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What Is Appropriation in Art?

29 pointsby atg_abhishekover 1 year ago

7 comments

TheOtherHobbesover 1 year ago
Most of this is recontextualisation, not appropriation. Even the Lichtenstein is covertly ironic. The creativity isn&#x27;t just in the imagery and the technique, it&#x27;s in making a statement about the surrounding culture.<p>AI doesn&#x27;t recontextualise, it reproduces cliches. You could argue that AI itself is an original artwork. But its output is backward- and inward-looking, not forward-looking. It tries to reproduce work from the past in a very literal way, mostly for users who are culturally naive and think art is about pictures, not about cultural, emotional, perceptual, and psychological insights.
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bluebooover 1 year ago
“Appropriation” has been a technical term in art criticism distinct from “cultural appropriation”. “Cultural appropriation” which is what “appropriation” typically refers to in today’s mainstream discourse.<p>The art term is neutral. The cultural term is negative. Modern and contemporary art is plausibly rife with cultural appropriation, often coinciding with typical artistic “appropriation”, and this essay doesn’t engage with that issue, and its lack of acknowledgement of the imminent confusion is puzzling.
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hammockover 1 year ago
I’d like to see this argument in the context of music.<p>Not just samples, in their contemporary usage, which has been thoroughly discussed.<p>I think of the best and most memorable melodies that I sing from church hymnals, or in pop music - which often come from classical compositions.<p>Like “Thaxted”, which comes from Gustav’s Planets.<p>Or Celine Dion’s “All By Myself”, which comes from Rachmaninoff&#x27;s Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor.<p>Or the theme from the movie Babe, which comes from a reggae song that reused the melody from Saint-Saen’s Symphony 3
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ttoinouover 1 year ago
Sone examples shown are better described as Détournement, but maybe Appropriation is more neutral and generalist. In any case copying is the most basic tool in the creation process. Some artists show they copy, others artists lie about the source of their &quot;inspiration&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;D%C3%A9tournement" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;D%C3%A9tournement</a>
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nonrandomstringover 1 year ago
Just speaking from a hip-hop perspective;<p>Appropriation is stealing well.<p>Good stealing is obvious, fair, resonant, clever, unexpected and pointed.<p>Since the appropriation is part of the art it needs to be up front. Don&#x27;t be obscure, or try too hard to hide the grab. Even better if it&#x27;s audacious.<p>There is a sense of fairness amongst artists. Stealing a well known icon is okay, but to take the riff of rival, little known artist is plagiarism.<p>There must be a cultural or semantic resonance. Even if, as in Dada&#x2F;Surrealism it&#x27;s an incongruous juxtaposition. Something needs to link or amplify. Otherwise you&#x27;ve got a collage or mish-mash of &quot;found&quot; stuff that doesn&#x27;t hang together, and that is considered immature.<p>A clever steal makes the thing you take feel like it always belonged more in your piece than the original context. That&#x27;s hard, but it happens and its wonderful. Maybe you take a grab that forms the perfect cadence to an entire song you wrote, or just a sound whose harmonics make the perfect missing parts to another chord.<p>A completely leftfield steal borrows from a genre that is totally unexpected. There&#x27;s a balance to be struck with obscurity here.<p>Finally, all of these combine such that an appropriation has a <i>point</i>. It communicates an idea, through juxtaposition, association or whatever. It references. It&#x27;s a homage.<p>I know that the hidden question behind this post is &quot;Does AI appropriate?&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t think it does, because it lacks the intentionality of the above points. But humans are great pattern matchers, including seeing patterns that are accidental, so we mat read into AI and see &quot;appropriation&quot; - but only in its most mechanical sense.
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willmaddenover 1 year ago
It’s when the meaning of the original art is perverted or replaced entirely by the appropriated work.<p>It seems most common in music and film.
local_crmdgeonover 1 year ago
It’s nothing. Cultural appropriation isn’t real, and to the extent that it is, it’s a good thing