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Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

1667 pointsby isomorphover 1 year ago

93 comments

jjbinx007over 1 year ago
We had a similar problem at work in the late 90s. A member of staff reported that their mouse would stop working between certain hours of the day. It had apparently been okay in the morning, stopped working over lunchtime then started again later.<p>On some days it would work perfectly all day long, but on others it would stop working between those hours.<p>The biggest clue was it would always work perfectly on overcast days, but on sunny days this strange behaviour would manifest again.<p>Turns out the problem was related to the mouse being a cheap mouse. The case had very thin plastic.<p>The mouse was a ball mouse, and it worked by shining an LED into a sensor on each of the X and Y axes. On sunny days the sun would completely overpower the sensor due to the plastic case being very thin and on overcast days it would not. On sunny days the mouse would only work when the sun had moved around the sky to cast a shadow over where the mouse was being used.<p>Perfectly logical but baffling at first.
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dumbfounderover 1 year ago
This is a secondhand anecdote, but it’s pretty funny. Back in the days of server rooms, a friend’s server for his company would reboot every day around 5pm. They checked everything they possibly could with the OS, they would be logged in and running checks on it and it would spontaneously go offline for about 5 minutes and reboot every day. Finally they decided to go stand in the presence of the server around the time it goes down every day. They watched a cleaner come into the room, unplug the server rack, plug in their vacuum and vacuum around the servers, and then plug the server rack back in.
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bell-cotover 1 year ago
This reminds me of a GM minivan that my youngest brother-in-law drove, back in the &#x27;80&#x27;s. He&#x27;d gotten it from his father, who was a career GM automotive engineer - and complained that, occasionally &amp; randomly, it would not start. It seemed like the minivan&#x27;s whole electrical system was dead...<p>Brother-in-law was known to be &quot;not so good&quot; with cars - so his automotive engineer father didn&#x27;t take the complaints seriously.<p>Complaints and emotions escalated, until brother-in-law convinced his dad to swap vehicles for a month, so (he hoped) his dad could experience the problem for himself.<p>After the problem manifested in the parking lot of the GM Technical Center, and the whole crowd of GM engineers surrounding the vehicle couldn&#x27;t figure out why the heck the electrical system seemed to be dead, my brother-in-law felt pretty vindicated.
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hobomaticover 1 year ago
This reminds me of a strange recurring experience I used to have with electronics in my house.<p>In that house,on certain days of the week at midnight, something that sounded like recordings of political speeches from WW2 would be audibly (but faintly so) from all of stationary electronics. It was so faint, that it was usually hard to pinpoint any one source, and the words used weren&#x27;t understandable, so it usually sounded like it was coming from everywhere all at once, and like it was an old recording.<p>This would happen even if they were unplugged. Even if my power went out.<p>I though I was either going crazy, or my house was literally haunted by hitlers ghost.<p>Well one day I was in my car and recognized something on the radio that reminded me of this spooky problem I had.<p>It was the signon of a Catholic am radio station that opened up with Gregorian chanting, and a sermon. This signon happened at the same time on the same days of every week.<p>Turns out, the wiring in that house was somehow functioning as an am radio receiver, and some common components would vibrate out the audio encoded in the radio signal.
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timmorganover 1 year ago
My son&#x27;s laptop screen kept shutting off while he was playing American Truck Simulator. His truck would drive off the road while the screen was black.<p>Every time I played on his laptop, this did not happen. He swore he was cursed.<p>This went on for many days, with many instances where it would happen for him but not for me. Then one day I just sat and observed him while he played, looking for any difference. That&#x27;s when I noticed his watch band is metal with a magnetic clasp. The position of his wrist on the laptop was tripping the hall sensor, making the laptop think the lid was closed.<p>Him and I (and his mother) were glad to find out he is not cursed. :-D
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dylan604over 1 year ago
These are the kinds of stories that made Car Talk so much fun. It was so much more than just hearing about mechanics repairing cars. It was the fact that the situations were so odd and unusual that the stories were interesting. It was also fun hearing how these mechanics had been around so long and seen so many of these unusual situations that they became normal to them. It didn&#x27;t hurt that they were good story tellers
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maweaverover 1 year ago
&gt; Moral of the story: even insane-looking problems are sometimes real.<p>To me the moral of the story (and my experience) is: user&#x27;s problems are usually real, but don&#x27;t trust their ability to diagnose the actual cause.
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LanceHover 1 year ago
My wife&#x27;s car right now is low on windshield wiper fluid. It warns us at a particular spot while we are driving. Not a particular distance from home, a specific geolocation. First thoughts were that it was the amount of time as she went to something and came back. But it does the on screen and audible warning at that location every time, no matter what was driven before that, whether it was 5 minutes, 5 miles, an hour, or 60 miles. The only additional clue is that exact same spot is a dead zone for most phones&#x2F;carriers.<p>We got the wiper fluid filled, so the mystery is in remission, but I&#x27;m wondering if all warnings will pop up right then. I&#x27;m guessing it has something to do with the telemetry of the car being nudged in that spot, waking up and saying something.
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schainksover 1 year ago
One night while in the computer science lab doing a Java assignment, my professor for that class happened to walk by the lab and quipped to me, &quot;oh, good luck on _that_ machine.&quot;<p>He explained: once upon a time, the machine refused to run _any_ Java programs, and would spectacularly crash and burn instead. C++ fine, python fine, anything Java was a hard nope. He didn&#x27;t believe this at first until his program also started crashing the machine.<p>It took a tech, him, and another professor about two weeks to work out that the JVM happened to allocate the same RAM address to the integer 12 on that particular machine every time the JVM started. The actual chip of RAM that contained that hardware address was faulty, so whenever the machine tried to allocate to that address, it would crash.<p>Swapping out the bad RAM stick immediately solved the problem.
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xpeover 1 year ago
This story is a playful example of confounding:<p>&gt; In causal inference, a confounder (also confounding variable, confounding factor, extraneous determinant or lurking variable) is a variable that influences both the dependent variable and independent variable, causing a spurious association. Confounding is a causal concept, and as such, cannot be described in terms of correlations or associations. The existence of confounders is an important quantitative explanation why correlation does not imply causation. Some notations are explicitly designed to identify the existence, possible existence, or non-existence of confounders in causal relationships between elements of a system. &#x2F; Confounds are threats to internal validity.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Confounding" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Confounding</a><p>Here is a sketch of a statistical model that shows a confounder (a variable affecting both the dependent and independent variables)<p><pre><code> S = f(H, I, T) `S`: car starting or not (dependent variable) `H`: how hot is the car engine (independent variable) `I`: ice cream type chosen (independent variable) `T`: time taken to buy the ice cream (a confounder) </code></pre> Explanation: `T` influences `S` because a shorter time leads to `H` (a hotter engine, which is prone to vapor lock). And `T` also influences `I` (type of ice cream chosen) because the placement of vanilla ice cream allows for quicker purchase. Voila, now we have a spurious relationship between `I` and `S`.
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azmarksover 1 year ago
When I moved into my last house, I had a fun electrical problem. We moved in October and I would end the day by taking the trash out. Now, my garbage can was outside the door from my garage to the backyard. One night the light outside that door didn&#x27;t go on. It was late, so I figured I&#x27;d look at it the next day. Worked fine all day, then at night it didn&#x27;t work again. It was a new house, so I called the builder.<p>The electrician came out to check it and gave me the most incredulous look when I told him it didn&#x27;t work at night. But he went to take a look. Came back later and said that the wire was barely touching the light fixture. So, at night, when it go colder it would slightly pull back and no longer be touching. During the day it would warm up, expand and would work just fine.
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tornato7over 1 year ago
I was trying to fix the flaky Bluetooth connectivity on my Subaru. There was one post on the forums that said &quot;Just slam the glove compartment closed really hard.&quot;<p>Knowing that this was bullshit, I tried everything else to no avail. I finally caved and slammed the glove compartment. To my surprise, Bluetooth has been solid ever since...
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QuiDortDineover 1 year ago
Simpler but funny tech support anecdote: at some point, someone called me over and said their keyboard would print the letter &#x27;e&#x27; repeatedly. I tried another keyboard of course, and it still did it! Rebooted the computer, still &#x27;e&#x27;s all over.<p>Finally, I looked at her mouse: it was half of a wireless mouse-keyboard combo. Turns out, the keyboard hadn&#x27;t been turned off before it went in the pile, and other keyboards on top of it were pressing its keys, or rather just the one key.
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MobileVetover 1 year ago
Like all prefunded startups we rented a crappy apt to work out of. Outside of the neighboring fire station which woke us at all hours, everything worked fine.<p>A month into summer, the internet started to die at around 1pm… then magically restore itself in the early evening before the tech would arrive. This went on for a solid week or more.<p>Eventually the provider agreed to send a tech immediately after we called. On first inspection, everything looked good. Thankfully he was diligent and found that an old pin based IC was likely expanding in the heat and every so slightly unseating itself in its socket. Properly seating it and adding some hot glue solved the issue.<p>Never underestimate heat dissipation in product design.
kup0over 1 year ago
This reminds me of the &quot;my monitor blinks every time I sit down in my office chair&quot; turning out to be EMI spikes from the gas lift affecting the signal traveling on monitor cables.<p>A DisplayLink KB article even mentions it (and the associated white paper about the issue), stating:<p><i>Surprisingly, we have also seen this issue connected to gas lift office chairs. When people stand or sit on gas lift chairs, they can generate an EMI spike which is picked up on the video cables, causing a loss of sync. If you have users complaining about displays randomly flickering it could actually be connected to people sitting on gas lift chairs. Again swapping video cables, especially for ones with magnetic ferrite ring on the cable, can eliminate this problem. There is even a white paper about this issue.</i>
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deeloweover 1 year ago
Reminds me of a short book I like that talks about these sort of tings titled &quot;An Engineer&#x27;s Guide to Solving Problems.&quot; It starts with a similar situation - &quot;The Dog Barks When the Phone Rings.&quot; Eventually, you get to a section called “If I Could See it, I Could Fix it!” which discusses the importance of understanding the problem before attempting fixes.
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lotsofpulpover 1 year ago
I find it incredible that not only a family would eat ice cream every, but that they would travel to get it everyday instead of just having it on hand in the house.
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rhuruover 1 year ago
This reminds me of my village story. Two brothers married and lived next to each other. The wives hated each other and competed on everything. If brother 1 got something brother 2 had to buy the same thing but bigger.<p>Over time they ended up building homes in this manner too and one of the brothers purchases the largest available plastic watertant on roof. Offended the other brother decided that he will build even bigger water tank. So they built a massive concrete water taken on the roof.<p>However the problem with this tank was that it would simply not retain the water which was pumped into it via a small motor pump which pulled the water from nearby well.<p>This resulted into the brother accusing the brother of &quot;black magic&quot; and engaging in daily fist fights and abuse.<p>Eventually someone figured out that the person who connected the intake pipe connected it at the bottom of the tank. So wehn the tank was full the water would simply go back to the well.
tboerstadover 1 year ago
I was debugging a Heisenbug once, developing embedded FW for a mobile phone.<p>After some time, I noticed that the phone seemingly only crashed in one area of the open office floorplan where I was working.<p>I started walking around the office testing this theory, not really believing it. But after a while, I had hard evidence that the bug would only manifest once I entered that part of the office.<p>When I came to terms that I wasn’t hallucinating, I realised what the problem was. There was poor reception in that part of the office, causing the phone’s modem to switch from 4G wideband to narrowband (glossing over details here), which triggered the bug.<p>Easy to see with hindsight, but I was very confused there and then
shaklee3over 1 year ago
We had a problem like this too at a satellite company. A customer claimed their service was cutting out every day between 3-4pm. There were no service outages, and it only seemed to affect them, but we did see their modem drop consistently each day. Turned out it was a very low elevation location to where the dish was virtually horizontal. They received UPS packages almost daily around that time, and the truck was blocking the signal long enough to lose service momentarily.
huehehueover 1 year ago
Oh man, I&#x27;m currently fighting a problem with a mid-70s coupe that&#x27;s driving me equally batty.<p>Randomly during longer trips, the car will just die for no discernible reason. It&#x27;s the Car of Theseus at this point with how much I&#x27;ve replaced, but the issue persists, and the nature of these intermittent problems makes debugging a nightmare. More puzzling still that the car starts up fine after a short nap.
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tornato7over 1 year ago
I can&#x27;t vouch for the veracity of this story, but an older engineer who worked on a particle accelerator once told me this story from the 1980s:<p>The particle accelerator would start overheating every day right after lunch time. They eventually figured out that enough people were using the bathroom after lunch that it was affecting the water pressure in the cooling system!<p>I&#x27;m not very good at retelling stories.
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tysam_andover 1 year ago
Is this the new 500 mile story (or the second-place replacement?)<p>I don&#x27;t know whether this is true or not, but either way: incredible. Love this, and love the company for actually sending someone on company time (!??!?!?!?) to check it out. &lt;3 :&#x27;))))
rsynnottover 1 year ago
&gt; Vanilla, being the most popular flavor, was in a separate case at the front of the store for quick pickup.<p>This feels very contrived; who organises a supermarket like that? &quot;Where&#x27;s the ice-cream?&quot; &quot;Which flavour? We keep them separately, to make an anecdote work.&quot;<p>(Like, the moral of the story still works, but the specifics feel very dubious...)
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demondemidiover 1 year ago
Fabricated anecdotes like this miss the point: debug is a multi-layer approach, not a think-it-through logic puzzle. In reality, the driver would have encountered vapor lock in multiple situations, not just shopping, and as a result I think this example does more damage than good by promoting a furrowed-brow approach.
yosserover 1 year ago
So this guy never ever restarted his car after a short interval except for when he bought vanilla ice cream? Additionally, he never varied the time intervals in the shop when he was buying aforementioned ice cream?<p>Is it is an understatement to suggest this is a highly unlikely circumstance?
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zabilover 1 year ago
A few years back, I had the opportunity to work on a project in rural India. Our team was responsible for creating a new patient booking system for a community hospital. We designed a web-based application that could be accessed through the hospital&#x27;s intranet.<p>Everything seemed to be going well, but then we hit a snag. Our server began restarting unexpectedly at random intervals throughout the day. Initially, we were baffled. We assumed that the application was crashing because it could not handle the load, and we spent hours digging through code and logs.<p>But the real culprit turned out to be something entirely different. The server was located next to a storage cabinet, and its power supply line was inconveniently blocking the cabinet&#x27;s door. Whenever the nurses needed to access the cabinet, they would simply unplug the server, get what they needed, and then plug it back in, oblivious to the chaos it caused in the system.<p>It taught us the importance of considering all variables, even the human ones, when troubleshooting technical issues. And so, we moved the server, cleared the path to the storage cabinet, and things were back to normal :)
MarkusWandelover 1 year ago
Someone in my extended family had a Toyota Highlander which would randomly decide &quot;you don&#x27;t need window defog today&quot;, leading to a near inability to drive the car if fogging was an issue. The dealer didn&#x27;t believe him until one day it actually happened while they were watching. They had no idea what to do or how to fix it. Solution: Trade the thing in against a Honda Passport. He&#x27;s had that for quite a while now and I haven&#x27;t heard any complaints.<p>On the other hand, my previous Honda Civic with its dual voltage electric system (computer thinks the battery needs charging? Generate 14.4V. Computer thinks it doesn&#x27;t? Generate 12.6V) caused us considerable grief until we just started driving around with the headlight switch on all the time (this forced it into the higher charging voltage). This &quot;feature&quot; is not well known&#x2F;understood even by mechanics and has probably caused untold numbers of alternator replacements.<p>Current Civic is so automated that even the headlight on and high&#x2F;low beam is under the computer&#x27;s control. Hopefully no weird chronic computer bugs in this one.
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ohthehugemanateover 1 year ago
I had a single user whose machine would have intermittent disconnections while compiling his codebase. Not every time, but some of the time and every day, at that. This was back in the day when compiling the linux kernel was a 1hr+ task.<p>The key piece of evidence was when we moved a printer into his office, and it had the same disconnects, at the same times. Every day around midday. Not one disconnection, mind you - starting at about 11 the disconnects would get more and more frequent. From noon to one it was every few minutes. In the afternoon and evening it was just fine. It just so happened that the engineer would work in the morning, and his first compiles if the day were around that time. So, compiles were a red herring.<p>In the end the problem was the kitchen one floor down from his office, where a microwave was heating up peoples&#x27; lunches and causing enough EMI to disrupt (in those days rather brittle) wifi. We bought them a new microwave, and the disconnects stopped.
SleekEagleover 1 year ago
This reminds me of the case of the 500 mile email:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ibiblio.org&#x2F;harris&#x2F;500milemail.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ibiblio.org&#x2F;harris&#x2F;500milemail.html</a>
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alargemooseover 1 year ago
I have one of these to share. My first job out of college the office had an issue where at ~3pm every day, the network would go down for a minute or two, then be slow for a while after coming back up. This as a digital marketing company, so lots of file&#x2F;image&#x2F;video uploads happening all the time. We ultimately determined it was the router hitting max load, crashing then rebooting and having to manage all the pending uploads. From everyone realizing it was getting close to the end of the day, and making sure their video uploads were started. The company had grown a lot in the last year, but was still using a home grade router&#x2F;wap combo. I replaced it with a UniFi AP and an UniFi edgerouter. And the problem went away!
gnicholasover 1 year ago
My DSL internet would get incredibly slow at certain hours of the day when web traffic would be expected to be heavy (evening, as people are getting home, and around 10, as people are watching Netflix). AT&amp;T refused to believe that the cause was congestion. No no, they said, it must be that there&#x27;s a sprinkler that&#x27;s going on at the same time each day, or a microwave that was causing a problem with your internet. Eventually they sent someone out and discovered that it was, in fact, a congested circuit that I was on. I couldn&#x27;t believe they were so steadfast in claiming that it was some crazy-sounding external cause.
jplonaover 1 year ago
This was a puzzler on Car Talk at least once. There are more like it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cartalk.com&#x2F;radio&#x2F;puzzler" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cartalk.com&#x2F;radio&#x2F;puzzler</a>
dangover 1 year ago
One past thread. Others?<p><i>Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13347852">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13347852</a> - Jan 2017 (133 comments)
Dork1234over 1 year ago
Since 2000 we they have publicly disclosed Janet Jackson crashing harddrives:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.billboard.com&#x2F;music&#x2F;pop&#x2F;janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-crashes-old-laptops-1235130134&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.billboard.com&#x2F;music&#x2F;pop&#x2F;janet-jackson-rhythm-nat...</a><p>and moving a controller crashes the PS1.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gamedeveloper.com&#x2F;programming&#x2F;my-hardest-bug-ever" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gamedeveloper.com&#x2F;programming&#x2F;my-hardest-bug-eve...</a><p>Makes me thinks there are tons of these issues out there.
vishnuguptaover 1 year ago
After 500 miles email story y&#x27;day now this.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.mit.edu&#x2F;jemorris&#x2F;humor&#x2F;500-miles" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.mit.edu&#x2F;jemorris&#x2F;humor&#x2F;500-miles</a>
_drimzyover 1 year ago
Ah, reminds of my first car. I got a new Corolla and went on my merry way. But on the third day I found the steering stuck and extremely hard to maneuver. Scared the heck out of me, so I went back to the dealership. They inspected the car and informed me the next day that there was nothing wrong with it and asked me to pick it up. I drive out of the parking lot, and again the steering gets stuck, and I just circle around and give them the car back, showing the live problem. They inspect it another day, and aren&#x27;t able to find anything wrong, and ask me to pick it back up. Sure enough, I haven&#x27;t even gotten to my home yet and the problem reappears, so I drive it back to the dealership. This time they open up the car, the steering wheel and changed somethings in it and asked me to pick the car back up. Took me 4 mins of driving to land back in the same problem after which I made them refund my money.<p>I decided to shelve a few extra bucks and purchased a Camry from the same dealership. The second day while I was parking my new Camry, I found the same issue of the steering wheel getting stuck all over again, with this new car. So this was surely a me-problem, and not the car problem. After some analysis I relaized that I was turning off the car at red lights, without shifting to park. So when I turned it back on, the steering would lock itself. But if I shifted to park first then it would work perfectly!
ot1138over 1 year ago
I intentionally caused a problem like this for a co-worker in 1996.<p>He was a flamboyant character and had a habit of talking loudly on the phone for an hour or so a day. I modified his mouse driver to give me remote control on demand and installed it when he was away from his computer.<p>For the next few weeks, I would wait for his daily call and gradually move his mouse as he was trying to use his computer. He was visibly frustrated and eventually caught me when he went on a rampage during his conversation and he caught me laughing.
jansanover 1 year ago
When I was a student of mechanical engineering many years ago I was very lucky to do an internship at a major car supplier in Japan. We did the engine application for a car on the Chinese market and being unexperienced as I was, I was more of a burden than help to the engineer who I was assigned to.<p>However, when driving around with our test car, from time to time the engine stalled, or stalled an restarted. This seemed to appear randomly, and since the engineer was busy with doing the engine application, he asked me if I could try to take care of the issue.<p>I noticed that the problem occured only during rain, then I noticed that it only occured when the windscreen wiper was set to interval. With some help from engineers from the main office, I was able to find the relais controlling the interval mode for the windscreen wiper as the root cause. I was sending voltage spikes into the cable tree, causing a reset in the central control unit. A decision was made to change the supplier for the relais (this was not supplied by our company), and the problem disappeared and never occured again. Everybody was happy and I felt really proud that I was actually able to contribute to the success of the project.
SonicSoulover 1 year ago
<i>engineer, being a logical man, refused to believe that this man&#x27;s car was allergic to vanilla ice cream. He arranged, therefore, to continue his visits for as long as it took to solve the problem.</i><p>the moral of this story, the engineer being a logical man refused to try reproducing the problem and devoted infinite time to watching the user shop every night. that way he gets paid to hang and eat ice cream
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mulhoonover 1 year ago
There&#x27;s a whole collection of Software Folklore over here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beza1e1.tuxen.de&#x2F;lore&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beza1e1.tuxen.de&#x2F;lore&#x2F;</a><p>Relevant thread: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23005140">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23005140</a>
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14over 1 year ago
What is most incredible about this story is that the president heard about the story himself and that an engineer was sent to investigate. Now days if a car has problems under warranty it is often assumed the driver is at fault and of course problems never happen when you are showing the mechanic.
taneqover 1 year ago
A couple of weeks ago I got back from a remote site, the only diagnostic info we had beforehand for one of the issues was that the mobile equipment would trip out with a CANbus error. The operator would isolate the equipment, then it&#x27;d come good. I was struggling to find the software fault since, if a simple off-and-on-again fixed it, clearly it was a software problem.<p>I got to site and found a loose connector on an IO module under the operator&#x27;s movable arm rest. It was the connector that carried the CAN comms. I plugged it in. No more dramas.<p>I can only surmise that the process of them slamming the arm rest up, tromping down the stairs, flicking the isolator off and on, tromping back up the stairs, and slamming the armrest down was enough to re-seat the loose connection temporarily.
NoZebra120vClipover 1 year ago
I lived in N. California in 1996, and I had an impressive 486DX66 tower machine. That summer, I would go to work during the day, and my girlfriend would use the computer as much as she liked. I&#x27;d use it at night and on weekends.<p>She began to complain that it was locking up. It happened to her over and over, but not to me, so I wasn&#x27;t sure why.<p>One day I had occasion to remove the case and look inside. The CPU fan had become dislodged, and would spin uselessly without cooling down the fast 486.<p>I owed an apology to my girlfriend. Many years later, I was able to apply this elementary knowledge to help out my father, whose notebook always locked up. He put it on a cooling pad, which was enough to allow the vents to work, even without running those external fans.
joeigover 1 year ago
This reminds me of a problem I had a few years ago. Whenever I sat down on my office chair, my monitor turned black for a few seconds.<p>One day I started to understand what’s happening when I touched the aluminum Apple keyboard while being electrically charged. I was wondering how it was possible to get an electric shock since my Mac Mini had no connection to ground via its IEC-60320 C7&#x2F;C8 connector. I learned that the Mac Mini grounds itself via DVI.<p>Turned out the pressure cylinder of the chair caused some kind of electromagnetic pulse, which interfered with the DVI signal and forced the monitor to resync every time I sat down.
slurpee2over 1 year ago
not related to cars but how improbable news can be true : Martha Mitchell effect <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Martha_Mitchell_effect" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Martha_Mitchell_effect</a>
CamperBob2over 1 year ago
Yeah, that isn&#x27;t how this works. Popular things are closer to the back of the grocery store -- milk, eggs, meat, produce, higher-volume soft drinks -- in order to force you to walk past everything else to reach them.<p>Ice cream is not that popular, so it could reasonably be stocked near the front of the store. But all the flavors are stored together, as you&#x27;d expect.<p>Engineers who make house calls are also not a thing in Detroit. You <i>might</i> see that happen in Japan, where airline CEOs have been known to make pilgrimages to call on the families of crash victims. But I&#x27;d be (pleasantly) surprised if the car companies have ever done anything like that.
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bluesmoonover 1 year ago
Reminds me of the 500 mile email (2002): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ibiblio.org&#x2F;harris&#x2F;500milemail.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ibiblio.org&#x2F;harris&#x2F;500milemail.html</a>
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hk__2over 1 year ago
This is a urban legend: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;fact-check&#x2F;cone-of-silence&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;fact-check&#x2F;cone-of-silence&#x2F;</a>
NotYourLawyerover 1 year ago
The president of Pontiac got involved? An engineer spent multiple days on the problem?<p>X doubt
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shireboyover 1 year ago
I miss Car Talk with &quot;Click and Clack the Tappit Brothers&quot;. Not sure if this was on the show, but seems like it could have been. Definitely check it out if you enjoyed this anecdote.
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mike_ivanovover 1 year ago
Hold my beer. I once had a fairly large CRT monitor which most of the time worked fine, but sometimes would show a warped, distorted image. After a while I noticed that warping was happening only on rainy days. I opened the case and discovered gooey stuff smelling cat urine on the monitor&#x27;s electronics. Washing it with pure alcohol solved the problem. I have no idea what was going on there, but I consider my cat was an extremely lucky dude as I almost never turned that monitor completely off.
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doodpantsover 1 year ago
&gt; Vanilla, being the most popular flavor, was in a separate case at the front of the store for quick pickup.<p>Vanilla is the most popular flavor? That makes me skeptical of the whole story. ;-)
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ctenbover 1 year ago
Why did the car only fail to start in front of the ice cream shop? Surely there are more occasions where you turn off the engine and turn it back on again within a short time?
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shadowgovtover 1 year ago
I currently have a Raspberry Pi that consistently loses its network stack at some point in the early morning.<p>The likeliest correlation is that I have the Pi dump backups at that time, and it may be crashing the network stack due to unexpected hardware output because running a hard drive and the internal wifi simultaneously under-volts the system. But it sure does look like it just gets visited by demons in the pre-twilight hours.
dghughesover 1 year ago
I had a Dodge truck with a similar problem but it was never resolved. If I went to an ATM or convenience store on a muggy day when I left my truck transmission stuck in 1st gear. It was obviously the short time stopped and start up again but no clue why. The dealership looked a few times even taking it for a drive with a test tool but nothing happened. It did it until I sold the truck for about 17 years.
teddyhover 1 year ago
We’re doing straight up urban legends now? Flagged.
dclowd9901over 1 year ago
I have an 83 Land Cruiser and knew immediately what the problem must have been related to from the outset. It actually has a fan that will kick on when the engine is turned off and the car parked to blow on the carburetor and cool it off.<p>Incidentally, I still don&#x27;t believe a word of this story (at least as it&#x27;s told here). The short delta of time difference between walking _further_ into and out of a store would not have enough impact on the cooling of the engine to make a such a substantial difference as to it starting or not. It simply will not bleed off that much more heat unless this store is a mile long and it&#x27;s an additional 20 minutes to get a different flavor.<p>The only reason I express the doubt over it is because it makes the story a contrivance, which makes it pointless. If the person&#x27;s different activities _actually_ resulted in a significant difference of time the car has been sitting, it&#x27;s likely the owner themselves would be able to easily deduce what could really be the issue. By pretending the issue introduces some very small delta of time, it arbitrarily masks the true cause (which is the entire point of the story).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;fact-check&#x2F;cone-of-silence&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;fact-check&#x2F;cone-of-silence&#x2F;</a>
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bandyabootover 1 year ago
Engineer’s notes: (resolution) recommended customer park at back of lot and purchases ice cream in larger quantities.
artur_maklyover 1 year ago
reminds me of this classic : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Jokes&#x2F;comments&#x2F;a26tzt&#x2F;four_engineers_get_into_a_car_the_car_wont_start&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Jokes&#x2F;comments&#x2F;a26tzt&#x2F;four_engineer...</a>
killjoywashereover 1 year ago
Late to the party, but wikipedia article for the root cause analysis when someone accidentally stumbles on this thread in 7 years:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vapor_lock" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vapor_lock</a>
r0m4n0over 1 year ago
I’ll add to the crazy anecdotes with something that happened to me a few months ago.<p>I had a brand new AC&#x2F;heater hvac system installed last year. Encountered this problem, the AC would just turn off. First time, called the AC company and they come out. After a few visits, they pinpoint the problem as the condensation pump, it’s just a small water pump that’s down in my basement to push water out a little PVC pipe. When the water fills up in the reservoir, a pump kicks on and moves water. If the water gets too full, a sensor turns the AC off. After the rd visit they decide that “the grade isn’t gradual enough and the pump turns off”. They replace the pvc. Fourth attempt they replace the pump, pump must have failed. Fifth visit, they replace the pump with a different brand. Sixth visit they disconnect the automatic shutoff of the AC, my basement floods with water. Seventh call they change the pvc pipe again. Eighth call they are baffled, say everything is working as it should, give it time.<p>After they leave, my wife goes “whenever I turn the basement light on, I hear a weird noise”. I immediately turn the switch off and walk down into the basement and test the outlet. The light oddly enough controls a random outlet the pump was connected to. Every time a tech came over, they turned the switch on.<p>I still wonder how many more phone calls it would have taken before they figured it out.
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cmorrow415over 1 year ago
I used to have wireless infrared headphones. Sometimes, the audio would go crazy, but only in a certain area of my office. As it turns out, the IR blaster on my TV was interfering with the signals. It was really interesting to hear the clicks of data being sent over IR, though.
biermicover 1 year ago
And Iphones are allergic to Helium <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ifixit.com&#x2F;News&#x2F;11986&#x2F;iphones-are-allergic-to-helium" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ifixit.com&#x2F;News&#x2F;11986&#x2F;iphones-are-allergic-to-he...</a>
aaronaxover 1 year ago
How about a bunch of iPhones in a medical facility being disabled because of some amount of helium being leaked when they were charging the MRI machine?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18340693">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18340693</a>
NamTafover 1 year ago
My parents have an early &#x27;50s MG, which they rarely drive. For most of my adult life, I&#x27;ve lived about an hour away from them so I&#x27;d sometimes take it out if I was there. Needless to say, it had a never-ending list of quirks due to being so old and also rarely being driven, but it&#x27;s a lovely old car all the same.<p>One day, I dropped by to say hi, but they were both out. I decided instead to take the car for a spin around the local beachfront to give it a turn over. A few minutes into the drive, I started to lose engine power, so I pulled over. The engine then completely died on me, so I let it sit for a moment before trying to kick it over again.<p>The fuel pump is such that when you first turn the key to power the accessories, you hear it go tickticktick tick tick.. tick... tick...... - the ticks slow as the pump builds up fuel pressure. It&#x27;s a good audio cue as to when you can then turn it to ignition and kick the engine over. In this case though, the ticking wasn&#x27;t slowing - just the same tickticktickticktick. I tried to kick it over several times, but no matter which deity I invoked, no luck.<p>Empty fuel tank then. I checked the fuel level (walk to the tank on the back and poke a special bit of wood in to see how full it is) but lo and behold, plenty there. So I let it sit for a few minutes more and try again, hoping it may be to do with a flooded carburetor after my several attempts to restart it. The same: tickticktickticktick.<p>I gave Dad a call, describe the problem, tell him what I&#x27;d done to solve it and that I&#x27;d concluded the fuel pump must be cactus. I asked if he was going to be home soon to come give me a tow home. At this point, I learnt that he was some hours away and Mum was overseas, so no luck there. As I&#x27;m mentally preparing to push the car home for over an hour, he interrupts - &quot;open the bonnet, grab the spanner out of the toolbox there and give the pump several hard whacks&quot;.<p>&quot;...what?&quot;<p>&quot;Beat the bejeezus out of the fuel pump a few times.&quot;<p>So I did, and I turned back on the accessories. Ticktickticktick ticktick tick tick... tick.... tick.......<p>Dad then explains that this problem&#x27;s been around for decades. Very occasionally, a bubble of air will end up in the fuel feed line. It then blocks the pump, which can&#x27;t clear it, but a bit of suitably percussive maintenance consistently dislodges it and the pump can draw fuel in again.<p>As they say, old cars definitely have character, and I think that comes about largely because people can understand, fault-find and fix these sorts of analogue issues that arise. New cars are much more reliable and don&#x27;t face nearly as many random faults, but those that do happen are almost impossible for Joe Public to resolve on the side of the road.
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euroderfover 1 year ago
Another classic: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;users.cs.utah.edu&#x2F;~elb&#x2F;folklore&#x2F;magic.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;users.cs.utah.edu&#x2F;~elb&#x2F;folklore&#x2F;magic.html</a><p>Disclaimer: I worked for a startup named after this bit of folklore.
rafaquintanilhaover 1 year ago
Funny thing the first time I heard this anecdote was by a priest (he was formerly an electrical engineer). The conclusion was similar: how many times a seemingly illogical issue has a very logic explanation (even if it looks illogical to you at first).
FrustratedMonkyover 1 year ago
As an old engineer. Stories like this are great to teach new engineers never to ignore information. Take in all the crazy information people say, or things they think are happening. It is all valuable.
janc_over 1 year ago
Reminds me of that bug where people couldn&#x27;t print on tuesdays....<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8171956">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8171956</a>
Lolaccountover 1 year ago
For some nostalgia, go to the root ...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;~wkw&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;~wkw&#x2F;</a><p>Took me straight back to University ...
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naikrovekover 1 year ago
this story has ALL of the hallmarks of an 80th+ generation tale, changed significantly in most generations.<p>The President&#x2F;CEO would not have been given this to decide on, for one thing.<p>... if it were possible to <i>prove</i> that some event like this never happened, I&#x27;d put money on it.<p>my father would have eaten this story up and would have &quot;improved&quot; the tale, and then written it down for others, who would have all done the same.
elzbardicoover 1 year ago
Well, I believe that we won&#x27;t have funny customer support histories like that from our age to post 40 years from now. At least not from google et caterva.
dwighttkover 1 year ago
How was that car the only one to have vapor lock?<p>How was that the only occasion he tried to start his car that quickly after shutting it down?<p>Why did the family always buy ice cream by itself?
ReactiveJellyover 1 year ago
Appreciate it, I&#x27;d been looking passively for this story for a year or two. I thought I heard it as a Car Talk puzzler, but it was probably this page.
c7DJTLrnover 1 year ago
Can you imagine an engineer turning up to your house to solve a problem with your car these days? Manufacturers now would just tell you to buy a new one.
hi41over 1 year ago
Is this story trustworthy worthy? I see it is from cmu.edu which is great but it is under the humour directory. Just wanted to make sure.
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WhitneyLandover 1 year ago
The fact that as more ice cream is eaten more people tend to drown, can be useful in discussing how correlation is different than cause.
azinman2over 1 year ago
The most incredible part is that you could write a letter to an auto manufacturer and they would send an engineer to your home.
ganarajprover 1 year ago
The story is like one from a Sherlock Holmes novel. Quite fascinating :)
raajgover 1 year ago
Have you noticed that in the last few months, Github goes down every Tuesday?
MaikaDiHaikaover 1 year ago
What&#x27;s an interesting story, but hey, he also got free ice cream.
lisperover 1 year ago
I call shenanigans. There is no way this not an apocryphal story. There is no way anyone could not have realized that it was the time spent in the store and not the flavor of ice cream that was the relevant aspect of the story.
andsoitisover 1 year ago
Debugging is an under appreciated art&#x2F;skill.
The28thDuckover 1 year ago
What genre of story is this? I love these tales.
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kamel3dover 1 year ago
Why they have those posts as text file?
soorya3over 1 year ago
This is a good interview question.
lloekiover 1 year ago
A decade and a half ago (or maybe two?), I was working at a software service shop. This shop has been in charge of support of a built-to-order native Win32 application (in Visual Basic or Delphi or something like that) initially developed by another previous company that had long disappeared.<p>One day a coworker got a support call from a user. Far from mythical outbursts of irate customers, an understandable the voice at the other end of the line remained extremely calm and eager to help resolving the issue, although you could feel a gleam of despair in the back of her voice.<p>The woman at the other end of the line had to input troves of data daily in a specific form in the application, basically taking a stack of whatever field-ridden paper forms they received and entering them into the system via the equivalent digital form manually.<p>She was adamant that every time she attempted to input a specific, optional date the form would close on its own, losing all of the input data. To make matters worse the specific date was the last one to be entered, thus all the already-repetitive hard work of inputting an entire form was getting even more annoying.<p>To make matters even more complicated, she was working part-time, in rotation with another person covering for days she was off. The other person never encountered the problem!<p>So their solution for years had been that the woman who was reaching out to our support would input everything but the affected date field, save but not validate the form, and place the paper form in a special basket; the second person would then go through the paper stack again and fill the missing dates.<p>They would go to the extent of telling people who submitted the form that the affected date would lengthen the form processing by a few days. Somehow this flied quite well as people would understand that this was a case where the date would imply more work (as in, <i>actual</i> work, e.g cross-checking more stuff or more internal paperwork or whatever) on our customer&#x27;s side.<p>In any case, this solution would stop working soon as the woman was going to go full time again and the other person in rotation would move to do something else. The customer had put up with this for an absurdly long time but now they were painted into a corner so they were left with hardly any option but to reach out for support.<p>We couldn&#x27;t hardly believe this was happening, but the person was very articulate and came up with a quite complete description of the situation that in most support cases you only dream of having. So my coworker dove into the code base, which was not ours and only received the occasional bug fix or small development to keep the software compliant. He could not find anything in the code, he could not reproduce anything locally, the date field - of any of the other fields for that matter - looked like any other standard field, but there must have been <i>something</i>.<p>Confounded, the only thing we could think of was that it only happened on the user machine somehow. He asked to remotely connect and try it on the user&#x27;s machine. No dice. He asked for the person to do it, anxiously watching as the user cautiously moved the pointer towards the date field when suddenly the form vanished! He went at it again and did the exact same thing, down to when things are clicked or typed and whatnot, but nope! But the user could still reliably reproduce it, over and over again.<p>Could it be that doing things through a remote connection affect the ability to reproduce? Out of options, he asked for the other person - which likely was at the office that day - that used to input the form to come over and input the same thing directly, watching the screen as fields filled up. It looked _exactly_ the same as when the usual user was doing it, but <i>it worked</i>.<p>We now could not see any other option but to move the investigation on site. Two people were tasked to that end to cover all possible grounds and brainstorm on the spot.<p>Arriving on site, they were greeted by this very amenable woman affected by the bug. They entered a small, poorly lit office, one taking a seat next to the user and the other standing due to the lack of space, and watched the user as she powered up an absurdly small, overaged CRT screen, then booted the ancient PC. As the user started typing on the $5 keyboard, moved the creaky mouse around they could not help but feel compassion as they saw the daily stack of paper forms that had to be entered every day, all day long, using such poor equipment and inhumane conditions when the customer company was throwing seemingly endless and voluminous amounts of money at our employer.<p>Focusing on the actions on the screen, the team member leading the investigation went through all stages of bewilderment and despair as the user arched forward to aim at the impossibly tiny date field on that tiny old screen, and just like that, the window vanished. His mind helplessly racing, in the stillness of the moment a voice raised up from behind:<p><pre><code> &quot;Can you do it again?&quot; </code></pre> Said the one standing up.<p>So, with unabated calmness only zen masters can achieve, she nodded, proceeded with moves repeated a million times over, and the window closed again.<p><pre><code> &quot;Yup, I got it&quot;. </code></pre> You see, one of the requirements for this digital form was to match the paper form in layout <i>and wholly fit in the screen</i>. To achieve that, the font size and UI element dimensions were dialled down. On the user&#x27;s small, poor, aging screen in a badly lit environment and with an impossibly bad mouse this made UI elements spectacularly hard to interact with, especially the date picker drop down. So when reaching to that specific optional date picker in a specific place of the screen the user had to lurch forward a bit to take a good look <i>and</i> lurch a little bit further and to the right to extend the arm to mover the pointer over there and click to make the date picker appear. As it turns out the affected user was a bit overweight and with this very movement her - <i>ahem</i> - &quot;sizeable&quot; right breast ever so slightly brushed against a key on the right side of the old, mushy keyboard, in a way that made it register a keypress without any audible or haptic feedback. That keypress - which I can&#x27;t recall which it is - turned out to be what closed the form.<p>We could have patched the software to prevent that from happening. We didn&#x27;t. Instead a report was produced that in no uncertain terms - but not pointing at the <i>actual</i> mechanical details - a combination of hardware and poor, non-ergonomic work environment was identified as the root cause; and not just that, but through small talk it was learned that the reason she was working part time was medical and largely caused by these terrible work conditions, so we added a note &quot;as a courtesy&quot; they could maybe end up being liable for any health issue that would &quot;hypothetically&quot; come up buy working in such environments. She got a new computer and display, a proper keyboard an mouse, a better desk and chair, and, I seem to recall, an additional light. The customer complied, reported the issue as fixed, and as far as we know the issue never occurred again.
John_Wilkinsover 1 year ago
Ah, gather &#x27;round, me dear friends, and let ol&#x27; Uncle Colm regale ye with a software engineering tale that&#x27;ll have ye chucklin&#x27; and admirin&#x27; the wonders of technology!<p>&#x27;Twas back in the early days of the internet, when dial-up connections ruled the land and floppy disks were the height of data storage. I found meself workin&#x27; as a young software engineer for a company that aimed to revolutionize the way folks communicated. They called it &quot;email.&quot;<p>Now, ye might think email&#x27;s as commonplace as a pot of tea these days, but back then, it was like magic. Me team and I were tasked with creatin&#x27; the very first email client for personal computers. We had grand ideas, but, oh, the challenges we faced!<p>Our office was a chaotic mix of wires, half-eaten sandwiches, and programmers hunched over their keyboards, with cups of strong coffee never more than arm&#x27;s reach away. We&#x27;d spend hours debuggin&#x27;, tweakin&#x27;, and scratchin&#x27; our heads, tryin&#x27; to make sense of the code.<p>But there was one particularly ornery bug that had us stumped. Every time a user sent an email, a gremlin in the system would gobble it up, and it never reached the recipient. We dubbed this foul creature the &quot;Email Bandit.&quot;<p>We tried every trick in the book, but the Email Bandit remained elusive. The boss was near despair, and me colleagues were ready to throw in the towel. But ye see, I had a plan. A plan so bold, it was downright cheeky.<p>I reckoned that if the Email Bandit was stealin&#x27; our precious messages, maybe he had a hankerin&#x27; for a particular type of email. So, I composed a message that read, &quot;Dear Email Bandit, we&#x27;ve got a special treat for you. Please don&#x27;t eat this one.&quot;<p>We sent that message out into the digital wilds, and we waited. Lo and behold, within minutes, the Email Bandit struck! He gobbled up the message and vanished into the ether.<p>Now, remember, we engineers are a clever bunch. We&#x27;d embedded a little tracker in that email, and it led us straight to the Email Bandit&#x27;s hideout – a rogue line of code that no one had noticed before.<p>With the Bandit cornered, we rewrote that line, patched up our software, and celebrated like we&#x27;d won the lottery. From that day on, our email client worked like a charm, and we&#x27;d slain the Email Bandit once and for all.<p>So, me friends, never underestimate the power of a bit of creativity and a dash of cheekiness when it comes to solvin&#x27; software engineering conundrums. And remember the tale of the Email Bandit, a reminder that sometimes, the most elusive problems have the simplest solutions, hidden in plain sight. Sláinte to the world of software engineering!
cbm-vic-20over 1 year ago
See also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1172&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1172&#x2F;</a>
going_to_workover 1 year ago
Honestly, you would have to be pretty stupid to take this at face value.<p>I immediately went to time, location, etc.
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husamiaover 1 year ago
common sense in hind sight helps
PhasmaFelisover 1 year ago
I read a story about a university IT guy with a professor complaining that he couldn&#x27;t access any websites hosted more than 100 miles away. (Or thereabouts, I forget the exact numbers.) Which is obviously nonsense; computers don&#x27;t know &quot;miles&quot;, only network relays.<p>Long story short, an idle timeout variable had been set to 0 milliseconds, so any connection that took 1+ ms failed, so you could only connect to systems within 0.5 light-milliseconds of the university, which is about 100 miles.
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