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SOPA is all fun and games until NBC rips off Apple's artwork

417 pointsby broddabout 13 years ago

22 comments

jonnathansonabout 13 years ago
More likely than not, this <i>is</i> -- as the article surmises -- the result of some intern at a far-flung backwater of NBC's having been sloppy. Probably a Google image search for some query that incidentally returned Apple's artwork among the pile, followed by a "Hey, that looks cool," followed by an appropriation. This is copypasta, not intentional infringement. (It's infringement just the same, and should be taken down, but there are mountains and then there are molehills).<p>Let's remember the old dictum: never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.<p>I'm not excusing NBC in any way here, least of all for SOPA (those who've read my comments and writings know I'm a huge opponent of the latter). But the likelihood that anyone in any position of power at NBC even <i>saw</i> that page is slim to none. I've worked for NBC in a past life, and I can tell you that the divisions responsible for these web pages don't even show up on the radar. They're so far removed from the power centers of the organization that many people probably aren't even aware they exist. (That, in itself, is a problem; don't get me wrong).<p>If you want to find much more malicious and intentional rip-offs of this logo, they abound on the interwebz. For example:<p><a href="http://cdn1.1stwebdesigner.com/wp-content/uploads/bigthumbs/500-600/preview-link-building-tools-better-online-visibility.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://cdn1.1stwebdesigner.com/wp-content/uploads/bigthumbs/...</a><p>Had NBC been using something like <i>that</i>, I think we'd have far more cause for indignation and uproar. Something like that image bespeaks a rather deliberate and shameless attempt to rip off Apple's artwork.
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cstuderabout 13 years ago
On a similar note: I've taken a picture back in 2007 of a notice beneath the Sony Center in Berlin:<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/hymnos/1987519794/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/hymnos/1987519794/</a><p>Sony PR was unable to clear all copyrights for pictures they had used in a exhibition about the past of the building. And publicly admitted it.
RyanMcGrealabout 13 years ago
&#62; so why not just steal it?<p>Can we <i>please</i> stop using the terms "stealing" and "theft" to refer to copyright infringement?
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Skroobabout 13 years ago
I'm also pretty sure the background on their page is Louie Mantia's work as well. It's an older version that he's since replaced, but you can see it on this site: <a href="http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details/1236/blueprint.html" rel="nofollow">http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details/1236/blueprint.ht...</a><p>FWIW, the current version (Blueprint Neue) is here: <a href="http://mantia.me/wallpaper/blueprint/" rel="nofollow">http://mantia.me/wallpaper/blueprint/</a>
PeterisPabout 13 years ago
SOPA would be great - it would mean that the owner could (and should) go to a judge and take NBC's website(s) offline. And then ask their official opinion about SOPA.
talosabout 13 years ago
yowza that's pathetic -- they didn't even bother to efface the 'XCODE' text in the lower right, or the Apple logo on the lower left!<p><a href="http://hometransformers.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/hammer_icon.png" rel="nofollow">http://hometransformers.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/hammer...</a>
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AgentConundrumabout 13 years ago
Off-topic, but that site was pretty much unreadable to me for a minute or so. At the top of the page, in a fixed-position div, there was a share button with an incrementing counter of shares.<p>My eye was constantly drawn to the ever-incrementing counter, but because it was fixed, I couldn't scroll past it. Bad UX.
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ambirexabout 13 years ago
Giving the maximum benefit of the doubt, this easily could have been a placeholder image that was missed when it was pushed into production.<p>The real problem is the gulf between the law and perception on what is content "theft". There are many people who wouldn't see a problem using the XCode logo for other purposes (read <a href="http://clientsfromhell.net/" rel="nofollow">http://clientsfromhell.net/</a> for several examples of people not understanding copyright infringement).<p>The article seems a little overblown in its tone. We should allow NBC the same latitude we would want if one of our employee's had made the same mistake. We should also ask NBC to support legislation that would allow for education and forgiveness.
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MRonneyabout 13 years ago
Super long, condemning article that points out hyper-hypocrisy, then I get to this. We’ve reached out to Apple to see whether a licensing arrangement has been reached for this graphic…but we doubt it. So, what we have here is someone who took the time to write all of that and not even fucking fact check first. I also doubt Apple licensed their artwork, but you can't fucking post shit like this before you know for sure.
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glenntzkeabout 13 years ago
Upon my most recent visit, the image is no longer there. Not just hidden, but they removed the markup and it is no longer loaded with the site. I would like to believe that this post created enough of a cease and desist to effect the takedown.
uncoder0about 13 years ago
Here is the link to the original Post:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3774416" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3774416</a>
tocommentabout 13 years ago
Has anything come of this? Has Apple been notified?
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shtylmanabout 13 years ago
The last paragraph should have been the first. Why write this piece on "stealing" and infringement when you don't even know the facts?
badalyanabout 13 years ago
What about this?<p><a href="http://abc.go.com/watch" rel="nofollow">http://abc.go.com/watch</a>
coobabout 13 years ago
Icon infringement is rampant: <a href="http://www.panic.com/extras/ripoff/" rel="nofollow">http://www.panic.com/extras/ripoff/</a>
Tmorahanabout 13 years ago
<i>giggles</i><p>I love it when a plan comes together.
J3L2404about 13 years ago
Cognitive dissonance. If you really think this justifies copyright violation of software and films you need to grow up.
aptwebappsabout 13 years ago
Man that was a lot of words to not much purpose. The basic fact of it is funny enough, but c'mon, this has nothing to do with SOPA.
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EGregabout 13 years ago
Look people. We all know that SOPA sucked. Personally I called my congressman and suggested the following amendment to SOPA:<p>When the dept of justice (or whoever is tasked with prosecuting these sites) finds a site, they contact it and issue a invitation to participate in domestic proceedings, and the invitation is good for a certain period (30 days for example). During this time, the site can respond, realize the problem, maybe make amends or reach a settlement. If they do not <i>respond</i> within the time period, then they are considered in default, and US financial institutions, search engines etc. could be compelled block them. However, at any time they can start legal proceedings within the US, and try to get reinstated, until the statute of limitations runs out (a few years).<p>This would have introduced the proper concepts of due process (inviting them to participate and offer them an opportunity to resolve the matter before taking drastic measures), jurisdiction (only US financial companies would be compelled to stop dealing with them, and possibly search engines, etc.) And IMHO it would be a good compromise.<p>Finally, here is why it would work: it takes a while from a site to grow from an insignificant pirate hub (where people can download movies, etc.) to something that lots of people in the US know. Remember, the problem is only that US citizens are downloading pirated US movies &#38; shows (which cost a lot to make) from abroad. Once lots of people in the US know how to get to it using domain X or method X, then the entertainment industry can take notice. By that time, the site has been operating for a while (probably over a year). What is another 30 days at this point. The due process should take place. The entertainment industry is presumably going after big fish, not fly by night file hosters. So there is no reason to shoot first and ask questions later.<p>I am probably going to get downvoted because I am talking about SOPA and saying it could work using some sort of compromise. But I try to be open minded. Those who know me know I criticize copyright, but I don't think our society is ready for a completely wikipedia-like approach to art. I have thought about the issue and in practical terms, copyright is actually quite useful as it enforces copyleft. And in fact, using copyright and copyleft, we have a competition of content creation by open groups and by proprietary interests. Which is good for society. Patents in software, on the other hand, should be abolished :)
JamisonMabout 13 years ago
Is that not just a piece of generic clip art that both companies could have licensed from the same source?<p>The whole article seems like a lot of conjecture about something only vaguely related to SOPA in order to publish a story about SOPA.
darksagaabout 13 years ago
I think its important to note, even if this was some contracted company who put up the site, you would think designers would either know better, or at least have the skills to create something similar. I'm by no means a whiz with Illustrator, but I bet I could whip something up in a few hours that's similar without infringing on Apple's copyrights.<p>I mean hell, all you have to do is google "blueprint icon tutorial" and you get over a million hits. There is absolutely no excuse for someone doing this with such a vast amount of resources at their disposal.
trotskyabout 13 years ago
So if I dug through a bunch of environmental activists' trash and found a stray recyclable would that be an indictment of mandatory recycling laws? The only thing thing interesting about this article is how easy it is to use SOPA as cheap link bait.
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