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Chat Control 2.0: EU set to approve end of private messaging, secure encryption

131 pointsby ssklashover 1 year ago

6 comments

jiggawattsover 1 year ago
This is 90% mass surveillance for general law enforcement, 9% state spying, and 1% about stopping child sex abuse.<p>So of course, because 99% of the dragnet is unpalatable to the voters it is being forced onto, the focus is on CSAM.<p>None of it is effective anyway, which is an open secret.<p>Israel for example has one of the most extensive intelligence gathering programs in their region and they missed a huge military buildup on their doorstep.<p>This technology is never used to help or protect people. Nobody <i>forces through</i> unpopular laws that cost billions of dollars to implement and utilise out of the goodness of their heart.<p>Laws like this exist to keep tabs on the poor so that they don’t have the means to organise against the rich and powerful. Look at how Cambridge Analytica used dragnet data collection to help unpopular politicians win elections.<p>This is what it’s about: power.<p>The power to listen in. The power to keep tabs on you. The power to destroy the reputation of upstart competitors to your power.
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jessenaserover 1 year ago
On device client side scanning requires a DRM for devices.<p>This means you could not install Linux on computers, you must only install what the hardware lets you install, from some cryptographic chip.<p>Besides encryption, besides all else. This would lead to a world where whatever levels of control could be put on devices, they will.<p>- Iran phones won&#x27;t let you install free communications apps. - Chinese phones won&#x27;t let you install VPNs. - Indian phones will put a backdoor into your encryption PGP, so it can sign messages acting on your behalf, or DocuSign behalf.<p>This isn&#x27;t talking about Apple phones that do not let you install software you want. This is saying there will be a MARKET restriction in the European Union, such that a free product IS NOT POSSIBLE.<p>---<p>However there are truths:<p>1. Once hardware is published it cannot be changed on the fly. 2. Peer to peer protocols cannot be stopped.<p>As long as hardware is not locked, and people still can code, there is hope.
miohtamaover 1 year ago
Earlier<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;balkaninsight.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;25&#x2F;who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;balkaninsight.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;09&#x2F;25&#x2F;who-benefits-inside-the...</a><p>It’s American scan software company and corrupted Swedish politicians lobbying this
AlchemistCampover 1 year ago
Hopefully WhatsApp, Signal and other chat providers cut off the EU rather than abandon end-to-end encryption.
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Reubendover 1 year ago
We need better laws to enshrine the right to privacy. Otherwise, we&#x27;ll keep getting proposals like this until eventually one gets approved.
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V__over 1 year ago
Even if this passes, does anyone know how EU courts stand on this issue? They have repeatedly slashed data retention as unconstitutional, so I&#x27;m holding out hope.