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The short-lived experiment with rubber tires on railways (2013)

30 pointsby montalbanoover 1 year ago

9 comments

netbioserrorover 1 year ago
The author keeps asserting the &quot;inherent weakness&quot; of steel-on-steel railways; however, there are very good reasons it has been settled on as a good choice. Friction and sound losses are generally minimized, thanks to a very small contact surface and smooth, hard materials with little give; wheels can be re-machined back into spec a couple times rather than being replaced; rails can be re-used for lower-speed applications when worn; unlike pneumatic tires, steel can be machine into conical, self-centering, turn-adapting geometries with fixed axles and no need for differentials; the list continues and is quite long. Apparently, a recent change to wheel geometry reduced wear and extended lifetime by as much as 40%.<p>See Practical Engineering&#x27;s latest video: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Nteyw40i9So">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Nteyw40i9So</a>
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brazzyover 1 year ago
There was also a design with a layer of rubber between an inner steel wheel and a thin outer steel tire.<p>That was used by high speed trains in Germany - until one of the steel tires broke at 300 kilometers per hour and got stuck in a switch, causing the train to detail and hit the support column of an overpass, which collapsed on top of the train. 101 people dead: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Eschede_train_disaster" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Eschede_train_disaster</a>
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avidiaxover 1 year ago
&gt; a comparable carriage fitted with pneumatic tyres could need as many as 20 wheels.<p>How does a bus get by with far fewer wheels?<p>I think the answer is that they are still building with the same weight as a train, rather than a bus.<p>That points out an unexplored engineering envelope for modern trains, made possible by newer technologies:<p>* Very light trains. Think lighter than road cars, since they don&#x27;t need crumple zones or crash worthiness.<p>* Virtual coupling. Basically platooning on rails. Now the cars need to at most push&#x2F;tow one other disabled car, so they don&#x27;t need a beefy chassis to support towing long trains, coupling forces, etc.<p>* Homogenous cars. They all have traction motors, small batteries and sensors and compute. Think a low-range Tesla on rails.<p>* Autonomous control. Self-driving on rails. No operator cab. Since the train is now quite light, with a reasonable stopping distance, obstructions on the track can be potentially avoided so long as the sensors are adequate.<p>* Much faster acceleration and deceleration. With leaning, they could also corner faster.<p>* Probably intrinsically quieter, but now pneumatic tires would probably have reasonable life.
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jjoonathanover 1 year ago
&gt; Not just inefficient<p>What? I thought wheel deformation was a huge source of drag and steel tires were one of the main reasons why trains were comparatively <i>efficient</i>.
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jjgreenover 1 year ago
Still in use on a few lines of the Paris Métro
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woodpanelover 1 year ago
Can somebody explain to me the difference between this „short lived experience“ and the actual ongoing decades long operations of tire based metro&#x2F;subway systems?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rubber-tyred_metro" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rubber-tyred_metro</a>
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somatover 1 year ago
The fun experiment was the paper wheels.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paper_car_wheel" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paper_car_wheel</a>
sreedharkover 1 year ago
I remember this thread from hn. Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37726539">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37726539</a><p>Link to the article - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedrive.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedrive.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;tire-dust-makes-up-the-majorit...</a>
superchromaover 1 year ago
Japan has a train-on-tires on an elevated overpass track around Tokyo bay.<p>It&#x27;s pretty neat.