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Thomas Edison's Concrete Houses

107 pointsby adrian_mrdover 1 year ago

13 comments

jccooperover 1 year ago
Notable that the Edison houses aren&#x27;t form-cast like we do today, which is just structural and rather rough; the concrete was meant to be the finished wall both interior and exterior, including the roof and all interior and exterior ornament. The forms were nickel-plated cast iron.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;edisons-system-of-concrete-houses&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;edisons-system-of...</a>
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DWakefieldover 1 year ago
Does anyone know where there are pictures of the interiors of these homes? I&#x27;m very curious about the concrete bath fixtures, but can&#x27;t seem to find anything online that definitively shows the inside of an Edison concrete home. It&#x27;s also interesting to see this in light of all the news recently about 3D printed concrete and how there are many of the same challenges now that Edison must have had to deal with then. Plumbing, electrical, insulation, and so forth all have to be incorporated into the design or tacked on afterward.
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throw0101cover 1 year ago
Insulating concrete form (ICF) is popular in some quarters:<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Insulating_concrete_form" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Insulating_concrete_form</a><p>Instead of setting up formwork [0] with rebar, pouring and curing concrete, and then spending time (=money) tearing things down, the formwork is an insulating foam that is left in place. One consideration is that you then have to put some paneling in front of it (on either&#x2F;both interior and exterior faces).<p>Depending on the aesthetic you wish to have, you can have smooth concrete exposed or have textures, e.g., board-formed:<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=W1JLy8ZSH2Q">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=W1JLy8ZSH2Q</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=688MeG_RKRM">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=688MeG_RKRM</a><p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Formwork" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Formwork</a>
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clashmooreover 1 year ago
The concrete houses reminded me of the George Eastman (founder of Eastman Kodak camera company) [estate](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;George_Eastman_Museum" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;George_Eastman_Museum</a>) which is now a museum in Rochester.<p>Built in 1905 of reinforced concrete.<p>Worth a visit.
glimsheover 1 year ago
You can still custom-build a concrete house today and put regular siding so it looks just like any other house. You can&#x27;t tell it&#x27;s concrete from the outside, but the house is a lot tougher - especially against hurricanes.
samthoover 1 year ago
Prior to tech, I primary worked in construction during and right out of high school.<p>Cast-in-place concrete dwellings have never caught on despite it making a tremendous amount of economic sense. While it has a foothold in the market for specific applications (basements, retaining walls, commercial buildings, etc), a concrete house form in-a-box poses some logistical challenges and human ones.<p>First, the vision here was to be able to drop a form and creates a single pour&#x2F;unibody structure (like injection molded plastic). That is very difficult to do and most concrete work is done in multiple stages for this reason. The main challenge is the creation a form that is sufficiently supported on the inside to create the “void” of the living space. You’re having, instead, to pour a slab, wait a sufficiently long time for it to cure enough to support weight, and do the walls and ceiling next.<p>The other logistical issue is internal reinforcement, which is what rebar is for. Concrete, as a building material, can really only resist compressive loads, which makes unaided concrete highly unsuitable for applications where there is a void underneath (in our home, for example, under a window frame, under a ceiling, or in infrastructure, as an overpass) However, by using iron-reinforced concrete, we can turn shear forces into compressive and by using pretensioned concrete (stretching of reinforcement cables prior to concrete pour), we turn tension into compression as those stretched steel wires want to return back to their original shape, it’s like an internal lasso keeping it together.<p>The last logistical challenge is installation of all utilities, which means in&#x2F;under slab and wall piping (water supply lines, in floor heating, DWV, etc), electrical with conduit setup going to masonry boxes, outlets, switches, light fixtures.<p>The point here is, setting up for a concrete pour is not as simple as erecting forms. When the concrete pour is cured into a structure, it’s now a very inflexible material to work with and any wall penetration needs to be checked against blueprints, new electrical need to be run on the surface, leak repairs need to be done with very specialized equipment and a tunnel created under the dwelling, etc.<p>The other main problem is that people don’t want complete concrete homes. Without in-slab heating, it is a cold, hard, unforgiving material that allows for zero flexibility and repairs are a nightmare. Just like software, homes should be built with maintenance in mind because that’s the normal state in which it is worked on. Plus, it feels like a prison. At least it won’t burn down?<p>I have a lot of gripes with slab-on-grade construction[0] for this reason, and every dwelling I’ve built has had at least a crawl space, often a basement where everything is serviceable. The basement is usually CMU (concrete masonry units, aka cinder block), precast concrete (slabs trucked in), or, rarely, ICF (insulated concrete forms, basically in-place formwork with concrete in the middle of two pieces of foam insulation like an ice cream sandwich[1]).<p>I think there are some things we can learn from commercial buildings where you can have concrete skeletons[2][3] but large cut-outs where you can build walls. Inside the concrete pillars are PVC channels that let you thread wiring and plumbing, and other things through without having to do a concrete penetration. To built the house part, you effective put up wood frame walls in the voids or an aluminum-framed window installation (like a storefront assembly).<p>Side note: If you have ever wondered why you see basements in colder climates (and conversely more slab-on-grade in warmer ones) is because the bottom of your construction need to be situated under the frost line to prevent shifting caused by the ground freezing. So if you have to dig 4ft down anyway to reach that point, maybe just dig out a 5ft hole and install a basement instead, then your can have your home’s first&#x2F;ground floor about 3-5 feet elevated. Slabs made to handle the shifting of ground due to freezing, liquefaction, or unstable building surfaces are called “rafts” and are not used very often compared to other methods.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;anchorfoundationrepair.net&#x2F;blog&#x2F;slab-foundation-how-made&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;anchorfoundationrepair.net&#x2F;blog&#x2F;slab-foundation-how-...</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;images.finehomebuilding.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;30114505&#x2F;Amvic-ICF-process-1x12.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;images.finehomebuilding.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;3011...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Concrete_frame" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Concrete_frame</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.understandconstruction.com&#x2F;concrete-frame-structures.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.understandconstruction.com&#x2F;concrete-frame-struct...</a>
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adolphover 1 year ago
Edison&#x27;s Patents Regarding Concrete Houses:<p>Process of constructing concrete buildings: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US1219272A&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US1219272A&#x2F;en</a><p>Apparatus for the production of concrete structures: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US1326854A&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US1326854A&#x2F;en</a><p>The first was cited by John Zachary Delorean in a patent titled &quot;Building construction.&quot; [0] <i>DeLorean managed the development of a number of vehicles throughout his career, including the Pontiac GTO muscle car, the Pontiac Firebird, Pontiac Grand Prix, Chevrolet Cosworth Vega, and the DMC DeLorean sports car, which was featured in the 1985 film Back to the Future. He was the youngest division chief in General Motors history, then left to start the DeLorean Motor Company (DMC) in 1973.</i> [1]<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US3778953A&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US3778953A&#x2F;en</a><p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;John_DeLorean" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;John_DeLorean</a>
elzbardicoover 1 year ago
Even outside the US, concrete houses are not very common outside specific architectural styles like brutalism. What is very common are reinforced-concrete structural elements, but the walls themselves are made of bricks and mortar, or even concrete blocks, but rarely cast concrete.
rmasonover 1 year ago
A non-profit just created a 3D printed concrete home in Detroit. It cost over $230,000 although they expect in volume the cost would drop.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.detroitnews.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;business&#x2F;2022&#x2F;10&#x2F;18&#x2F;detroit-nonprofit-kicks-off-3d-printed-home-build-project&#x2F;69571636007&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.detroitnews.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;business&#x2F;2022&#x2F;10&#x2F;18&#x2F;detroi...</a><p>You can buy a pretty nice house in a nice neighborhood in Detroit for under $150,000 and a decent one for $75,000. Both far larger than 1,000 square feet and featuring two car garages as well. So the only market I can see for these homes is government subsidized projects.
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carabinerover 1 year ago
Anyone reminded of Tesla&#x27;s gigacasting? Pop out an entire car frame as a single part from molten steel, versus 400 separate parts:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;gigacasting-20-tesla-reinvents-carmaking-with-quiet-breakthrough-2023-09-14&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;gigacasting-20-tesla-rein...</a>. Wonder if we could do this with houses now.
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grapheover 1 year ago
Menlo park was also made of Edison concrete. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.menloparkmuseum.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.menloparkmuseum.org</a> it looks like it&#x27;s in great condition, so is a certain road on the east coast. Forgot the Edison concrete contracts, but the old stadium was also made of Edison concrete. I always wondered about it&#x27;s makeup, it&#x27;s an excellent concrete.
xnxover 1 year ago
Concrete is probably underutilized as a building material for homes in the US. Though there are high carbon costs for cement production, there are a lot of benefits to concrete: very strong against wind, very fire resistant, impervious to most pests, sound proofing, air-tight, good insulator when sandwiched with foam. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.iconbuild.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.iconbuild.com&#x2F;</a> isn&#x27;t yet 3D printing concrete homes at scale, but they have a small neighborhood of some really good looking homes going up in Texas.
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clnqover 1 year ago
The purchasing power equivalent of $1,200 in 1990 is about $40,000 today.
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