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Brave appears to install VPN Services without user consent

168 pointsby mindracerover 1 year ago

18 comments

JohnFenover 1 year ago
This had two results for me -- the first is that my employer has forcibly uninstalled all brave installations in our company and has forbidden its use, and the second is that I have voluntarily uninstalled brave from my personal machines.
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qntmfredover 1 year ago
I use Brave and I'm not super disturbed by this. The Windows Service isn't even running, it's just installed (presumably to reduce friction in the case I were to start using their VPN I wouldn't have to go through an additional installation process). Sure, it's a little bit more intrusive than is ideal for people who like to keep a close on what gets installed into Services, but at the end of the day, is there a real problem here?
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CountGeekover 1 year ago
This list of Firefox forks was posted not so long ago - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37735443">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37735443</a><p>- librewolf (Desktop) [1]<p>- Mull (Android) [2]<p>- Iceraven (Android) [3]<p>- Mercury (Desktop) [4]<p>- Pulse Browser (Desktop) [5]<p>- Waterfox (Desktop) [6]<p>- Floorp (Desktop) [7] --&gt; This submission<p>- Pale Moon (Desktop) [8]<p>- Mullvad Browser (Desktop) [9]<p>- Tor browser (Desktop - Android) [10]<p>This list is not inclusive. It probably contains the famous forks.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;librewolf.net" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;librewolf.net</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitlab.com&#x2F;divested-mobile&#x2F;mull-fenix" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitlab.com&#x2F;divested-mobile&#x2F;mull-fenix</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;fork-maintainers&#x2F;iceraven-browser">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;fork-maintainers&#x2F;iceraven-browser</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Alex313031&#x2F;Mercury">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Alex313031&#x2F;Mercury</a><p>[5] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pulsebrowser.app" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pulsebrowser.app</a><p>[6] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.waterfox.net" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.waterfox.net</a><p>[7] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;floorp.app&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;floorp.app&#x2F;en</a><p>[8] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.palemoon.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.palemoon.org</a><p>[9] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mullvad.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;browser" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mullvad.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;browser</a><p>[10] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.torproject.org&#x2F;download&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.torproject.org&#x2F;download&#x2F;</a>
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mhsdefover 1 year ago
I know we like to get the pitchforks out, but, it appears to be accidental:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;brave&#x2F;brave-browser&#x2F;issues&#x2F;33726">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;brave&#x2F;brave-browser&#x2F;issues&#x2F;33726</a>
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baz00over 1 year ago
Brave is crapware and always has been.<p>If you actually care about privacy rather than want to pay lip service to some marketing, then there are better options.
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christophilusover 1 year ago
It looks like, on Windows, Brave installs their VPN service in a state that requires them to be started manually. They aren’t disabled, but they also aren’t running. It’s not great, but also doesn’t seem like a pitchforkable offense. Maybe I’m too much of a Brave fan, though. I probably use it 50% of the time and FF the other 50%.
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PretzelPirateover 1 year ago
I don&#x27;t use Brave, but software updates install new stuff all the time. I don&#x27;t see why this is news.<p>Now if they start routing all of your traffic through their VPN, that would be news.<p>I don&#x27;t think every new feature an application depends on needs user consent to install.
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pbhjpbhjover 1 year ago
Yep, they did this drive by installation to me.<p>Very disappointed.<p>Not yet uninstalled, I mean, I still have Firefox (but have finally got around to moving my data away from their sync).<p>Really? Unsolicited bundling is not okay.
tengbretsonover 1 year ago
Is this anymore troublesome than it also installing a tor client and torrent downloader by default? Isn&#x27;t this called shipping features?
basiswordover 1 year ago
It’s incredible how often they manage to shoot themselves in the foot.
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jbc1over 1 year ago
Can someone explain the context of this apparently being a big deal?
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porridgeraisinover 1 year ago
Windows service entries are more like systemd unit files aren&#x27;t they. I don&#x27;t think brave starts a vpn or downloads any separate binary onto your pc without asking you.
crossroadsguyover 1 year ago
So I was really disappointed in Firefox as my second browser (first is Safari; yeah it&#x27;s the platform lock; Apple should be forced to open it up). So few days back I decided to set up on my new (2020) MacBook Air and this time I installed Brave.<p>Goodness! It&#x27;s a dumpster fire. Wallets, crypto, and what not - all over. I scrambled around and disabled, fixed some and all that but then things kept happening and I panicked and immediately uninstalled it clean and then installed Firefox. I will keep cursing Mozilla for actively and consistently ruining Firefox but this really is the better browser out there, even now. Unless there are others that I have not tried. Vivaldi, Opera? Are they good now?<p>Is Camino living in shape or form even now? I would not mind a Mozilla blessed theme&#x2F;extension pack that turns Firefox into Camino of olden times. But the best would be forcing Apple to open the OS&#x27; browser gates.
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Jareover 1 year ago
I took one for the team and updated Brave to latest. No VPN services of any kind that I can see. Could it be that I&#x27;m in EU?
weppleover 1 year ago
At first sniff this felt dodgy to me, but then when I thought about it: a software update pushes arbitrary code to your machine that you willingly execute. You either take the risk and live with it or don’t.
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cutlerover 1 year ago
The article&#x27;s opt-out excuse for a privacy policy killed it for me.
Fervicusover 1 year ago
My main is Firefox but I have to occasionally use a Chromium based browser. Used to use Edge before it went to shit and have been using Brave ever since. Is there a better alternative?
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DueDilligenceover 1 year ago
.. now my staff understand more why Brave is prohibited on work devices.