After reading this article, I recalled that Sean Carroll interviewed Stuart Bartlett for his Mindscape podcast. [1]<p>[1] <a href="https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2020/07/20/106-stuart-bartlett-on-what-life-means/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2020/07/20/106-...</a>