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OpenTF is now OpenTofu

438 pointsby zoidbover 1 year ago

36 comments

cube2222over 1 year ago
Hey! Interim tech lead of OpenTofu here.<p>I&#x27;d like to add that as of today (announced just now at OSS Bilbao) we&#x27;re officially part of the Linux Foundation[0]!<p>Hope you like the new name (it basically won the votes anywhere it was proposed) and happy to answer any questions!<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linuxfoundation.org&#x2F;press&#x2F;announcing-opentofu" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linuxfoundation.org&#x2F;press&#x2F;announcing-opentofu</a>
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creatonezover 1 year ago
At the time of posting, this submission links directly to the OpenTofu Github organization, which does not say anything about the name change.<p>Here are some links that are specifically about the name change:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;opentofu&#x2F;opentofu&#x2F;issues&#x2F;296">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;opentofu&#x2F;opentofu&#x2F;issues&#x2F;296</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;20&#x2F;terraform-fork-gets-a-new-name-opentofu-and-joins-linux-foundation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;20&#x2F;terraform-fork-gets-a-new-...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;20&#x2F;terraform_fork_opentf_opentofu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;20&#x2F;terraform_fork_opentf...</a>
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vr46over 1 year ago
This is too woke for the UK government. Terraform is widely used in the Home Office, I don&#x27;t think Suella Braverman will approve a switch...<p>(Reference for non-UK viewers: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;video&#x2F;2022&#x2F;oct&#x2F;18&#x2F;suella-braverman-blames-guardian-reading-tofu-eating-wokerati-for-disruptive-protests-video" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;video&#x2F;2022&#x2F;oct&#x2F;18&#x2F;suell...</a>)
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PebblesHDover 1 year ago
I really like the new name and branding. Very cohesive, easy to pronounce, website looks good (and the benefits of this cannot be overstated). Hopefully the community can grow around it.<p>Well done and good luck keeping up the momentum.
sverhagenover 1 year ago
&gt;We urge HashiCorp to reconsider and switch Terraform back to an open source license, avoiding fragmentation of the community.<p>Hasn&#x27;t that ship sailed? Even if Hashicorp did that, would the community still be willing to mend this breakup, or declare that trust was lost?
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Mashimoover 1 year ago
The link and github does not tell much what OpenTofu is. So I opened the official website. Again very hard to find out what it actually is. Goals and why it was created, and a hundred times that it&#x27;s a fork of another product.<p>But still does not explain what it is or does.<p>I had to open the website of what it was forked from.
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theherkover 1 year ago
I think it is a distinguished name, that will be nice to type and easily recognizable.
totallywrongover 1 year ago
Great initiative, and I&#x27;m sure that with the community&#x27;s stewardship this will become a better tool than TF ever was. Me personally, I&#x27;m happy about the licence change because it pushed me to Pulumi and I&#x27;m absolutely loving it, which I could never say about TF, quite the opposite.
SenHengover 1 year ago
I had originally thought the project to be font related, ie. the Open Type Font. Not saying it’s clearer now but at least it doesn’t remind me of OTF anymore.
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msoadover 1 year ago
Unrelated but cute too: in the Unicode world tofu is when systems can&#x27;t render a character and you get a square (tofu)
ghughesover 1 year ago
Okay, it&#x27;s kinda cute, but it&#x27;s not good.
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totetsuover 1 year ago
I always have the problem when I open tofu that the brine squirts out everywhere. Anyone got a technique to avoid this?
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bshacklettover 1 year ago
It&#x27;s a cute name, but as a consultant, I don&#x27;t think this is going to help me convince technology leaders to adopt this project over Terraform.
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zapsover 1 year ago
Instead of the food my 12 year old mind goes directly to “Open to eff you”
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macca321over 1 year ago
It&#x27;d be very interesting to know Hashi&#x27;s internal strategy around this.<p>- Maybe do nothing, and as long as OpenTofu doesn&#x27;t attempt to extend Terraform they are in not that different a position than pre-MPL.<p>- Add so many features OpenTofu can&#x27;t keep up?<p>- Add some sneaky code to latest versions of hashi providers which makes them not work with unofficial terraform binaries?
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cloudbrewerover 1 year ago
I believe Dave McJannet, HashiCorp&#x27;s CEO, should be concerned. OpenTofu has garnered massive support, with the project gaining admission to the Linux Foundation and even receiving public support from companies like Allianz. Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture characterized by a large workforce that strives to do as little as possible, relying solely on the dedication of a few committed employees, many of whom left the company shortly after the IPO.<p>The pricing &quot;strategy,&quot; the culture of secrecy, subpar commercial and marketing practices, and the company&#x27;s inability to formulate a successful cloud and monetization strategy are all squarely the responsibility of HashiCorp&#x27;s CEO. Merely changing the licensing approach will not resolve the current issues. There is an urgent need for a change in leadership, a more robust embrace of the community, and the addressing of the issue of lazy employees. HashiCorp should also return to its core principles, possibly trimming down its focus areas (Integrity, Kindness, Pragmatism, Humility, Vision, Execution, Communication, etc.).<p>Terraform had the greatest potential for monetization within HashiCorp, but this required innovation and effort. They possessed all the necessary tools, brand recognition, and community support, but instead chose to impede competition, failing to realize that they were harming themselves in the process.<p>OpenTofu has the potential to genuinely enhance Terraform, as changes will be viewed not as aiding competitors but as a shared initiative aimed at improving the entire community and sharing the benefits.
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rrrrgrsover 1 year ago
Its related to fact they are joining linux foundation today as well :)
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hk__2over 1 year ago
This name confuses me as I usually expect things named &quot;OpenFoobar&quot; to be open versions of &quot;Foobar&quot; (see: OpenJDK, OpenTTD), but here that’s not the case.
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asmorover 1 year ago
Oh, it&#x27;s meatless terraform.
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yuppie_scumover 1 year ago
Who eats tofu with a fork?
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bilalqover 1 year ago
What are OpenTofu&#x27;s plans around CDKTF? Will that only work with HashiCorp TF going forward? Or will that be forked as well?<p>Terraform is a better foundational layer than CloudFormation, but CDK is by far the better level of abstraction, I believe. AWS CDK is decent, but it is of course limited to AWS. CDKTF was one of the more interesting initiatives in this space.
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reilly3000over 1 year ago
That there is a pretty brilliant way out of a scary trademark situation. Props to the braintrust that made it so.
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paulddraperover 1 year ago
Thought it was a kinda silly name, but then again....I don&#x27;t blink twice at &quot;Java&quot;
da39a3eeover 1 year ago
The criticism of hashicorp seems childish. Why shouldn&#x27;t they restrict the way in which companies make money from their inventions as they see fit? There&#x27;s a lot of thoughtless entitlement among some of the attitudes being expressed in this debate.
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riccover 1 year ago
It seems the license info is not readily available on the website. I can easily find it in the GitHub repo but not on the website. I think it would be nice to have it clearly visible on the website, too.
psibiover 1 year ago
Is OpenTofu also planning to maintain the language server (terraform-ls) or is that not within the scope ? I was not able to find any language server related repository.
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solarkraftover 1 year ago
Love the branding!<p>I predict that it will be commonly known as &quot;Tofu&quot;, which is a wonderfully snappy name. Almost too good for this kind of project.
minrootover 1 year ago
Slightly disappointed, I felt hungry reading the name
isilofiover 1 year ago
Are there any official statements about the cloud vendors&#x27; support or non-support for OpenTofu?
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xigangxiover 1 year ago
One thing I really miss on the landing page of the website is the &quot;Getting Started&quot;
watwutover 1 year ago
Kind of makes sense, it made OpenTF made me think of OpenTheFuck ... which is not ideal.
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nbittichover 1 year ago
&quot;a soy-based dev product&quot;
yyykover 1 year ago
The new branding is recognizable, cute and short. However, Tofu has a somewhat mixed reputation. I guess OpenTofu can stand on its own though.
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EVa5I7bHFq9mnYKover 1 year ago
As a total outsider, what&#x27;s wrong with &quot;TF&quot;? Doesn&#x27;t a penis picture as a github symbol rather bother anyone?
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brucethemoose2over 1 year ago
I swear this is the exact name of a Minecraft mod, but its either disappeared from the internet or I am hallucinating it.<p>It also makes me think if Fujitsu&#x27;s interconnect for their crazy HPC ARM chips (PDF warning): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fujitsu.com&#x2F;global&#x2F;documents&#x2F;about&#x2F;resources&#x2F;publications&#x2F;fstj&#x2F;archives&#x2F;vol48-3&#x2F;paper05.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fujitsu.com&#x2F;global&#x2F;documents&#x2F;about&#x2F;resources&#x2F;pub...</a>
verdvermover 1 year ago
Well, I guess this is more motivation to leave HCL and anything related to TF... tofu? Poor naming choice imho, searching is going to be a terrible time, wonder how confused the ChatGPTs will get?<p>I&#x27;m allergic to soy and derivatives like tofu, so not liking this name change<p>A CUE powered solution will be much better anyway, go straight to the APIs for definitions, no intermediate, yet still unique, (leaky) abstractions
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