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We are not sustainable

211 pointsby mrzoolover 1 year ago

17 comments

icegreentea2over 1 year ago
The life cycle assessment shows that over a five year life span, production is responsible for 65% of CO2e, and usage about 25% (out of a total estimated 200kg - roughly 86L of gasoline) using &quot;a typical US energy mix&quot;.<p>Component wise (during production), the largest CO2e contributor was the display at ~25%, then the mainboard at 20%, and then battery around 15%.<p>Take aways for me are that: from a sustainability standpoint, if you&#x27;re going to buy new, then it makes sense to buy the most capable model that makes sense, and try to milk it for as long as possible. Also, I never would have guessed how high the impact of display production was. Certainly makes the harvesting of screens from dead laptops seem like a good option.
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paxysover 1 year ago
Everyone forgets the first two Rs of conservation. Buying one electronic gadget and holding on to it for 5-7 years or longer, including being able to make repairs and upgrades, is <i>vastly</i> better for the planet then getting that new iDevice every year or two and feeling better about yourself because it is advertised as &quot;sustainably made&quot;.
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ewzimmover 1 year ago
If the whole tech industry generated 50 million metric tons per year, that’s about 6 kilograms per person on the planet per year, about a watermelon, and if you consider that even half of those are served by it, it’s a manageable amount of waste. The fact that it’s consolidated is a responsibility but also an opportunity to make big changes with every gain. I wish the tone here focused more on that opportunity.
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notpushkinover 1 year ago
Title feels clickbaity. At first I thought thry were talking about (not) being financially sustainable.
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nooberminover 1 year ago
Small comment on framework only somewhat related to its sustainability as a country. I live in Asia (Singapore) now after buying mine in America, and I cannot buy replacement parts now, even though most of the parts are made in Taiwan which is quite close to here. I am guessing it&#x27;s likely because framework cannot make their nice markup if I buy from their Taiwanese suppliers directly, but it has dented somewhat the repairability of these things when the effective supply chain you have is not present (available for Americans and Europeans on their online store but not people in Asia).
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logram-llcover 1 year ago
Duplicate of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37587748">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37587748</a>
badrabbitover 1 year ago
Cost aside, is an i5 cpu and nvme laptop from 6yrs ago noticably underperformant enough to consider an upgrade under standard web browing and document editing workloads?<p>I think plastic-free metallic casing is a big deal for ewaste. But also, SoC convergence is a terrible thing. It would have been nice if components were modular.<p>Imagine if the 4g&#x2F;5g, bluetooth and wifi modules if the billions of phones out there could be reused. Even CPU and memory might be reused on servers.<p>From a security perspective as well, the whole VM thing isn&#x27;t working out. If server racks had like 100 cpus each with dedicated 4GB ram all in 2U, you can pin a process per cpu&#x2F;related ram, but the best part is if the components are reused from consumer devices, they might be dirt cheap, and you can build a much more reliable setup where cpu&#x2F;ram failing just means reduced capacity until you hotplug more.
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datadrivenangelover 1 year ago
Good to see a full lifecycle assessment!
totetsuover 1 year ago
A once teacher of mine Sean Cubbit has some very good writing in the are of the environmental load of media and technology.<p>Here is the intro to one of his books <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dukeupress.edu&#x2F;Assets&#x2F;PubMaterials&#x2F;978-0-8223-6292-0_601.pdf?utm_source=blog&amp;utm_medium=blog%20post&amp;utm_content=b-CultPol_Dec16" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dukeupress.edu&#x2F;Assets&#x2F;PubMaterials&#x2F;978-0-8223-62...</a>
_nalplyover 1 year ago
When I saw the title I panicked because I have a laptop from them. Oh no they close down!<p>I was relieved that it was only about being them not sustainable for the Earth. How crazy is that? I am relieved that my laptop continues to be supported but for that we all might die later? Just because we all have our own selfish choices?
Oleksa_drover 1 year ago
What Framework could really do. A keyboard like Lenovo legion&#x2F;thinkpad, not something neutered in the style of Apple. Don&#x27;t make a terrible proprietary video card slot, but use pci-e&#x2F;u.2&#x2F;oculink, etc. The battery charging controller should be a separate module, with only +&#x2F;- and i2s&#x2F;usb going to the motherboard (for charge information and control&#x2F;firmware). And it should be quick-replaceable. The idea with external connectors needs to be refined. Still, it is worthwhile to output one high-speed USB on both sides as standard, 1 USB-A, 1-LAN, 1-DP Then allow 3-4 slots to insert some additional connectors. It&#x27;s good if you want proprietary connectors. Then it&#x27;s worth it, like for a video card. Then it is worth doing this more globally for CPU, RAM (CAMM), PCI-E. So that you can insert either high-speed memory or a so-dimm adapter. So that you can replace the processor, not the entire motherboard (no one will resell the old board, it will be in the garage like garbage). Develop 3-4 cases: light, medium, heavy gaming, heavy workstations. Make it an open standard so that it can be imposed on other manufacturers or enthusiasts. In general, we will get a square motherboard with connectors, to which you can attach or not attach connectors&#x2F;slots. Today I have enough money only for ryzen 5, 16gb so-dimm, 1 m.2 and 3 usb. After 4 years, I would be able to replace with a ryzen 7, 64gb, 2 m.2 and 6 usb-c, and connect a modern graphics card at that time. As a startup, you have slow change and innovation, you already act like a corporation, although you don&#x27;t have the burden of supporting many devices and compatibility. So for me, the &quot;framework&quot; looks like a typical greenwashing, which so far generates more garbage than a typical laptop (because no one changes anything there, like in your laptops with fake upgrades).
Uptrendaover 1 year ago
I really wish they would ship their laptops faster. I would buy one but don&#x27;t really want to wait a year+. Guess my next laptop will probably be a ThinkPad.
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langsoul-comover 1 year ago
Now if only these laptops were a cost competitive price. Given the price, you can get much better.
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tomxorover 1 year ago
&gt; create products that last longer, meaning fewer new ones need to be made<p>Yes this is the solution, but it&#x27;s hard to not feel apathetic about the whole thing - Capitalism becomes consumerism - One company can have an ethos, but ultimately sustainability is not included in the cost function of the economic model.<p>Framework are doing wonderful work, but in a sense (and I mean this in the most respectful way possible) there is only a subtle difference between green washing and making yourself feel better by being personally responsible and buying a framework laptop, because ultimately it doesn&#x27;t fix the underlying economic and societal issues that dictate how the rest of the world operates. At best Framework can offer an example.
lostmsuover 1 year ago
Entropy
giantrobotover 1 year ago
I wish I could scroll on mobile. Great job on your web design.
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benatkinover 1 year ago
Meanwhile at Google, Microsoft, and Apple: Greenwash all the things! \o&#x2F; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sustainability.google&#x2F;operating-sustainably&#x2F;net-zero-carbon&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sustainability.google&#x2F;operating-sustainably&#x2F;net-zero...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.microsoft.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;16&#x2F;microsoft-will-be-carbon-negative-by-2030&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.microsoft.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;16&#x2F;microsoft-will-b...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;newsroom&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;apple-commits-to-be-100-percent-carbon-neutral-for-its-supply-chain-and-products-by-2030&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;newsroom&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;apple-commits-to-be-1...</a><p>Amazon has 2040 as a target, not sure if that says they&#x27;re being more honest or it&#x27;s because they deal more in physical products. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sustainability.aboutamazon.com&#x2F;climate-solutions" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sustainability.aboutamazon.com&#x2F;climate-solutions</a>
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