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AI is about to change how you use computers

56 pointsby istotexover 1 year ago

24 comments

notpachetover 1 year ago
&gt; And even the best sites have an incomplete understanding of your work, personal life, interests, and relationships and a limited ability to use this information to do things for you.<p>Good, that&#x27;s how I would like it to be!
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JohnFenover 1 year ago
If that&#x27;s the future of using computers, he can keep it. I want none of that, personally. Most of what he lists is stuff that comes with such serious downsides as to be actively objectionable.
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1vuio0pswjnm7over 1 year ago
&quot;640K ought to be enough for anybody&quot; (1981) &lt;-- Gates claims he never said this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;1997&#x2F;01&#x2F;did-gates-really-say-640k-is-enough-for-anyone&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;1997&#x2F;01&#x2F;did-gates-really-say-640k-is-e...</a><p>&quot;The next generation of interesting software will be done on the Macintosh, not the IBM PC&quot; (1984)<p>&quot;I see little commercial potential for the internet for the next 10 years&quot; (1994)<p>&quot;Today&#x27;s Internet is not the information highway I imagine, although you can think of it as the beginning of the highway&quot; (1995)<p>&quot;There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed&quot; (1995)<p>&quot;One thing we have got to change in our strategy - allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other peoples browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities&quot; (1998)<p>Under oath: &quot;I don&#x27;t recall&quot; 6x, &quot;I don&#x27;t remember&quot; 14x, &quot;I don&#x27;t know&quot; 22x (1998)<p>&quot;[E-mail] spam will be a thing of the past in two years&#x27; time&quot; (2004)
Animatsover 1 year ago
&gt; And depending on how much information you choose to share with it, the software will be able to respond personally because it will have a rich understanding of your life.<p>That understanding will belong to some company whose interests and goals are not yours.<p>This will not bother most people. Most people are willing to use GMail, even though it <i>snoops on their private emails and uses that info for advertising purposes.</i>
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landedgentryover 1 year ago
I desperately need a personal assistant because it has become impossible to get anything done now that companies have automated everything and made mistakes and edge cases impossible to resolve. I hope this new wave of automation won&#x27;t make things even more difficult to manage.
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Night_Thastusover 1 year ago
An agent is an amazing idea, and it would add enormous convenience - if implemented well.<p>But we&#x27;re a long, long, long, long, long way away from agents. What we have now aren&#x27;t even precursors to agents, more like very distant cousins to an ancestor.<p>In order to make what he&#x27;s talking about, you&#x27;d need true general artificial intelligence operating at a human&#x27;s level or above.<p>And if we have that, the entire world is going to change regardless - personal assistants will be insignificant in comparison.<p>It&#x27;s difficult to predict when a breakthrough like that would happen, but I doubt it&#x27;ll be within the next 200 years.<p>What we have now isn&#x27;t even a stepping stone in the right direction, it&#x27;s just smoke and mirrors that <i>looks</i> like it is if you only look at it on a surface level.
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gumballindieover 1 year ago
&gt; The real shift will come when agents can help patients do basic triage, get advice about how to deal with health problems<p>Yeah could you f**ng not? I pay taxes and insurance to get proper medical guidance, not answers from a bot. Public healthcare in the uk is nearly dead anyway and their patch fixes are to use “virtual” nonsense, while private healthcare is riddled by “ai” that does nothing but annoy customers. BabylonHealth, a former uk ai “healthcare” darling, rightfully went under because among many things it was gibberish.
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dclowd9901over 1 year ago
&gt; In the next five years, this will change completely. You won’t have to use different apps for different tasks. You’ll simply tell your device, in everyday language, what you want to do.<p>This kind of thinking, to me, smacks of the kind of ignorant projections people used to make in the early 20th century about technology in the 21st century.<p>“Robotics will advance, so everyone will have their own personal robot assistant!” Nope, though we do have robots doing things that are commensurate with their cost and the value they provide.<p>“Advances in aviation mean everyone will have a flying car.” Nope again. Turns out the added utility of being able to fly directly to places vs the cost doesn’t trump a car in most cases, and when those cases don’t apply, airplanes are plenty economical.<p>“You’ll just tell your device what you want to do.” No again. In some cases this is useful (I already tell my device to remind me about something or to schedule some sort of event on my calendar, where the time to input far exceeds speaking it), but in most cases, I can do it faster myself with a good UI, or maybe I don’t want everyone around me hearing me blather into my phone.<p>It’s like, just imagine for a second what it would be like to have to dictate everything you do on your phone. It would be utterly exhausting.
mempkoover 1 year ago
Google Deep Mind just demonstrated that transformers don&#x27;t generalize well outside their training set.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2311.00871" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2311.00871</a><p>The question I have is, what if these agents are really good at doing things they learned about, but not in new things? How will that impact people&#x27;s actions?<p>Will we end up with a static world of people doing only things the AI can do? A kind of 1999 Matrix stasis world of &#x27;the best we can do now&#x27;?<p>What will happen to what Arthur Kessler called &#x27;blue&#x27; thoughts in such an AI world?<p>Because IMO, the purpose of computers is to make models and see what happens. Test ideas in a powerful way via computation. If the AI can ONLY select existing models and not make news ones, or even prevent you from making new ones, then I don&#x27;t see how these AI agents are anything but a step backwards.<p>Alan Kay gave a great talk called The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent it taht touches on some of these ideas.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Odmx-ScL-8o?si=PMhZyxTtNdwBumKj" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Odmx-ScL-8o?si=PMhZyxTtNdwBumKj</a>
virtualblueskyover 1 year ago
Is this motivated reasoning from the perspective of an OS vendor? It seems like intermediating the user&#x27;s intent using AI has the same hazards as intermediating the internet through a single search provider... i.e. it&#x27;ll happen, but will tend towards benefiting larger interests, leaving the experience a little less rich than before.
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catchnear4321over 1 year ago
monetization is of course not going to show up there.<p>will your agent be programmed to tell you about one fast food vendor over another? will that change over time? will you be told?<p>of course things look rosy up there in that ivory tower.<p>but how is the foundation going to hold up?
axpy906over 1 year ago
Not gonna click. Does it say anything about tagging and tracking people with AI?
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mnd999over 1 year ago
lol, no it’s not. Maybe one day, but not with the current tech.
seydorover 1 year ago
only if we go back to personal computers. i m not connecting my personal ai pod to the internet. updates will come from diskettes
sontendoover 1 year ago
The free cognitive evolution of your kids and grandkids is at stake here, but you are probably looking the wrong way.<p>Kansas City Shuffles inside Kansas City Shuffles. We refuse to deal with the truth.<p>We need to trust our kind or we will have to take down our past, the ways we lived and worked.<p>It&#x27;s a generational conflict inside each and every one of us.<p>You know how to code. Decode.
renewiltordover 1 year ago
I think I&#x27;m really going to enjoy this future. Modern LLMs are fantastic. I&#x27;ve fixed my Peloton that I was stuck on, diagnosed a small lesion, handled ancient proprietary systems. The future is going to be good.
jauntywundrkindover 1 year ago
Deeper interface to wade through, even more mysterious &amp; distancing, oh great.<p>What is changing about how we use computers that is genuinely getting us more in touch, more aware, more capable as computer users?
compacct27over 1 year ago
The writing is on the wall. It&#x27;s not right now, but it will be in my lifetime. What are some AI-proof(ish) industries we can jump into after software engineering is drastically reduced?
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k310over 1 year ago
What about when something new happens that&#x27;s not in the training set?<p>That&#x27;s called life.
ramesh31over 1 year ago
Every Bill Gates article reads as a ChatGPT generated fluff piece.<p>Coincidence...?
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gumbyover 1 year ago
This guy is such a linear thinker. Remember &quot;The Road Ahead&quot;? I don&#x27;t know why anyone bothers with his &quot;predictions&quot;
dborehamover 1 year ago
&lt;gets lollipop back out&gt;
vanilla_nutover 1 year ago
Enshittification has really ruined the promise of every new technology. Sure, I believe there&#x27;s _potential_ for something cool in AI. But all of that potential is overridden by the rent-seeking profit interests of companies that want to carve out a monopoly position in a space and extract the maximum value forever.<p>&gt; Imagine that you want to plan a trip. A travel bot will identify hotels that fit your budget. An agent will know what time of year you’ll be traveling and, based on its knowledge about whether you always try a new destination or like to return to the same place repeatedly, it will be able to suggest locations. When asked, it will recommend things to do based on your interests and propensity for adventure, and it will book reservations at the types of restaurants you would enjoy.<p>So sort of like AirBnB, but for the entire process of booking a vacation? Sounds neat at first, though I&#x27;m skeptical that an AI will ever match my ability to choose destinations, events, and travel plans that encompass all of my minute preferences (many of which have taken me years to discover about myself). I&#x27;m sure that this &quot;agent&quot; won&#x27;t start recommending shitty and overpriced vacations when it achieves critical market share and the time comes to turn the profit screws!<p>This gets much, much, much, much scarier in the next section:<p>&gt; The real shift will come when agents can help patients do basic triage, get advice about how to deal with health problems, and decide whether they need to seek treatment.<p>Just what I want: our private healthcare industry defining how I should seek medical attention using a faceless algorithm. Nurses and doctors, naturally, have empathy for other human beings and occasionally work in the grey boundaries of the system to help people. But that costs profit. Fortunately, the AI will optimize that empathy away!<p>&gt; AI agents that are well trained in mental health will make therapy much more affordable and easier to get.<p>Do mental health experts truly believe that an AI agent can replace an actual therapist? What a scary, dystopian world, where Bill Gates can afford daily therapy sessions with a human but the lowly Microsoft code monkeys will only be able to speak to a machine...<p>The rest of the post is an absolute horror show of the kind of out-of-touch nonsense I&#x27;ve come to expect from billionaires like Gates:<p>&gt; liberating teachers from paperwork and other tasks so they can spend more time on the most important parts of the job<p>Paperwork, sure. What are these &quot;other tasks&quot;, though? Lesson planning? I&#x27;m pretty sure optimizing away a small portion of busywork is not the most pressing issue in the teaching world. And naturally this task&#x27;s dark side is a massive yearly cost extracted from our school system, and oodles of collected personal data about every child, starting in pre-K. Think of the efficiency when we can start advertising to these kids based on what subjects they know best!<p>&gt; If a tutoring agent knows that a kid likes Minecraft and Taylor Swift, it will use Minecraft to teach them about calculating the volume and area of shapes, and Taylor’s lyrics to teach them about storytelling and rhyme schemes.<p>The next level of &quot;fellow kids&quot;.<p>&gt; If you have an idea for a business, an agent will help you write up a business plan, create a presentation for it, and even generate images of what your product might look like.<p>If AI can do all of that, what&#x27;s the human business owner even doing?<p>&gt; If your friend just had surgery, your agent will offer to send flowers and be able to order them for you.<p>Isn&#x27;t the whole point of that kind of statement that a human being thought of another human being and reached out? But I guess Gates just sees the opportunity to take a cut of flower orders. At least most of your friends won&#x27;t be able to afford surgery when their insurance AI agents use watch data to deny them healthcare.<p>&gt; Spotify has an AI-powered DJ that not only plays songs based on your preferences but talks to you and can even call you by name.<p>Wow, AI that _knows my name_? We&#x27;re really living in the future.<p>&gt; If you want to buy a camera, you’ll have your agent read all the reviews for you, summarize them, make a recommendation, and place an order for it once you’ve made a decision.<p>At what point does a human being manage to outsource <i>hobbies</i> to AI? Because if a friend came to me asking about cameras today, but didn&#x27;t want to do any of the research or learn anything about the space at all to inform a decision, I would simply respond &quot;don&#x27;t buy a camera, you won&#x27;t have any clue how to use it&quot;.<p>&gt; To create a new app or service, you won’t need to know how to write code or do graphic design. You’ll just tell your agent what you want.<p>Interesting. Didn&#x27;t Gates open this blog post claiming that we wouldn&#x27;t use apps at all any more? Why would I use an AI agent to create an app in a post-app world?<p>&gt; Although some agents will be free to use (and supported by ads), I think you’ll pay for most of them, which means companies will have an incentive to make agents work on your behalf and not an advertiser’s.<p>If there&#x27;s one thing smart TVs, Spotify, iOS, macOS, Android, and Windows have taught me, it&#x27;s that paying does not matter. If a company can make more money by collecting data and inserting ads, they will. You&#x27;d think Gates would know that when Windows literally advertises right on the desktop.<p>&gt; Businesses that are separate today—search advertising, social networking with advertising, shopping, productivity software—will become one business.<p>Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now we&#x27;ve come to Gates&#x27; main point: he apparently wants to live in communist china, where a single entity owns literally everything. At the rate of monopolisation we&#x27;ve seen in the USA, at least I can believe this prediction.
TekMolover 1 year ago
This is the Bill Gates who in May 2018 proclaimed that he would short Bitcoin if he could:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;07&#x2F;bill-gates-i-would-short-bitcoin-if-i-could.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;07&#x2F;bill-gates-i-would-short-bit...</a><p>Bitcoin has quadrupled since then.<p>One might want to take this into account when evaluating his ability to predict the future.
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