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Just how big are porn sites?

251 pointsby mrsebastianabout 13 years ago

16 comments

SystemOutabout 13 years ago
<i>sigh</i> The article makes it sound like these sites are doing everything themselves including pushing the bits.<p>Maybe some are but I can say from personal experience that most of your traffic, if you're smart, comes out of a CDN. The sites themselves are definitely not that interactive which makes them simpler to publish. The pages are almost all cached and that doesn't take much horsepower to serve up. The big video sites have ratings and comments but they are not that big of a deal. People go to watch porn sites to watch porn, not interact. Customer analytics have shown that over and over.<p>I know of virtually no porn company that handles their own transactions, either. They all go through billing companies that handle things like PCI compliance for them.<p>Most sites also use a system like NATs to do their affiliate management. You need one that the affiliates trust isn't shaving sign-ups from their account. They tend to trust NATs.<p>For the data on the backend you just have a SAN to manage the data or you just manage it on a few servers with lots of disks but if you are really at the 100TB mark then you get a SAN I would think. That's what we did. Sure, it's a lot of space but they're big files so managing them isn't that hard.<p>I'd say the largest issue that a company like YouPorn will have is the amount of data in their working set for a CDN. CDNs generally charge you for the size of your working set that they keep at each POP in their network so you want to keep it as small as possible.<p>At the end of the day running a large porn network is more about integrating the myriad of partners you need to run the network. The infrastructure is interesting for a while but once you have it working the business of doing deals and handling promotions and figuring out why integration point A isn't working like it should is what keeps you busy.
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benologistabout 13 years ago
I wish HN would cap how many times ExtremeTech, ITWorld, MacObserver etc can be submitted.... by employees of those sites.
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digisthabout 13 years ago
What's really interesting to me personally is how porn continues to stay ahead of, or at least at/near the front of, the pack technology/performance-wise. Back in the late 1990s and early 2000s I co-ran the technology department at a very large network of high-traffic adult web sites (I'm not sure exactly where we would have been in the rankings, but I'd take a wild guess to say it was top 20, if not top 10.) We were doing streaming video (in Real, QT, and WM) at a time when it was still images as the default. Reading comments from SystemOut and stickfigure reminded me of just how (obviously) primitive everything seems compared to today, but we still made it work. Some broad notes from the period:<p>- Started with single processor Sun SPARCs, which were later replaced by a dual and quad core ones (went from 32 to 64 bit early due to file size limitations), along with a collection of Linux boxes from Penguin Computing (remember them?) Most were in the mid-hundreds MHz range, topping out at a blazing 1GHz by the end.<p>- Apache, mod_perl, MySQL (postgres for one system), later replaced some of the front end code with PHP.<p>- No CDNs! Akamai was more or less the only game in town and was still unproven/considered too expensive at the time so we did traditional multiple-host setups (things like image1, image2, along with RRDNS for some other bits)<p>- No really good, well-integrated turnkey billing systems. The ones at the time often took too large a chunk of the revenue or were designed for low volume/were very inflexible. Custom billing code to directly talk to charge processors (we spoke a custom protocol right over UDP to ours. We had a dedicated line to the processor, too IIRC. Every time a transaction was processed, you got to hear a classic modem-like noise. The hardware on our side was connected to a text-terminal (Monochrome, orange text.)<p>- In-browser video started out using NPH tricks(!), later used a custom Java applet. Most, however, was served directly to separate client applications. In the days before the YouTubes and Vimeos came along, you had to yes, have your customers download 3rd party software and then provide support for it.<p>- RAID 1 under Linux at the time had some ugly bugs which would partially corrupt one of the mirrors, requiring weekly manual rebuilds. I had a script monitoring for corruption which would send an email to this crazy old device called a "pager." The corruption always seemed to occur 15 minutes after I fell asleep, too.<p>Anyhow, interesting to see just how far things have come. Impressive numbers.
jettiabout 13 years ago
This and the article about YouPorn's stack make me really want to go work for these places. I'm sure that the day to day challenges would be fascinating and it would be a thrilling technical experience.
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furyofantaresabout 13 years ago
&#62; While it obviously varies from site to site, most adult sites will probably store in the region of 50 to 200 terabytes of porn. This is quite a lot for a website (only something like Google, Facebook, Blogger, or YouTube would store more data),<p>Netflix, Hulu, Apple, Flickr, Dropbox, Steam...<p>I find it disappointing that this list (and the one about bandwidth saying only YouTube or Hulu comes close to Xvideos) are incomplete but they aren't really presented as such.
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pgroteabout 13 years ago
Does anyone have real world experience monetizing porn sites on a such a large scale? I am not familiar with the business aspects of it. Is it driven through affiliate? Direct advertising? Something else?
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medinismabout 13 years ago
Is anyone at all surprised their tech-stack is php? is it because of legacy or is it because any sensible person moving petabytes of data would use? or does it even matter
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commiebobabout 13 years ago
&#62;To put that 800Gbps figure into perspective, the internet only handles around half an exabyte of traffic every day, which equates to around 50Tbps — in other words, a single porn site accounts for almost 25% of the internet’s total traffic.<p>That should be more like 1.6% if those numbers are correct...<p>Still an absurd amount of traffic.
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caycepabout 13 years ago
i heard it offhand from an acquaintance who did a google internship that google has to downrank porn sites by several orders of magnitude, otherwise all that would ever come up in google searches would be porn...
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yaixabout 13 years ago
But how do they make money? They give all the naked girls and guys away for free (and the users probably can achieve the purpose of their visit by means of that free content alone).
fourmiiabout 13 years ago
I love it how the article ends with &#62;The Internet really is for porn&#60;<p>&#62;It’s probably not unrealistic to say that porn makes up 30% of the total data transferred across the internet.&#60; If this is the case, is the online porn industry held up as models of high tech and innovation? I thought I heard somewhere investors and VC's in particular, shy away from porn...
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kanchaxabout 13 years ago
On a non-tech note, I read on the internet (yes, aldaily, do not have the link right now) that 1/3 of Casanova's autobiography was about his affairs with women. It came to me when the article said that a third of the internet was dedicated to porn. Conclusion: A third of our lives are dedicated to sex.
silentscopeabout 13 years ago
"While it’s difficult domain to penetrate..."<p>Very punny.
NameNickHNabout 13 years ago
From the article:<p><i>[...] when you factor in what those porn surfers are actually doing [...]</i><p>Ahem, I'd rather not. ;-)
zerostar07about 13 years ago
What would the traffic be if there these sites were not blocked in a large part of the world?
jsherryabout 13 years ago
"While it’s difficult domain to penetrate"<p>I'm deeply sorry, but couldn't resist...
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