by having them go through a Chrome proxy first. It&#x27;ll also keep IP data only available to Google for tracking purposes.<p>Probably isn&#x27;t a good time to being doing this and revoking third party cookies while under antitrust investigations.
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ignoramousover 1 year ago
This seems similar to Cloudflare + Apple partnership on <i>Private Relay</i> [0]; except the traffic first goes through Cloudflare before exiting via Apple &#x2F; Akamai servers; whereas in Chrome&#x27;s case, the first hop is Google themselves.<p>Apart from the all the QUIC vpn &#x2F; proxy work Cloudflare et al (standardising <i>Private Relay</i>) are involved in [1][2], the OHAI working group [3] is closing in on its reviews too.<p>Interestingly, there is an active IETF draft for how such private proxies could be built: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;doc&#x2F;draft-iab-privacy-partitioning&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;doc&#x2F;draft-iab-privacy-partition...</a><p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.cloudflare.com&#x2F;icloud-private-relay&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.cloudflare.com&#x2F;icloud-private-relay&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;masque&#x2F;documents&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;masque&#x2F;documents&#x2F;</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;privacypass&#x2F;documents&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;privacypass&#x2F;documents&#x2F;</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;ohai&#x2F;documents&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datatracker.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;ohai&#x2F;documents&#x2F;</a>
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DaiPlusPlusover 1 year ago
&gt; In order to access the proxy a user must be logged in to Chrome. To prevent abuse a Google run authentication server will grant access tokens to the Google run proxy based on a per-user quota.<p>How does this protect user privacy, overall?
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gscottover 1 year ago
As long as Google records your browser history by being logged in I don&#x27;t understand the purpose because it will be avaiable to Government request or by subpoena.
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supriyo-biswasover 1 year ago
Now that this has open the floodgates, where many users would be using a VPN like service shipped by default on the worlds most popular browser, one of two bad things will happen:<p>1. Cloudflare (which is proxying traffic for this feature) is unable to maintain its contact neutral status as governments force it to implement censorship to comply with local laws.<p>2. Governments force browsers to ship a block list of domains, with tampering the browser binaries being prevented by attestation (which has already been proposed in France.)
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ilcover 1 year ago
OMG!<p>&quot;In order to access the proxy a user must be logged in to Chrome. To prevent abuse a Google run authentication server will grant access tokens to the Google run proxy based on a per-user quota.&quot;<p>In order to prevent abuse... we have to give you a tracking token, to use the &quot;Anonymizing&quot; network. One that tracks down to the browser level, across IP switches! Way cool!<p>Nice try Google... we&#x27;ve seen tracking tokens from you enough times. :)
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kylehotchkissover 1 year ago
This sounds like private relay. I love it! Really love the increasing ecosystem around protecting people from their current network. Who knows what airports and coffeeshops are doing with your traffic analytics anyways.
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jsnellover 1 year ago
Something that seems to be missed in the comments is that this is not being pitched as a general purpose VPN for routing all your traffic (or even all your Chrome traffic) through. In particular:<p>&gt; Traffic will be directed to use these proxies based on a third party list of domains.<p>Given the feature is another of the attempts at reducing cross-site tracking surface, it seems like a good guess that what the idea is to apply this specifically for domains used for that.
lxgrover 1 year ago
Oh, I wonder if this is actually the (at least short-term) motivation for Google&#x27;s much-criticized WEI [1] efforts?<p>MASQUE lacking a feedback channel for websites to report spam&#x2F;abuse was explicitly given as a motivation there, as far as I remember.<p>I&#x27;m still skeptical of WEI as a whole until we know more, though.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Web_Environment_Integrity" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Web_Environment_Integrity</a>
dataflowover 1 year ago
&gt; Phase 1 will use a two-hop proxy configuration to create a connection to a destination server first with a tunnel to a Google owned proxy and second to a third-party owned proxy server. The first proxy will never know the client&#x27;s target destination and the second proxy will never know the client&#x27;s IP address.<p>Unless they share the information with each other, which is guaranteed to be impossible... how exactly?
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notatoadover 1 year ago
&gt;Traffic will be directed to use these proxies based on a third party list of domains.<p>this is the interesting bit to me. what is the third-party list of domains? is google going to start masking IPs for traffic to some known-sketchy list of sites?
butzover 1 year ago
Had to double check if they are protecting IP (Internet Protocol <i>address</i>) or IP (Intellectual property) by adding some sort of filtering for copyrighted content right in the browser. In any case - nothing useful.
gmusleraover 1 year ago
Tell us who you are and you will be able to access “anonymously” (wink, wink) those sites that you don’t want to disclose you visit.<p>Maybe IPs deserve more privacy than people.
redox99over 1 year ago
So, it&#x27;s tor but with less hops?
PrimeMcFlyover 1 year ago
Opera already offers this without the need to signin to an account.
7eover 1 year ago
iCloud Private Relay clone, implemented worse (no cryptographic privacy to the first hop, as Private Relay does it, AFAICT). Apple always does it first, and possibly best.
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